Chuck Tornetta - Big trade deal gone south

[Gilbert Thompson]

I feel responsible for this whole thing!!
I was fortunate enough to have a little extra money to spend and inquired about adding the Snow into my collection. I think it is the nicest to date (good job Chuck)! The Blizzard thing threw me off a little so I called Jeremy Stone about the animal for his opinions. Jeremy told me it was a high white Snow and a nice animal. However, he also said he never tried to buy it and never referred to it as a Blizzard or possible Blizzard at all. His exact words were that is was bs and he was going to email Dallas. Now don't get me wrong I am not saying that Chuck ever said it was a possible Blizzard. So I want to get it straight that I am not calling anyone a liar here.
I think Chuck and Jeremy produce some awesome animals and Dallas was a pleasure to talk too.
Anyways, when this was emailed to Dallas he became quit upset. I think from Dallas's stand point he is saying that the Snow was sold as a possible Bliazzard (for lack of a better word)! Mind you I think Dallas got a hell of a trade in his benefit. I just think his major hang up was it was suppose to be a possible Blizzard.
I may still buy the animal from Dallas. However, I must admit some things on here have already kinda freaked me out.
I truly wish I had never did some research on the animal. Then maybe this would not be happening.
Sincerly,
Gilbert Thompson

 

[dqreps]

FINALLY!!!

Thank you Gilbert, at least SOMEONE knows a little bit about what happened besides me and Chuck. You have people like Ritchie who just want to be right out EVIL and make me the bad guy, like i did something wrong. I was told it was a possible blizzard boa as it says in the deal page Chuck made up. They cant seem to understand why him telling me that, lying, would upset me. I am sorry, i dont BS any of my customers. I am straight up and if i am not sure about something, i am honest, i tell them.

Ritchie, i did not ready anything you wrote except something about how i had not replied etc. Well, unlike yourself, i have a life. I am not on the computer all day long. I am busy working, taking care of my animals etc. Must be nice. Anyway, i caught something about how the adds i posted for the coral and normal and the snow. WELL, that was after i heard for sure the truth. NEVER did i say that normal female was coral, did i? Read it! I never lied or misrepresented the albino female. I said she may or may not be a coral. Hey Ritchie, at least was honest. Then i had a few emails telling the she was not a coral. Anyway, whatever on the coral ok. If you dont believe me, that is fine, i dont want to argue with you, you dont stop and bring everything else into this except the kitchen sink. And on the snow add, i DID put that it was said to be a possible BLIZZARD. I JUST found out that Chuck lied to me and this is not the case. I THOUGHT i deleted those adds but i guess i did not, i will take care of it right away. I will make the necassary changes so people like you dont have to point it out. Actually, it should not matter, you said it is ok that Chuck lied about the poss blizzard thing, right? SO, Chuck did lie to me about the poss blizzard and i DO have a right to be upset about it ok. Just stop and get off my back. I told you i was not posting anymore but i had to since Gilbert was kind enough to straighten you out. This is why i wont reply to your idiotic posts. Unless you or someone else actually has something valid or intellegent to so, that is different. Otherwise dont expect a reply and dont complain about it when i dont, i dont have all the time on my hands that you do anyway.

Also Ritchie, on the pastel i posted, SURE he was nice. BUT Chuck informed me that he was SUPER light. DID I EVER SAY THAT IN THE ADD? NOPE! So buzz off ok, lol. You make no sense at all. Also, on the poss DH for snows, Chuck charged me $500 in trade. Are you saying $400 that i am charging is too much? Well, it is not and guess what Ritchie? It does not matter what you think, i will charge what i want for my animals right? I am going by what you and others said earlier. As you all stated, chuck can sell his animals for whatever he wants. So can I! Dont question what i charge for my animals, that is my biz, as you so adimently stated.

Gilbert, if you have been on here before. Well then, you know that these guys are like vultures that would just as well eat an innocent man alive as dead. When someone tries to help someone out around here, he is shunned. I never said i did not get a good deal. But not the deal i was told i was getting, that is all. Otherwise i would do something about it, i am not. I dont want to slam Chuck, i am not gonna mention another word about him, you guys can just go on and on and have your fun, it is what you are good at. Also, i have been adult enough to not do any name calling etc this time around, which i admit, it is easy to lose my temper. Like when Ritchie called me an idiot for no reason at all. Well, i am trying not to be childish like that.

