CMG Reptiles Inquiry

[The BoidSmith]

. but do yourself a favor and dont quote others and apply it to somebodies thread. that is what is wrong with the people who use this site.

Jason,

People new to this site sometimes bring up things that those that have been here for a long time did not see. In just a couple of months and without even doing a little research they are able to pinpoint the problems right away. That is why we encourage and believe everyone's opinion to be relevant, even if we don't nessarily agree with them.

they get away from the integrity of the original posts. this thread started buy people questioning chris,s integrity with the het boas.

This post started with an original request of information by Robert (hetero pieds), Joe (boas), and myself (female ball pythons). It was then diverted to albino ball pythons, and finally to boas. You are new to the site. In fact you started posting a couple of months after this thread started. It is understandable then that you have missed that part.

this is the last post im responding to since i feel that it has been proven time and time again that chris is not a bad guy. but certain people here like to still try and put thier 2 cents in to try and ruin good people.

You seem to have the fixed idea that we (me?) are labeling Chris a bad guy and want to ruin his reputation. Would you please be so kind and show me one instance where I personally did so? Please do yourself a favor and go back and read the whole thread again. Read the albino ball python issue carefully and you will notice I defended Chris in that instance. He came in he explained, apologized, and done with that.

The issue with the undelivered paperwork is a completely different one. He offered for sale animals with paperwork. Personally I would have done exactly as Glenn suggested. No paperwork provided? The snakes are then going back for a full refund. By requesting something you have paid for and not received you are not labeling someone as a bad guy, you are just asking for what is rightfully yours.

Maybe if I repeat myself again you will hear me out: I really hope Chris sends this paperwork shortly.

 

[The BoidSmith]

Sorry, this is a little off topic.

Except that it was posted by CMG today:

1.0 ALBINO MALE AND 0.1 ANERY FEMALE WITH A BONUS 1300.00
VIRGINIA
Posted by (Contact Me!) on April 11, 2004 at 15:32:19
Registered PetHobbyist User since 2003-07-01

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I HAVE AN ALBINO MALE AN A ANERY FEMALE FOR SALE FOR 1300.00. THE BONUS IS THAT THEY ARE POSS HET SNOWS. BUT IM NOT SELLING THEM AS HET SNOWS. AND AT THIS PRICE THEY WILL BE GONE. YESTERDAY I POSTED THEM WITHOUT PICS AND THE RESPONSE WAS CRAZY. I TOOK PICS AND HERE THEY ARE. FIRST PERSON WHO PAYS GETS THEM. PAYPAL PRICE IS 1350.00 AND POST OFFICE MONEY ORDER SENT WITH A TRACKING NUMBER PRIORITY PRICE IS 1300.00 SHIPPING IS 40.00

The bolding is mine to point the obvious. It is against the TOS of Paypal for the seller to charge the Paypal fee. In this situation he is not only charging 3% (the usually Paypal fee) but 3.85% instead (I guess to round the figure off to $50).

Anyone can ask whatever they want for their merchandise. But by stating that the price is $1300 or $1350 if paid with Paypal he is clearly showing he is charging the customers 3.85% on top of the asking price.

Regards.

 

[snakemanexotics]

off the topic

almost everybody charges for paypal
so he's charging an extra .85 % to round out the #
even the Loves charge you more when you buy a
corn snake manual & you use paypal
grow up stop nit picking everything everybody does
go get a life , i say this cause with the amount of post you
have you most do nothing else but sit in front of your
computer & wait for someone to make a mistake
so now you can trash me for sticking up for someone
& if you look at this post probable for spelling something
wrong so i guess it make me a bad snake breeder

ps i to charge for paypal

 

[The BoidSmith]

Rich,

If you are going to be using Paypal, you might as well be aware of their terms of service. You can read them at the link below:

http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/terms-outside#legal_relationship

Go to that page and read IV. Received payments, point 5, as quoted below:

No Surcharges. Under Visa, MasterCard, Discover and American Express regulations and the laws of several states, including California, merchants may not charge a fee to the buyer for accepting credit card payments (often called a "surcharge"). You agree that you will not impose a surcharge or any other fee for accepting PayPal as payment. This restriction does not prevent you from imposing a handling fee in connection with the sale of goods or services, as long as the handling fee does not operate as a surcharge (in other words, the handling fee for transactions paid through PayPal may not be higher than the handling fee for transactions paid through other payment methods). Nor does this restriction apply to Pound-denominated transactions by sellers residing in the United Kingdom listing items for sale on a UK-based website.

