CMG Reptiles anyone dealt with them?

[Mickey_TLK]

He has some "poss het" sharp strain albinos available. A couple thing in the story dont add up to me, but Im trying to give the guy the benifit of the doubt.

Also a het x het breeding that didnt produce albinos, what would that make the offspring at best. Lets say one is a true het and one is a common, that would make the babies 50% hets correct?

Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles

 

[Wilomn]

I believe that if one parent is a het and one is normal then one out of every four babies is a het, 25%. On het to het I think it's 66%. I could be wrong, wouldn't surprise me but, that's what I think it works out to.

Wes Pollock

 

[dkpuma]

A het to a normal will produce 50% hets.

Wes, you're thinking a het to het breeding one in four will be an albino.

Some more info on what you don't think adds up would help us out here.

David Van Houten
Logan Enterprises

 

[Mickey_TLK]

Well for starters the seller believes he has 66% het albinos, and as we agree, that could not be the case *unless he does have 2 100% hets that just happened to not hit on the albino in this particualar litter (unlikely but I guess possible), This is the statement from them about their "poss het sharp strain albinos"

IT WAS A GAURANTEED 100%HET BRED TO WHAT WAS THOUGHT ANOTHER 100% HET BIT NO
ALBINOS CAME OUT SO I DONT KNOW IF THE GENETICS WERE NOT COMPATIBLE OR WHAT
BUT AT THE LEAST THEY ARE 66%


Again Im not calling him a scam artist, but something doesnt add up. I keep asking for info, and he only answers a portion of my questions. I personally at this point would not be comfortable believing they are even poss hets, but I figured maybe they are good honest people, and someone here could back that up, but soo far it seems thats not gonna happen.

Either way, if you are looking at this group, Ask a ton of questions.

Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard king Reptiles

 

[The BoidSmith]

Mickey,

IT WAS A GAURANTEED 100%HET BRED TO WHAT WAS THOUGHT ANOTHER 100% HET BIT NO
ALBINOS CAME OUT SO I DONT KNOW IF THE GENETICS WERE NOT COMPATIBLE OR WHAT
BUT AT THE LEAST THEY ARE 66%

In my opinion they are telling you upfront they are unsure if one of them was heterozygous. They should be sold as a 100% hetero bred to a normal thus the offspring being 50% possibles. As for the genetic incompatibility (breeding and hetero Sharp to and hetero Kahl) that will still give you 50% heteros for either strain, the problem is you don't know to which!

Kindly,

 

[Mickey_TLK]

Yea thats what I figured to, but hes advertising them as 66% hets. If he cant figure out the genetics, who knows if any of it is true or what. He never mentions kahl strain at all, soo I assume he thought he had 2 100% het sharps. However I asked who produced the adults a couple times, asked if any papwerwork could be provided, ect, ect and all of theese questions have been dodged. Who knows

Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles

 

[CMGREPTILES]

FIRST OF ALL THE BREEDING WAS 2 100% HETS BUT FOR SOME REASON NO ALBINOS WERE THROWN. BUT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE. I AM SELLING THEM CHEAP ENOUGH FOR THEM TO BE 50% OR HELL EVEN NORMALS. BUT THEY ARE 66% AND THATS THE WAY IT ADS UP. HETS ARE A RISKY GAME AND SOMETIMES IT HAPPENS THAT YOU DONT ALWAYS PRODUCE THE ANIMAL. BUT I DONT SCAM ANYBODY THEREFORE THE PRICE ON THESE BABIES WERE 175.00 FOR FEMALES AND 100.00 FOR MALES WHICH ABOUT WHAT NORMALS GO FOR AT THE PET SHOPS SO I DONT SEE WHY MY NAME AND SCAM ARE EVEN IN THE SAME PARAGRAPH. BUT I GUESS SOMETIMES PEOPLE (LIZARD KING) HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN TO GO AFTER THE WRONG PERSON AND TRY AND SABATOGE THEIR NAME. BUT ITS COOL BECAUSE NOONE I HAVE DEALT WITH HAS BEEN RIPPED OFF OR SCAMMED. THEY HAVE GOTTEN EXACTLY WHAT THEY HAVE PAYED FOR AND IF SOMETHING HAPPENS UNFORSEEN I FIX THE SITUATION AND HEAVY IT UP ON MY END OF THE DEAL JUST TO SHOW I AM A MAN OF MY WORD. SO TO ALL THAT HAVE LOOKED AT THIS THREAD KEEP ON HERPING AND REMEMBER THERE ARE ALOT OF DIRTY AND SCAMMING DUDES OUT HERE IN THIS INDUSTRY BUT I AM NOT ONE OF THEM. THANKS FOR LISTENING CHRIS CMG REPTILES

 

[Mickey_TLK]

Chris

Buddy Relax for a second, and please turn your caps lock off.