Thanks,
Dallas Quarles Reptiles

 

[dqreps]

Also...

To all that say you cannot always tell if a coral is a coral until it colors up for 3-4 months. Well, this female is 4 months old and showed no coloring up at all. But if you what you say is true, and i am not disagreeing, how in the hell CAN CHUCK SELL A NORMAL LOOKING ALBINO AS A CORAL IF HE HAS NOT YET PROVEN IT TO BE A CORAL? If you guys are all right, you too Ritchie, then how can you sell a coral as a coral before it even shows coral traits. Chuck bred a coral to a normal looking albino and said like 24 were coral and the other 13 or whatever were normal. So, if this and many other corals, looked normal, how would Chuck know the difference and be justified putting a coral label on it until he knows for sure? I would like to see your arguement on this as there is none. Facts are Facts, It is what it is.

Also, i read a bit of your post below Chuck. I kept them because Chuck Blocked my email after i informed him that i knew he misrepresented and lied about these animals as far as the coral goes, the BS that he said Jeremy Stone said this animal was a posisble Blizzard etc. So my Friend, i tried, to no avail. Now, i could care less, it is over. Anyway, i just happened to bump into that when i was scrolling down but i am not even gonna bother reading any of this thread or any other thread on the BOI, EVER. It is worthless, no way of getting to the truth with so many haters. Take care, PEACE.

Dallas Quarles Reptiles

 

[Gilbert Thompson]

Hey Dallas,
I don't think anyone here is against you. I just think in the begining when you lost your cool that caused yourself to be open to a lot of negative stuff.
I am speaking from my own personal experience on here. If you loose your cool and make yourself look childish. You are in for a beating!! I learned this the hard way but it did help me out in a lot of ways. To be quite honest it was very embarrassing.
Anyways, I think your replies from people would have been a little different had you presented it in another way. Just think about it!! I have spoken to you in detail and they have not. Therefore, I know how to take you and not be offended.
JMHO!!!
Gilbert Thompson

 

[Darin Chappell]

Dallas,

You wrote, "i dont have all the time on my hands that you do anyway."

Then why bring your case here to begin with? If you don't have time for YOUR problem, why should anyone else?

You got to throw your little temper tantrum. Chuck said what he wanted. Gilbert gave you a small crack to slide under the door of the cell you created for yourself. How? You created it by using the very same phrases used by Chuck in your ads trying to resell the same animals you said were misrepresented to you. Well, Sir, if they were misrepresentative when you got them, they were equally misrepresentative when you tried to pass them on to someone else!

You have no case. It's over. Buh-bye!

 

[dqreps]

I know i said i would not post again, so sorry, i hate to dissapoint anyone. Gilbert, i wont argue with you. I guess you are right, i can lose my cool very easily and come of the wrong way. I guess in light of what happened to me, i just felt justified. I felt wronged, betrayed, and i was angry. Maybe i should have taken a lighter approach to it all. That just not change the fact that i was wronged.

Ritchie, Classice Dums, Darin, i still dont know why you guys hate me so much? I mean, just because you disagree with me, does not mean you have to beat me into the ground. Yes, i am not always right, yes, i make mistakes, yes i get upset easil. BUT in this case, i thought i remained very calm through all yoru attacks. Not once did i call names as was done to me, that was very rude. I dont believe i insulted anyone in any way. At least not in the way i have been. I except opinions but not rude statements that are totally uncalled for. Maybe i did not lay it all out right from the beginning. I get upset and maybe it is easy to take me wrong, as i said. But never was i offensive to anyone that was not too me. Nor was i anyone anyway. The only one i ever put down was Chuck, because i dont appreciate being betrayed.

Anyway, i know the bashing on me will continue, that is fine. I knew i had it coming when i posted on here. You know, one of those things you know is inevitable but i stupidly did it anyway. I wont post anything that happens to me on this board anymore. I think i just clash with certain people because we got off on a bad foot a while back. I wish we could just all move on, but i do think it is too much to ask. This has all gone a little to far. PEACE.

