Darin Chappell
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In the big picture, it's not a big deal at all. I wasn't cheated, and there was no harm done to me in any way. That's why this is an "INFO" post instead of a "BAD GUY" thread.
Here's what went down today on the Classifieds section of this site in the portion dedicated to cornsnakes:
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I have one Oketee Corn for sale make and offer. It is WC and Feeding. About two Feet long. I have not sexed him yet, but I can if need be.
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You do know it's illegal to keep cornsnakes captive in GA, right? Even moreso to sell WC ones on the internet, one would imagine. Responsible herpers know the laws before they try to make a quick buck, as a buyer or a seller, friend.
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Thank You for your concern, but I do know that and I have all of the necessary permits required by DNR to possess sell and collect all non-venomous reptiles that are indigenous to the state of Georgia.
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Oh yeah and you are not my friend and I am not trying to make a quick buck because I don't need a quick buck
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Chris,
I just spoke with a Mr. Scott Frazier of the Georgia DNR (you can reach him at 770-761-3044, if you'd like to verify the following facts), and he said that there is NO permit that one can obtain to do what you say you have done. There is a special permit for ownership of cornsnakes in Georgia as part of an approved educational display, but there is no permit available for capturing corns in the wild for ownership ... certainly not for selling them on the internet. You could also check out this link, if you don't believe me.
So, it would appear that you are not only a poacher, but likely a liar to boot! You're right, you're no friend of mine.
Do yourself (and all of us) a favor. Stop advertising illegally captured corns for all the world to see, and set the one you have free again. All you're doing is making it harder on those of us who actually follow the rules. It's people like you that cause State laws to be enacted in more and more restrictive manners, making it ever more difficult to continue in this great hobby.
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The snake was not taken out of the wild in Georgia it was taken on Oketee farms in South Carolina where there are no retrictions on the collection of reptiles. Therefore, my selling it out of Georgia is perfectly legal because it would fall under the terms of the special permit for keeping breeding and selling reptiles indigenious to the state of Georgia. Also the permit for educational purposes is the same permit for keeping corns and other snakes protected under the wild animal act. The permit Quotes:
Wild animal licenses will be issued only to persons engaged in the wholesale or retail wild animal business or persons exhibiting wild animals to the public.
You are right I can not collect a protected animal from the wild in Georgia and sell it, however I can collect them for breeding and display purposes. If the animal was taken out of state and I have the permit to possess it in Gergia than it is the same thing as if I took my permit to a retail business out of state and purchased the reptile and then brougt it home( i.e. A Reptile show say in Florida.)
I am not trying to fight you on this however if you don't know me and don't know what I do and do not have in regards to legality then just mind your on business. Everything I do is perfectly legal and I am sure of this because my company assists the GADNR in wetland conservation and other tasks that are being conducted in various WMA throughout the S.E.
If you are going to keep this up I am just going to remove the post and report you to a moderator. This is harrassment and you need to just mind your own business. It is a for sale add not put your uneducated two cents in ad.
And also the officials at DNR in Atlanta have no idea what the hell is going on as far as their permit requirements go. When applying to get mine, I got 5 different answers to every question that was brought to the table. And your little link has no information regarding a special wild animal permit which is what is required in order to deal with reptiles and you won't find in on the internet you have to call and request it, so call and get yourself one and read up before you open your mouth again.
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Care to scan your permit and post a copy of it here? That would be the only way that you could show that you were actually on the up and up on this deal.
If I am in the wrong on this, I will publically, and I mean on the BOI where EVERYONE will see it, apologize for my error and promote your ad as one worth following up on. If not ... well there's no reason to go there, I guess.
IF you have a permit that allows you to keep cornsnakes for sale in Georgia, you are THE ONLY person I know who has such a capacity. I know people in the State who are trying to do what they can to establish the legal trade of corns in the State, but they have had absolutley no luck as of yet. That combined with the statement from the DNR representative to whom I spoke, makes me believe that you are probably not telling the truth, but hey ... I can be wrong as easily as the next guy.