I want to say this as clear as possible. I DID NOT SAY YOU WERE A SCAMMER, I am not trying to drag your name down in any way. I am however looking for someone to back up your name.

The statement you just made is 10 times what you said in any email responce to me. You dodged questions, or neglected to answer them. I clearly asked if you had the following, actually, screw it, Im posting the emails.

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Responce to my first email, you can read my questions on the bottom.

IT WAS A GAURANTEED 100%HET BRED TO WHAT WAS THOUGHT ANOTHER 100% HET BIT NO
ALBINOS CAME OUT SO I DONT KNOW IF THE GENETICS WERE NOT COMPATIBLE OR WHAT
BUT AT THE LEAST THEY ARE 66%


----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 6:32 PM
Subject: Message about: JUST IN POSS HET ALBINO SHARP STRAIN BABIES


> How many females do you have available, and can you send pics of the
breeding/birthing if possible. Do you have paperwork on the parent that is a
het sharp.
>
> Mickey Hinkle
> The Lizard King REptiles
>

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The second email was a pic sent of two "het" babies, wont post as we all know what boas look like. He didnt say anything new in that email.

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The third email, and one that got me to post here

NO I HAVE 7 ITS JUST HARD TO GET ALL OF THEM IN THE PIC


----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: "CMG REPTILES" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Message about: JUST IN POSS HET ALBINO SHARP STRAIN BABIES


> So you have 2 females available, from what I am gathering?
>
> Where did the parents come from, and how did you get taken on a het? Are
you sure either is het? Het to het would produce 66% and albinos in theory,
but could also miss I guess. How many babies in the litter? And het to
common, that would be 50% hets correct? I would need ALOT more info to be
confident buying them to be honest.
>
> Mickey Hinkle
> The Lizard King Reptiles

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Now let me clear something up. I DID NOT CONTACT YOU FOR COMMON BOAS. I responded to an add for SHARP STRAIN HETS. Had you provided decent paperwork, or answered questions, who knows I may have bought all 7 females from you on the spot. But 175$ for a common boa, no way buddy, let alone 175 ea for 7 commons. I would have checked you out either way. IF you cant handle someone asking for references on your business, well get out of hets cause you will be flooded with requests' for that kind of info.


Now you want to call me out as haveing too much time on my hands, ect, ect. NOPE, I'M JUST CASIOUS. I would never send you that kind of money on hets withought some sort of proof. Im sorry you took my inquiry the wrong way, but it is what it is.

If you got scammed on your het, then obviously you could imagine how others would feel if they did. Of course they are poss hets, but are they? If you cant proide paperwork on either animal, and obviously one was a fraud anywyas, are they not just commons. Thats my opinion on that matter.

Sorry you took it the wrong way man.

Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles

 

[CMGREPTILES]

REFRENCES ARE NOT A PROBLEM. BUT WHEN DEALING WITH HETS AND GENETICS IT IS A RISKY GAME FOR EXAMPLE A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE BRED 2 100% HET BALLS TOGETHER FOR 3 BREEDINGS BEFORE HE FINALLY PRODUCED THE ALBINOS HE WAS LOOKING FOR SO I CANT TELL YOU WHY ON THIS BREEDING THE ALBINOS WERE NOT PRODUCED. I REALLY DONT THINK ANYONE TOTALLY HAS THE WHOLE GENETIC THING OR COMPATIBILLITY THING WORKED INTO A GAURANTEED SCIENCE CONSIDERING ALL THESE MORPHS THAT ARE BEING PRODUCED TODAY ARE FAIRLY NEW IN BOTH BOAS AND BALLS ESPECIALLY. BUT THATS IS JUST MY OPPINION. I THINK THERE IS WAY TO MANY OUT HERE IN THE INDUSTRY POSTING HETS. I THINK THAT 70% ARE GENUINE BUT I THINK 30% ARE PEOPLE JUST TRYING TO GET YOUR MONEY. BUT I THINK MY PRICE ON THESE BOAS IN QUESTION ARE A REFLECTION OF THE FACT IM NOT OUT FOR THE GREED FACTOR. BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR BEING CAUTIOUS AND YOU VERY WELL SHOULD BE. WE HAVE ALL BEEN SCAMMED SOME WORSE THAN OTHERS BUT I STAND BEHIND WHAT I SELL. BUT I APOLIGIZE IF MY LAST REPLY SOUNDED HARSH AND TO THE POINT BUT IT WAS MEANT TO BE TO THE POINT. AND ANY OF THESE BABIES WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT GAMBLE JUST FOR THE FACT OF WHAT THEY CAN PRODUCE. BUT IF YOUR NOT SURE IN YOUR HEAD ABOUT WHAT SOMEONE IS OFFERING THAN JUST DONT BUY IT THATS MY ADVISE TO ANYONE OUT THERE LOOKING FOR HETS. THANKS AGAIN CMG REPTILES

 

[The BoidSmith]

Chris,

Here is what you told Mickey:

IT WAS A GAURANTEED 100%HET BRED TO WHAT WAS THOUGHT ANOTHER 100% HET

1. Your own statement clearly says you thought it was. You are opening the possibility for at least one of the animals not to be an hetero.