The handling fee (lets assume the $50 was that) can not be higher than transactions through other methods, in this case paying by money order.

almost everybody charges for paypal
so he's charging an extra .85 % to round out the #
even the Loves charge you more when you buy a
corn snake manual & you use paypal

No, I'm sorry to contradict you, it is a minority that does it,and they should not be doing it.

[/QUOTE]grow up stop nit picking everything everybody does
go get a life , i say this cause with the amount of post you
have you most do nothing else but sit in front of your
computer & wait for someone to make a mistake
so now you can trash me for sticking up for someone
& if you look at this post probable for spelling something
wrong so i guess it make me a bad snake breeder[/QUOTE]

No, you are not going to be for expressing your opinion, you are entitled to it. Sticking up for someone is great! Although it is important make sure you are sticking up for the right thing and/or person. Constructive criticism for the betterment of the hobby/business is always welcome!

With regards to bad spelling IMHO it has nothing to do with being a good breeder/keeper of snakes. It helps when writing ads though.

I charge for paypal

Add it to your final price. If you want $100 for your herp sell it for $103. What you can't say is that you sell for $100 plus a surcharge of 3%.

Best regards!

 

[Ken Harbart]

Re: off the topic

almost everybody charges for paypal
so he's charging an extra .85 % to round out the #
even the Loves charge you more when you buy a
corn snake manual & you use paypal
grow up stop nit picking everything everybody does
go get a life , i say this cause with the amount of post you
have you most do nothing else but sit in front of your
computer & wait for someone to make a mistake
so now you can trash me for sticking up for someone
& if you look at this post probable for spelling something
wrong so i guess it make me a bad snake breeder

ps i to charge for paypal

So... you're admitting that
a) You don't abide by terms of service that you agreed to.
b) You're commiting a crime, as per NY law.

Well, looks like I can add another person to my list of dishonest herpers.

 

[snakemanexotics]

Alvaro ,
i'm sorry i did not mean to come across nasty
about get a life & stop nit picking but
people have said stuff about me & others about
misspelling when they knew what we meant
it just seems that nobody wants to be nice any more here
i thought this was made to help people and for us to chat
not just rip other people apart
yea if someone is not honest say something but thats it
maybe someone made a mistake we do that every once
& a while or at least i do
i'm just tired of seeing peolpe come out of the wood work
after someone says something bad about smoeone else
if they have beef with someone start a new thread

& you are right everybody should put the 3% in right away
i hope you understand me i wasn't made at you personally

 

[Ken Harbart]

Okay, it seems that I was a bit grumpy after spending the better part of the day onboard a C-130. My apologies to Rich for my gruff reply.

 

[Ken Harbart]

I would like to clarify, however, that is indeed illegal to hit a customer with a surcharge in some states.

If you're going to figure that fee into what the customer pays, figure it into the price across the board, rather than penalizing customers for paying via a certain method.

 

[The BoidSmith]

Rich,

You don't need to apologize as I never took it personally. And yes, I agree with you, I spend a lot of time looking at the ads (particularly boas, and ball pythons). I'm not looking for the flaws in the ads but I inevitably run into them as I read. Improving the way we conduct our businesses on-line will be reassuring for the clientele and will eventually increase everyone's business. Believe me when I say it is not fun to have to point out those things.

As for the spelling issue, I make a lot of mistakes myself. It is the content that matters and the way a person conducts himself rather than the grammatical errors he makes when writing.

No, we should not rip people apart. But by not pointing out what we know is wrong we are doing them a disservice. When I make a mistake in the future I will like my "true friends" to point it out to me. That means they care about me and my business (at least that's the way I see it).