Thanks,
Dallas Quarles

 

[Darin Chappell]

Dallas,

I have disagreed with you, but I think I have been more than civil in my demeanor. If not, I would suggest that either you read something into what I wrote, or I have simply not expressed myself well. I do not hate you. I do not know you. I do think you are completely wrong on this deal, and I dislike the hit and run technique of posting you have here employed.

However, hatred is only something you are reading into my posts. I don't have that level of emotion toward anyone on this board.

 

[NEWReptiles]

and the female was born in 8/03.

Your ad Dallas

Well, this female is 4 months old

Your words again.

I was the first to reply to your worthless thread, and now I will post my last response.

Your a liar!!!!
(I would post better names, but I dont want to waste others time warning me for name calling)

Again, I have no interest in this deal whatsoever, and I will not be doing any deals with either party involved.

 

[dqreps]

You got to throw your little temper tantrum. Chuck said what he wanted. Gilbert gave you a small crack to slide under the door of the cell you created for yourself. How? You created it by using the very same phrases used by Chuck in your ads trying to resell the same animals you said were misrepresented to you. Well, Sir, if they were misrepresentative when you got them, they were equally misrepresentative when you tried to pass them on to someone else
You have no case. It's over. Buh-bye!

YES, i do have a case my friend. You are wrong about me and my postings. I NEVER said the female was coral, i said she did not look it to me and that is why i was not charging a high price, because she did look like a coral, which was later verified by several people. Same with the snow, i took Chucks word for it. He said he was a possible Blizzard, well, that is what i put. Then i found out he was lying, now it is deleted. I did none of this intentionally. With the snow i put faith in Chuck, believing Jeremy Stone told him it was a possible Blizzard, then i learned better. With the albinos, i let the buy make up their mind and price them accordingly for that. When selling my animals i am a more than fair biz man. I dont see any posts on the BOI about me, saying someone is dissatisfied with the animals they recieved from me. i have never had one complain about my animals, that is why. NOT ONE! What is this say, i have integrity, am honest and i do what is right and my customers would vouch for this.
Thanks,
Dallas Quarles

 

[dqreps]

poor soul...

Your ad Dallas
Your words again.
was the first to reply to your worthless thread, and now I will post my last response.
Your a liar!!!!
(I would post better names, but I dont want to waste others time warning me for name calling)
Again, I have no interest in this deal whatsoever, and I will not be doing any deals with either party involved.

Sorry buddy, that was a typo, get a life. The male was born 8/03 NOT the female. The female was born 5/03 so get a grip. If i made a typo and put it wrong, I SO SORRY. JEEZ, get off my back. See, you just prove everying i have been saying. You are SO vicous. You have nothing better to do than take out your anger on me. If you want to ridicule me for a mistake in typing, you must be very very lonely and insecure. And oh, if you want proof, as Chuck and look at the deal page.

Dallas Quarles

 

[Darin Chappell]

Dallas,

Now you know you did say that female was a coral albino, at least once; you did. I quote:

"1.1 2003 unrelated coral albino pair!
MAINE
Posted by Dallas Quarles Reptiles (Contact Me!) on September 09, 2003 at 22:45:28
Registered PetHobbyist User since 2002-09-10"

Dallas, how do you get a 1.1 albino coral pair without both the male and female being albino corals??? Oh, I know you did your little song and dance about how you weren't certain the animal was a coral, but you went on to say that it could be, and if it was, the purchaser would be raking in the profits from such a good deal. Please, Dallas, don't say you never called that female a coral albino anymore. The proof that you did is permenantly in bold above.

Now, either you knew that animal was a coral, you knew it was not, or you weren't sure. You are saying here that there is no way it is a coral. If you are telling the truth here, then the ad is a lie, because you say it possibly is a coral in the ad. If you are not sure what the animal is, then your case here about Chuck lying to you is completely blown, because it could be a coral and you just didn't know what you had!

You're just wrong, Dallas. I'm sorry that sticks in your craw, but it's still true.

 

[dqreps]

wrong again....