The reason I suspected you to have caught the corn in Georgia, is because you said you had the necessary permits to collect snakes indigenous to Georgia. What permits are those? What permit does Georgia issue that allows you to collect corns in another State? I'm sorry, but that just doesn't make any sense at all.
One other thing, you said that it was taken from "Oketee farms" in South Carolina. I am unaware of that location. Could you tell us all where that is, exactly? I mean, what county it is in? I know of the Okeetee Hunt Club, but it is illegal to collect corns there, because there is no trespassing allowed for herping of any kind.
You say it is none of my business? True, in the sense that you are not trying to harm me directly. However, because I suspect that you are not what you say you are, and that you are instead trying to sell a cornsnake on the internet that you have no legal right to represent as you are, I believe it is the business of all good herpers to try to stop such behavior.
But, by all means, please prove me wrong!
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If you have the permit to posses it than you can collect it. The species is not protected from collection in any state just possession unless you have the correct permits. Also Oketee Hunt Club or Oketee farms is a privatly owned sector of land in Jasper County SC, and it is illegal to trespass, however there are two county roads that bisect the property that are famous spots to road cruise. Anything cought on the road was not taken off of the Club itself therefore it is legal and there are no trespassing laws that are broken.
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Originally posted by cbmoran
I do know that and I have all of the necessary permits required by DNR to possess sell and collect all non-venomous reptiles that are indigenous to the state of Georgia.
Let's see those permits then.
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I wouldn't have really bothered with all of this, but this guy is obviously NOT what he claims to be. His profile lists him as being 22 going on 23, but his company (as though he owns it???) is supposed to be this big partner with GADNR in wetland/wildlife management? And the DNR personnel are the ones that are confused and HE'S not lying???
He said he would delete the ad, if the questions persisted. I guess when Dan asked him again about the permits, that was the last straw. Uh, Chris ... when you intend to delete a thread so that the evidence is no longer available for the herp world to see ... it's best not to tell everyone that this is your intention. Otherwise, someone might take the time to cut and paste what you wrote!
You all can make up your own minds about this guy. He is what he is. I just don't like underhanded stuff or the people that behave in that way.
Here's what went down today on the Classifieds section of this site in the portion dedicated to cornsnakes:
"cbmoran
Chris Moran
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Oketee Corn
I have one Oketee Corn for sale make and offer. It is WC and Feeding. About two Feet long. I have not sexed him yet, but I can if need be.
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You do know it's illegal to keep cornsnakes captive in GA, right? Even moreso to sell WC ones on the internet, one would imagine. Responsible herpers know the laws before they try to make a quick buck, as a buyer or a seller, friend.
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Thank You for your concern, but I do know that and I have all of the necessary permits required by DNR to possess sell and collect all non-venomous reptiles that are indigenous to the state of Georgia.
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Oh yeah and you are not my friend and I am not trying to make a quick buck because I don't need a quick buck
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Chris,
I just spoke with a Mr. Scott Frazier of the Georgia DNR (you can reach him at 770-761-3044, if you'd like to verify the following facts), and he said that there is NO permit that one can obtain to do what you say you have done. There is a special permit for ownership of cornsnakes in Georgia as part of an approved educational display, but there is no permit available for capturing corns in the wild for ownership ... certainly not for selling them on the internet. You could also check out this link, if you don't believe me.
So, it would appear that you are not only a poacher, but likely a liar to boot! You're right, you're no friend of mine.
Do yourself (and all of us) a favor. Stop advertising illegally captured corns for all the world to see, and set the one you have free again. All you're doing is making it harder on those of us who actually follow the rules. It's people like you that cause State laws to be enacted in more and more restrictive manners, making it ever more difficult to continue in this great hobby.
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The snake was not taken out of the wild in Georgia it was taken on Oketee farms in South Carolina where there are no retrictions on the collection of reptiles. Therefore, my selling it out of Georgia is perfectly legal because it would fall under the terms of the special permit for keeping breeding and selling reptiles indigenious to the state of Georgia. Also the permit for educational purposes is the same permit for keeping corns and other snakes protected under the wild animal act. The permit Quotes:
Wild animal licenses will be issued only to persons engaged in the wholesale or retail wild animal business or persons exhibiting wild animals to the public.
