Back in Mar/Apr I sent 2 HUGE 3000+ gram normal females to someone (Chuck Cardell, Cider Reptiles and Rodents, Inc) on a breeder loan. I delivered them and saw them weighed at 3000+ (maxed out digital scale). A couple of weeks ago I got them back and he said they didnt take with the males. I do not have a digital scale. I sold one female to someone (very cheaply). They are saying that the snake weighs under 2200 grams. How could these females lose so much weight when they didnt breed?? The individual who was breeding them would not give them back and then all of the sudden he said they are eating me out of house and home come and get them. I personally think the scumbag bred them and is keeping the offspring. What do you guys think??
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Bad Guy Cider Reptiles and Rodents - Need Input please
- Thread starter camden09
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Rainbowboaman
I smell a Rat!
Your post is very confusing. Can you clear this up by answering the following?
1) Did you deliver them or ship them as you make it sound like both?
2) Is someone Chuck Cantell or someone that worked for him/them?
3) Who is saying they are under 2200 grams?
4) How well did you know this person to do a breeding loan?
5) Did you not notice the snake lost 1/3 of it's body weight when you picked them up or were they shipped
1) Did you deliver them or ship them as you make it sound like both?
2) Is someone Chuck Cantell or someone that worked for him/them?
3) Who is saying they are under 2200 grams?
4) How well did you know this person to do a breeding loan?
5) Did you not notice the snake lost 1/3 of it's body weight when you picked them up or were they shipped
1) Did you deliver them or ship them as you make it sound like both? Delivered them.
2) Is someone Chuck Cantell or someone that worked for him/them? Chuck is the person.
3) Who is saying they are under 2200 grams? The guy I just sold the one female to.
4) How well did you know this person to do a breeding loan? Obviouslt not as well as I thought.
5) Did you not notice the snake lost 1/3 of it's body weight when you picked them up or were they shipped. My son picked them up. I hadnt really worked with them.
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2) Is someone Chuck Cantell or someone that worked for him/them? Chuck is the person.
3) Who is saying they are under 2200 grams? The guy I just sold the one female to.
4) How well did you know this person to do a breeding loan? Obviouslt not as well as I thought.
5) Did you not notice the snake lost 1/3 of it's body weight when you picked them up or were they shipped. My son picked them up. I hadnt really worked with them.
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ForkedTung
Serpent Mound Monk
Tim, I am sorry about your "possible" situation.. But, the way i see it, you really have no proof of any wrong doing?? Meaning, for all you know he just didn't bother to waste his rodents feeding your animals, and your snakes lost some weight while in his care??
Next time do a better job of protecting yourself by either buying your own male OR don't get yourself involved in breeding loans with people you do not know or trust 100%..
~ Mike Russo
Next time do a better job of protecting yourself by either buying your own male OR don't get yourself involved in breeding loans with people you do not know or trust 100%..
~ Mike Russo
TripleMoonsExotic
New member
I'm sorry, but that's a really scummy thing to do (if in fact that is the reason for weight loss). If the guy took the animals under the pretense he was to properly care for the animals (which we all assumed), they should be fed. It is neglect if the guy failed to feed them.
ciderinc
New member
My Side of the Story
I met Tim in January 2009, He was looking for a rodent supplier that was local because he had quite a few snakes to feed and didn’t want to pay pet store prices for feeders. When he came over he was a real personable type guy who boasted about a small but somewhat decent collection of Ball Pythons. A few weeks later he invited me over to see his snakes, I was absolutely floored by what I saw.
He had a total of about 9 snakes all 2008 animals; 1.1 Pied, 1.0 Orange Ghost, 0.1 Ivory, 1.0 Super Pastel, 0.1 Spider, 1.0 Pinstripe and 0.2 Normals. His snakes were living in small Tupperware boxes that were set next to a radiator, piled one on top of another in a room that only had that one radiator for heat during the dead of winter. All of the cages were filthy with urites and water, no air holes drilled in any of them. None of them had eaten in weeks because they wouldn’t eat for him, they were very dehydrated. Well a few weeks later he approached me and mentioned that one his snakes had died and asked if I had room for the others, I said yes I would help him out.
I set up quarantine cages for them and told him to bring them on over, I worked with them for about 2 weeks and had all of them eating and doing well for me.
We worked out and agreement (Verbally) that as payment for taking care of the snakes I would breed the two large girls he sent over we would split the litters and I would keep the large females. About a month and a half later he called me and told me that he had sold the two girls and wanted them back, I of course said no, one the girls had developed follicles and they had both been cycling through a couple of my males. At that point I stopped trying to breed them and decided to just wait it out and see if anything developed. After enough time had passed that I was comfortable with letting them go, I contacted Tim to make arrangements, I weighed them out and they were both well over 3000 grams, he picked them both up on 8/15/09, and I washed my hands of this guy, he not someone that I would ever sell to or buy from.
There are several inconsistencies with him, but that is the way he operates, first he never saw me weigh those girls when I received them, he just dropped all the snakes off in the Tupperware they were living in at the time.
He has had these animals for over 6 weeks now……..
I would be willing to bet he has turned back to his old ways of doing things, just a Tupperware, probably kept them both in the same one under a bed somewhere.