Dallas,

Now you know you did say that female was a coral albino, at least once; you did. I quote:

"1.1 2003 unrelated coral albino pair!
MAINE
Posted by Dallas Quarles Reptiles (Contact Me!) on September 09, 2003 at 22:45:28
Registered PetHobbyist User since 2002-09-10"

Dallas, how do you get a 1.1 albino coral pair without both the male and female being albino corals??? Oh, I know you did your little song and dance about how you weren't certain the animal was a coral, but you went on to say that it could be, and if it was, the purchaser would be raking in the profits from such a good deal. Please, Dallas, don't say you never called that female a coral albino anymore. The proof that you did is permenantly in bold above.

Now, either you knew that animal was a coral, you knew it was not, or you weren't sure. You are saying here that there is no way it is a coral. If you are telling the truth here, then the ad is a lie, because you say it possibly is a coral in the ad. If you are not sure what the animal is, then your case here about Chuck lying to you is completely blown, because it could be a coral and you just didn't know what you had!

You're just wrong, Dallas. I'm sorry that sticks in your craw, but it's still true.

I NEVER in the add, said the female was a coral. I said it may or may not be. So it does not matter what the header says. I made it clear in the add. I once saw a bit back where a guy had in the header, "sharp strain albino pair". Well, one was a SS albino and the other was just a het. Was he lying? No. As with mine, one was a coral and one was a albino and i made it clear in the add that i was not saying the female a coral, you know that darin. So the header does not matter, get over it. I had 1.1 albinos as the add stated, one being a coral. You are wrong.

Also, i was not SURE the female was not a coral until i placed the add and got a emails stating what the "experts" in the area of corals thought. The verdict was. The female is a NORMAL. Anyway, i recieved this info after i made the post and as i stated in the add, i never said she WAS a coral. At the time, i put what i thought, she may nor my not be. I was not 100% sure, i admit that, and that is what i put.

I really dont want to continue this with ANY of you guys. Cant you move on to another boring thread. It is just hard when i see misinformation put out. I feel the need to act on it but i think i am better off ignoring this thread all together. Curiosity killed the cat you know. I think i will give it a try. Later...

Dallas Quarles

 

[WebSlave]

Quote by Dallas Quarles

... i am not even gonna bother reading any of this thread or any other thread on the BOI, EVER. It is worthless, no way of getting to the truth with so many haters.

I keep seeing you say that, yet you keep coming back.

Yeah the BOI is always worthless to people when things don't go the way they wanted them to, isn't it?

If you feel that this site is worthless, then just get out and stay out. What's so tough to figure out about that?

 

[dqreps]

Webslave?

Quote by Dallas Quarles
I keep seeing you say that, yet you keep coming back.
Yeah the BOI is always worthless to people when things don't go the way they wanted them to, isn't it?
If you feel that this site is worthless, then just get out and stay out. What's so tough to figure out about that?

WHY? Because people are lying or making false accusations about me, i feel the need to defend my honor, THATS WHY? Thanks for the advice but no thanks, i will make my own decisions. Beleive me, i DONT want to come on here but like i said above, i cant just let someones lying BS pass. Dont worry webslave, i think this site is a joke because NO ONE here is interested in helping an individual out. They are only interested in antagonizing for a good laugh. That is it. They have no actual helpful input. But i guess it is just easy to have a blast going off on someone over a computer for no reason at all.

Dallas Quarles

 

[evansnakes]

Before I say anything let me be as clear as possible to avoid problems. I am not addressing any party in this thread and do not know anything about this deal. I simply want to state an observation that I have made.

I have had a bunch of albino boas the past few years. I have also seen many many more. Like any other animal, wouldn't it stand to reason that the quality of the color of an albino would vary if the "natural" or "wild" form of the animal varied quite a bit? That makes sense right? We have all seem dramatically different color results from the same albino gene in corns, kings, gophers, pythons and yes, in Colombian boas. It would stand to reason that if you worked at breeding darker animals with less pattern into your albinos you would start getting much brighter coloration. More black translates to more orange and pink in boas.