You are right I can not collect a protected animal from the wild in Georgia and sell it, however I can collect them for breeding and display purposes. If the animal was taken out of state and I have the permit to possess it in Gergia than it is the same thing as if I took my permit to a retail business out of state and purchased the reptile and then brougt it home( i.e. A Reptile show say in Florida.)
I am not trying to fight you on this however if you don't know me and don't know what I do and do not have in regards to legality then just mind your on business. Everything I do is perfectly legal and I am sure of this because my company assists the GADNR in wetland conservation and other tasks that are being conducted in various WMA throughout the S.E.
If you are going to keep this up I am just going to remove the post and report you to a moderator. This is harrassment and you need to just mind your own business. It is a for sale add not put your uneducated two cents in ad.
And also the officials at DNR in Atlanta have no idea what the hell is going on as far as their permit requirements go. When applying to get mine, I got 5 different answers to every question that was brought to the table. And your little link has no information regarding a special wild animal permit which is what is required in order to deal with reptiles and you won't find in on the internet you have to call and request it, so call and get yourself one and read up before you open your mouth again.
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Care to scan your permit and post a copy of it here? That would be the only way that you could show that you were actually on the up and up on this deal.
If I am in the wrong on this, I will publically, and I mean on the BOI where EVERYONE will see it, apologize for my error and promote your ad as one worth following up on. If not ... well there's no reason to go there, I guess.
IF you have a permit that allows you to keep cornsnakes for sale in Georgia, you are THE ONLY person I know who has such a capacity. I know people in the State who are trying to do what they can to establish the legal trade of corns in the State, but they have had absolutley no luck as of yet. That combined with the statement from the DNR representative to whom I spoke, makes me believe that you are probably not telling the truth, but hey ... I can be wrong as easily as the next guy.
The reason I suspected you to have caught the corn in Georgia, is because you said you had the necessary permits to collect snakes indigenous to Georgia. What permits are those? What permit does Georgia issue that allows you to collect corns in another State? I'm sorry, but that just doesn't make any sense at all.
One other thing, you said that it was taken from "Oketee farms" in South Carolina. I am unaware of that location. Could you tell us all where that is, exactly? I mean, what county it is in? I know of the Okeetee Hunt Club, but it is illegal to collect corns there, because there is no trespassing allowed for herping of any kind.
You say it is none of my business? True, in the sense that you are not trying to harm me directly. However, because I suspect that you are not what you say you are, and that you are instead trying to sell a cornsnake on the internet that you have no legal right to represent as you are, I believe it is the business of all good herpers to try to stop such behavior.
But, by all means, please prove me wrong!
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If you have the permit to posses it than you can collect it. The species is not protected from collection in any state just possession unless you have the correct permits. Also Oketee Hunt Club or Oketee farms is a privatly owned sector of land in Jasper County SC, and it is illegal to trespass, however there are two county roads that bisect the property that are famous spots to road cruise. Anything cought on the road was not taken off of the Club itself therefore it is legal and there are no trespassing laws that are broken.
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Originally posted by cbmoran
I do know that and I have all of the necessary permits required by DNR to possess sell and collect all non-venomous reptiles that are indigenous to the state of Georgia.
Let's see those permits then.
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I wouldn't have really bothered with all of this, but this guy is obviously NOT what he claims to be. His profile lists him as being 22 going on 23, but his company (as though he owns it???) is supposed to be this big partner with GADNR in wetland/wildlife management? And the DNR personnel are the ones that are confused and HE'S not lying???
He said he would delete the ad, if the questions persisted. I guess when Dan asked him again about the permits, that was the last straw. Uh, Chris ... when you intend to delete a thread so that the evidence is no longer available for the herp world to see ... it's best not to tell everyone that this is your intention. Otherwise, someone might take the time to cut and paste what you wrote!
You all can make up your own minds about this guy. He is what he is. I just don't like underhanded stuff or the people that behave in that way.