BIT NO ALBINOS CAME OUT SO I DONT KNOW IF THE GENETICS WERE NOT COMPATIBLE OR WHAT

2. Again, with that statement you are saying that they might have been genetically incompatible (two different albino strains in the mix), but then you said OR WHAT which reads that you have no clue as of why albinos didn't show up, which brings us back to possibility number 1.

BUT AT THE LEAST THEY ARE 66%

3. This statement is only valid if both are 100% hetero, which according to your own words you are not sure about.

Sincerely,

 

[Mickey_TLK]

Trust me Chris, I would love to trust you on this one. I really do need all the hets I can get for my sharp male. But I cant risk too much at this point. Help me out a bit.

Who produced the het parents?

Do you have papwerwork on the parents?

Can anyone else here reading this stand up for Chris?

I am a serious customer, and if I were satisfied with the gamble, I may very well take it.

Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles

 

[CMGREPTILES]

THE REASON I SAID IT WAS THOUGHT TO BE A GAURANTEED HET WAS JUST MY THOUGHT ON THE SITUATION. BUT I SAW THE PAPERWORK ON THE BREEDING AND IT IS AUTHENTIC. SO THAT IS ABOUT AS MUCH TIME I CAN EXHAUST ON THIS SITUATION SO IT GOES DOWN TO WHOS WORD YOU WANT TO TAKE BUT OBVIOUSLY MY WORD IS SOLID ENOUGH TO HAVE SOLD THEM TO A COUPLE PEOPLE I HAVE DEALT WITH IN THE PAST SO TO THOSE WHO BOUGHT THEM THANKS ALOT AND EVRYONE OUT THERE HAVE AN EXCELLENT DAY CHRIS GUIDA CMG REPTILES

 

[The BoidSmith]

As for the price issue...

Chris,

Hope you did not take this personally because that was not my intention at all. It was just meant to be my opinion in the matter.

When a person buys possible heterozygous for a certain trait they are gambling. But they usually like to gamble knowing that at least they stand a chance. They are investing time and money, and maybe even using them in a breeding program with a “certified” 100% heterozygous animal they already have or plan to buy. Going back to the price issue, even if they are tagged as normals, it is unfair for the buyer, because as it was said before he is gambling. How would you like to go to the casino, pay one third of the ongoing price for the chips (a good deal) bet all night on the number 15, just to find out it has been removed from the roulette?

You have a good day too!

 

[CMGREPTILES]

I DONT TAKE IT PERSONALLY AT ALL I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE GAMBLE BELIEVE ME. AND IF SOMEONE DIDNT ASK ME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HET IM POSTING I WOULDNT FEEL HE OR SHE WAS TO INFORMED ON HETS CAUSE YOU NEE TO MAKE SURE YOUR INVESTMENT WAS SECURED IN SOME WAY. AND LIKE I SAID THERE ARE SOME REAL CON ARTISTS IN THIS BUISNESS AND WILL SELL YOU HET FOR ANYTHING JUST TO MAKE A QUICK BUCK AND GET OUT WITHOUT A TRACE. BUT THE SAYING I LIVE BY IN THIS INDUSTRY IS THIS, WHEN YOU DO 1 PERSON GOOD THEY TELL 10 PEOPLE BUT WHEN YOU SCREW SOMEONE OVER THEY TELL 100 PEOPLE. THAT IS AS SIMPLY AS I CAN PUT IT. I RELY ON RETURN CUSTOMERS. AND I HAVE ALOT OF THEM AND I TAKE CARE OF PROBLEM SITUATIONS WHEN THEY ARRIVE CAUSE WHEN YOUR DEALING WITH ANIMALS OF ANY KINDS THINGS HAPPEN SUCH AS DEATH DISEASE SHIPPING ACCIDENTS AND OTHER THINGS AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS I MAKE A POINT FOR THE CLIENT NOT TO HAVE TO EAT THE LOSS. I APPRECIATE ALL THE FEEDBACK ON THIS MATTER AND TO MICKEY AND YOURSELF I DONT TAKE NONE OF IT PERSONALLY AND AND HOPE THIS DOES NOT AFFECT ANY POSSIBLE FUTURE DEALINGS. JUST WHEN SOMEONE ANSWERS MY ADS THEY ARE DEALING WITH AN UPFRONT HONEST PERSON WHO STANDS BRHIND WHAT HE SELLS. THANKS ALOT AND HAVE A GREAT DAY CHRIS CMG REPTILES

 

[Mickey_TLK]

Chris

Im glad you are reading this with an open mind, and as such, I hope you continue to.