I met Tim in January 2009, He was looking for a rodent supplier that was local because he had quite a few snakes to feed and didn’t want to pay pet store prices for feeders. When he came over he was a real personable type guy who boasted about a small but somewhat decent collection of Ball Pythons. A few weeks later he invited me over to see his snakes, I was absolutely floored by what I saw.
He had a total of about 9 snakes all 2008 animals; 1.1 Pied, 1.0 Orange Ghost, 0.1 Ivory, 1.0 Super Pastel, 0.1 Spider, 1.0 Pinstripe and 0.2 Normals. His snakes were living in small Tupperware boxes that were set next to a radiator, piled one on top of another in a room that only had that one radiator for heat during the dead of winter. All of the cages were filthy with urites and water, no air holes drilled in any of them. None of them had eaten in weeks because they wouldn’t eat for him, they were very dehydrated. Well a few weeks later he approached me and mentioned that one his snakes had died and asked if I had room for the others, I said yes I would help him out.
I set up quarantine cages for them and told him to bring them on over, I worked with them for about 2 weeks and had all of them eating and doing well for me.
We worked out and agreement (Verbally) that as payment for taking care of the snakes I would breed the two large girls he sent over we would split the litters and I would keep the large females. About a month and a half later he called me and told me that he had sold the two girls and wanted them back, I of course said no, one the girls had developed follicles and they had both been cycling through a couple of my males. At that point I stopped trying to breed them and decided to just wait it out and see if anything developed. After enough time had passed that I was comfortable with letting them go, I contacted Tim to make arrangements, I weighed them out and they were both well over 3000 grams, he picked them both up on 8/15/09, and I washed my hands of this guy, he not someone that I would ever sell to or buy from.
There are several inconsistencies with him, but that is the way he operates, first he never saw me weigh those girls when I received them, he just dropped all the snakes off in the Tupperware they were living in at the time.
He has had these animals for over 6 weeks now……..
I would be willing to bet he has turned back to his old ways of doing things, just a Tupperware, probably kept them both in the same one under a bed somewhere.
ciderinc
New member
To Answer a couple of questions
1) This was an in person situation, no shipping was involved.
2) I fed and properly cared for all of the snakes on the same cycle as my own.
I'd be happy to clear anything up or answer any questions anyone may have.
1) This was an in person situation, no shipping was involved.
2) I fed and properly cared for all of the snakes on the same cycle as my own.
I'd be happy to clear anything up or answer any questions anyone may have.
ciderinc
New member
One More
I believe this is Tim as well in an attempt strike at me for forcing him to somewhat hold up his end of the bargan.
I believe this is Tim as well in an attempt strike at me for forcing him to somewhat hold up his end of the bargan.
hhmoore
tired & cranky shadow
ForkedTung
Serpent Mound Monk
Could one of the mods do an IP check on the OP's for of these two threads?
ForkedTung
Serpent Mound Monk
thanks Harald!
ciderinc
New member
Just a couple of screen shots to prove this.
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ChampagneCity
New member
Cider Reptiles
Cider Reptiles has supplied my rodents for several months! I have had 0 complaints on anything chuck is a upstanding man of his word!!
Cider Reptiles has supplied my rodents for several months! I have had 0 complaints on anything chuck is a upstanding man of his word!!
ballroompythons
New member
You say that you witnessed the snakes weighing 3000 grams when you delivered them to Chuck. Did you witness the weighing of the snakes when you sold them to this new person? How do you know that they only weighed 2200 grams when you got them back from Chuck? I have known Chuck for over a year and he has always been reliable and honest. He has helped me out tremendously when I needed it and it sounds like he helped you with your animals at a time when you needed some assistance. I think you need more evidence than you have before you start accusing someone of wrongdoing. Maybe you should invest in a scale so that you can know what your animals weigh and not rely on information from other people.
Tim Lane
BallRoom Pythons
Tim Lane
BallRoom Pythons
prototypepythons
New member
I have made multiple feeder purchases from Chuck, and his feeders are top notch. I have also seen many of his animals and every animal I have seen has been in top notch as far as health, and wouldn't hesitate purchasing an animal from him. I see this thread as a personal attack on Chuck with no substantial merit, by someone who is so caught up trying to discredit someones name without merit, that they have to start two different threads under different names trying to show they aren't the ONLY one with this opinion. Sad attempt on discrediting a good guy with great animals!
MiIguanaLvr
The Deaf Dog Trainer
I am also interested in what the OP has to say.
To pretty much anyone who can read, this sure looks like a personal vendetta that you brought here, with a fake account!
How Dare You!
That makes you the jerk, IMHO
To pretty much anyone who can read, this sure looks like a personal vendetta that you brought here, with a fake account!
How Dare You!
That makes you the jerk, IMHO
Burmdude20
New member
Ciderinc A.K.A. Charles Cardell
I just wanted to say that I recently did a trade with Charles and I think he is a super good guy!! He shipped first, snakes arrived happy and healthy as could be. He wasn't even worried about me shipping right away but that the snakes were safe and healthy from shipping. I would definitely do business with Charles again and would highly recommend him to people to do business with as well.
I just wanted to say that I recently did a trade with Charles and I think he is a super good guy!! He shipped first, snakes arrived happy and healthy as could be. He wasn't even worried about me shipping right away but that the snakes were safe and healthy from shipping. I would definitely do business with Charles again and would highly recommend him to people to do business with as well.