So here is my point. I have had and seen some of the hottest colored albinos. Some were labeled corals and some were not. The "coral" is not a different albino gene as the Sharp strain is to the Kahl strain. Rather it is just a better looking albino from more carefully bred normal stock being introduced. It is a marketing term. Just like a "high contrast albino ball python". Every breeder that I have seen has had baby corals that were colored up as babies. Albinos boas tend to get worse color as they grow (in most cases) and not better. A bright orange or pink baby will almost always turn out as a faded yellow adult due to the color change that boas naturally go through as they age. Even snows are much prettier as babies. Sunglows might be the exception to this.

If one animal was a screaming coral albino as a baby, and the other was rather drab and could be confused as a standard Kahl albino, why would anyone think that the female was more valuable than the male or that it would eventually be better colored? Regardless of that even, male albino boas have always gone for an equal or higher price than females. Why was the female more? Why would a better colored male be worth less? Most people would pay more for a hot colored baby male than for a well started average female.

 

[dqreps]

Pic of male coral...

Anyone please feel free to go to my picturetrail site and check out the male coral i sold along with the female. I only have a pic of the male on the site because he is very nice. If need be, i may be able to dig up pics of the normal female for comparison. The male is very nice and bright orange while the female is dull and very light, no coral color at all. No hints of being a future coral as some of you say. SO, there is no way it could be labeled as coral. And Even made a good point. Why was a lesser animal that looked normal, not coral priced higher. I payed 2k for this male coral in trade, i payed $2500 for the female coral in trade and Chuck said this was because the female was incredible and also because she is older. Only three months older, we are not talking a year here folks. Wether it was to be a future coral, when it colors up "months" down the road, which it had not colored up to date and was about 4 months old, there is not way it should be sold as a coral until the seller is absolutely 100% sure it is a coral. You cant put a price tan on something unless the genetics prove true or are obvious. That is like saying a boa MAY be het for albino. Well, i dont want to pay the price for a het animal unless it is genetically proven to be het. An animal is what it is, price it as such. Just had to add this for a clearer understanding. I am going to bed now. Good night.

Thanks,
Dallas Quarles

 

[dqreps]

Shoot!

Here is my gallery addy, check out the pic of the coral.

http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=1923393&uid=1029108&members=1

Once you see him, imagine the completely normal, dull looking female that came with him and imagine my dismay.

Thanks,
Dallas Quarles

GOODNIGHT!

 

[HerpVenue]

I NEVER in the add, said the female was a coral. I said it may or may not be. So it does not matter what the header says. I made it clear in the add.

maybe we should take a look at the ad.

1.1 2003 unrelated coral albino pair!
MAINE
Posted by Dallas Quarles Reptiles (Contact Me!) on September 09, 2003 at 22:45:28
Registered PetHobbyist User since 2002-09-10



I recently did a huge trade deal that enabled me to acquire some animals that i need to part with to recoop some cash. I had a deal with a potential buyer but he failed to come up with the funds so they are up for sale. This is an unrelated pair of coral albinos that are very nice. The male especially is exceptional, SUPER color. The male was born in 5/03 and the female was born in 8/03. They are both doing very well and growing quickly. I cannot gurantee the female is a coral, however, the male is a coral and a grade A one at that. The female was sold to me as a coral buy Chuck for $2500 but the pic he sent me of a female was not the one i got in the mail and does not look as "coralish" as the one in the pic he sent me as an example. Well, if they are borderline coral/normal albino sometimes it is hard to tell if they are coral until they get older and "Coral Up" a bit. Either way, you are getting a heck of a deal because if this females ends up to be a true coral, you are getting way more than your money's worth. If not, you are still getting a great deal price wise. I am selling the pair for $3000 plus shipping to your door or by way of US Airways same day delivery to your nearest airport. I except cashiers checks only at this time. Buyer must send the cashiers check out express mail, which gurantees next day delivery. Live arrival is guranteed and so is the health of these animals. To see pics, click on my picture trail site below and email me with any questions you may have.

Thanks,
Dallas Quarles Reptiles

Home - 207-947-9233
Cell- 207-299-5303

You clearly said it was a coral pair. You also NEVER said she was normal. All you did in the ad was to insinuate that she LOOKS normal but will PROBABLY turn out to be coral. Read the ad. You are suggesting to the buyer that she will probably turn coral.