Dont take this as a person trying to tell you how to run your business, but as friendly advice.

In the future try and be a little more informative in your emails when people inquire. I asked in many emails for further info, and none of your responces provided much if any info. That was the first thing that struck me as odd, almost evasive.

Second, if possible, can you refer some past customers to give you a reference either via email to me, or here on the forum. I guess its not a big deal, its just one of my pet peves is when people ramble on and on about past customers being satisfied, ect, ect yet no one else is speaking up. Almost sounds like either your crazy, your lieying, or hopefully the more truthfull statement, that many of your customers dont know this page exists. I can see that, as alot of people dont know of this page. Speaking of that, how did you find out you were mentioned here. I ment to email you, but kinda wanted to see if anyone knew you before I went any further. The reason I say you should ask a few past customers for a public reference, is it would help back up some of your statements. Otherwise, they are just statments.

Again please take it as a suggestion, not criticizm.

Mickey Hinkle
THe lIzard King Reptiles

 

[snakebstr]

50% or 66% is pretty much the same thing. Yes the 66% might hit or it might not as with the 50%. But with These POSS HETS(50%-66% or whatever) you still have no leg to stand on when they don't prove out. Because when you buy poss hets you get just that a Possablity of it being het and a possability of in NOT being HET. The 66% might be a better chance but YET it is still a chance......That is NOT guarranteed for any recourse in anyway. So if the price was low enough that in my opinion would 50% to 66% difference. But they are still chance animals at best. just my 2 cents. Thanks DAVID

 

[jefjen]

?????????

Mickey,,
unless i missed it somewhere,, Chris still has not provided any documentation on who produced the possible hets, nor any references,,NOR,, has anyone come on here with positive feedback on a deal..

I too, was looking at some animals he had on kingsnake, and would still be interested in them depending on the outcome of this thread.
Good Luck

 

[SNAKESALLAROUND]

If you look at other threads you will find good reports of dealings with CMG. I have spent about 20k with them in the past year and everything has been exactly what i needed and wanted. The fact that chris will explain whatever you need is helpful plus if you saw the 2 pied males he has that has produced the het pied male i bought you would flip. That animal is top notch. I am going to continue my dealings with them. its hard to find good people to deal with that you can trust and i have found mine.





Jason breeden

FLORIDA DONT FEED THE GATORS

 

[Bill Rodriquez]

CMG Reptiles anyone dealt with them

Hets or Not ???????

I would like to make a contribution to this post, about my dealings with CMG Reptile. On 3-3-2004 I inquired about 0.2 100% Het. Albino Boas that they had posted for sale. I recieved a immediate response that they were still available for sale at $ 500.00 for both and they came with a money back gauranteed receipt signed by chris since they were hets. I e-mailed them back stating that I wished to purchase them. On 3-4-2004 I sent out a m.o. in the amout needed via Fed- Ex overnight. I checked with chris the next day to make sure he recieved it, which he did. On 3-8-2004 chris shipped boas out. On 3-9-2004 I recieved boas, they were packed very well and were flawless animals, however there was no signed reciept. I contacted chris via e-mail on 3-9-2004, his response was that he was going to send that out. On 3-18-2004 I had not recieved anything. I contact him back via e-mail and ask him about it. He told me he was going to get it notorized to protect us both better, and mail it out next morning, I said fine. Well on 3-25-2004 I still haven't recieved anything ye, so I contacted chris back, he stated he couldn't get a straight answer out of his employees on the paperwork, and that he was personally going to do it over and send it out next morning on 3-26-2004. Well as of 4-5-2004 I have not recieved anything yet, so I contact chris again, and this time he e-mail me back to send him my address again and he will send out receipt in morning via priority mail and that I will have it next day. Well this is 4-8-2004 and I have no more now than when I startd a month ago to get my gaurantee. I know the time factor due to my saving all our e-mail responses. This does not even make sense to me , we are only about 5 hrs. from each other. I am not in any way trying to make chris out a bad person, he is doing that to himself. I am a straight forward and honest person, who dosen't like to be lied to and jerked around for a month on an issue he stated he provides with Het. purchases. I have dealt with reptiles for many, many years, and it is of good business practice not to make statements that you cannot back up.
He stated himself in a post on 12-10-2003 @ 5:12 p.m. To clear up all confusion I always give a money back gaurantee on all my 100% Hets, after 2 consecutive breedings. I will always offer whatever I need to make sure anyone I deal with is satisfied with the Hets. they get from me. Well I think either these boas are not his to gaurantee or else they are not Hets. as they are supposed to be. I can come to no other conclusions. I will just have to wait to see.


Thank You
Bill Rodriquez