Also, i was not SURE the female was not a coral until i placed the add and got a emails stating what the "experts" in the area of corals thought. The verdict was. The female is a NORMAL.

Like I said before. These same experts all wrote an e-mail to me. They told me they loved me. They told me I was a god. They said they wanted to "party" with me. But guess what? I can't post the e-mails........then it never happened. You can tell us the President told you it was normal.....it would not matter. You refuse or can't post the e-mails......so Drop it or post it.

as i stated in the add, i never said she WAS a coral. At the time, i put what i thought, she may nor my not be. I was not 100% sure, i admit that, and that is what i put.

As aforementioned. The only thing you hinted in your ad is that she looks normal and will possibly turn. You never hinted that there is a good chance she won't turn.

Anyone please feel free to go to my picturetrail site and check out the male coral i sold along with the female. I only have a pic of the male on the site because he is very nice. If need be, i may be able to dig up pics of the normal female for comparison.

Hello STUPID. I was not born yesterday

 

[Rob @ RK Reptiles]

I will say it was nice of Gilbert to come on here and post saying what he said but the fact remains the same. It is hearsay on his part and your part. The supposed people that have made these comments have not proven they said them and until they do it will still just be hearsay being spread by you.
Also it is funny how the born dates on the albinos was a typo when it was found out by others. But when you placed the ad you did not change it to be correct. So in actuality you misrepresented those animals yourself. I wonder if you told the customer that supposedly purchased them it was a typo. Of course your going to get on here now and say you did.
Also your picture on the male is an enhanced photo. why do I say this....because even the newspaper has a red tint to it unlike any of the other pictures. Almost as if you were trying to make a drastic difference between him and any others. Kinf os suspicious that you have pictures of every other animal but her on your picturetrail.
Also you stated

I paid 2k for this male coral in trade, I paid $2500 for the female coral in trade and Chuck said this was because the female was incredible and also because she is older.

well in actuality you did not "pay" anything near those prices in trade. You paid $7500 for everything and nothing more. You did receive more than $7500 value in animals traded to you. If you were not happy with the animals when you received them (which is obvious that you were happy with them) you should have cancelled the trade. But you were very happy that your greed was getting more money than you were asking for. Now if what Chuck is saying about the female having URI and not feeding would be another reason why you would not trade back and cancel the deal.
You really should stop, take a deep breath, and look at what your doing to yourself here and your business. You are making yourself look worse and worse with every post. AS Richie has pointed out you are continually being shown to be lying. You may not think you were saying she was a coral albino but it is clear in the writing that you were calling her a coral albino.

 

[kim felts]

Beleive me, i DONT want to come on here but like i said above, i cant just let someones lying BS pass.
quote by dallas

oh yes you can dallas..you can do anything you want to do..
havent you learned that it doesnt work to deflect responsibility in this way?

I NEVER in the add, said the female was a coral. I said it may or may not be. So it does not matter what the header says
here we go again..another dallas quote..it only matters what the other guy says..not what he says.

See, you just prove everying i have been saying. You are SO vicous. You have nothing better to do than take out your anger on me
dallas quote..here its poor pitiful me..the victum.
oh yea he started the thread..my bad..

I really dont want to continue this with ANY of you guys. Cant you move on to another boring thread. It is just hard when i see misinformation put out. I feel the need to act on it but i think i am better off ignoring this thread all together. another dallas quote.

seem he hasent learned much has he? he needed to act on it although he knew better..isent that how this problem got started in the first place?? duh.....but im sure its not his fault..right?
chuck made him do it..

DALLAS..although i dont agree with the scam artist label put on chuck ..regardless..when are you going to learn something???
you keep making the same mistakes over and over and over and over and over..and then have the nerve to blame everyone and anyone else that you can..buddy..wake up and smell the coffee ok??? this is a major duh on your part.

nobody is making you do ANYTHING here and they cannot.
its you volunteering to do it yourself..
take some responsibility for your actions will you? until that happens this thread is truely useless..stop pointing out that you think chuck does it when you are doing it page after page after page over and over..and yes i get the point..trust me..