Happy Easter!

 

[CMGREPTILES]

first of all alvaro you need a life. what the hell is your problem that you need to bash me and pick me apart on every subject. you need to get a new hobby. you have 1800 posts here. that is somebody who has no life. you have no right to question what i charge for animals. your just pissed off i wouldnt take you lowball insult of an offer on the blackhead ball. get over it. paypal will not do a thing to me over charging anyone since ive made paypal a ton of money when you consider their charges. and second the 50 dollar extra charge thru paypal is becuase of the hassle for me to wait 4 days to get my money. the reason i have not been responding lately to your crap is because i figured you got a life but now i see you still have nothing to do in a days time. you need a girlfriend,a job, or a life. you get into everyones business time and time again and the sad part ir you probablly dont even own a snake. here i am trying to keep a good name for myself and i have idiots like you harping on nothing but crap trying to turn it into something. you need to grow up. you are the problem with fauna and what its turning into. fauna used to be a site i enjoyed but its people like you that turn this site from what its supposed to be into a business bashing free for all.



chris
cmg reptiles

 

[Ken Harbart]

Well Chris, I haven't taken anything else from this thread into consideration, but your smugness regarding your lack of ethics is very telling.

fauna used to be a site i enjoyed but its people like you that turn this site from what its supposed to be into a business bashing free for all.

Fauna is still what it started out as. It still exposes the dishonest and unethical dealers amongst us. Sometimes it's the ones who charge their customers fees which they explicitly agreed not to.

If PayPal is too slow for you, or you're too damn cheap to cover the fee, then don't accept it. It's that simple.

 

[The BoidSmith]

first of all alvaro you need a life. what the hell is your problem that you need to bash me and pick me apart on every subject. you need to get a new hobby.

Chris,

Where do you see me bashing you? Read back on this thread, you will notice I even stood by you when you were questioned on the pictures and the origin of the albino ball. Where am I picking you apart? Please point it out to me.

you have 1800 posts here. that is somebody who has no life.

True. In close to three years. You would be amazed at the kind of life I lead.

you have no right to question what i charge for animals.

Please point me to anyplace in this site where I question how much you ask for your animals.

paypal will not do a thing to me over charging anyone since ive made paypal a ton of money when you consider their charges.

In that we don't agree. Surcharging is illegal, please read the Paypal terms.

and second the 50 dollar extra charge thru paypal is becuase of the hassle for me to wait 4 days to get my money.

That's understandable, but still can't do it.

the reason i have not been responding lately to your crap is because i figured you got a life but now i see you still have nothing to do in a days time.

No comment, although you will be surprised.

you need a girlfriend,a job, or a life. you get into everyones business time and time again and the sad part ir you probablly dont even own a snake.

Married, two children. Own and breed ball pythons, also have boa constrictors.

here i am trying to keep a good name for myself and i have idiots like you harping on nothing but crap trying to turn it into something. you need to grow up.

And you will keep your good name as long as you send Bill his paperwork, and don't surcharge for Paypal.

you are the problem with fauna and what its turning into. fauna used to be a site i enjoyed but its people like you that turn this site from what its supposed to be into a business bashing free for all.

Please show me again where I bashed you or said something that was not true.

Kindly.

 

[CMGREPTILES]

FIRST OF ALL THATS NOT WHAT MY POINT WAS. WHAT MY POINT WAS IS SIMPLE. IM NOT RIPPING ANYBODY OFF AND IM SICK AND TIRED OF IDIOTS ON HERE PUTTING MY NAME INTO STUPID SCENERIOS. IF IVE RIPPED SOMEONE OFF THAN FINE BUT I HAVENT AND IM SICK OF IT. ALSO THIS SITE IS A GOOD SITE IF IT IS USED AS A FORUM TO WARN PEOPLE BUT ITS TURNED INTO A SITE TO TRY AND RUIN PEOPLE. YOU AS A MODERATOR SHOULD UNDERSTAND MY FRUSTRATION AND IF YOU DONT THAN YOUR NO BETTER THAN ALVARO. AND AGAIN THIS IS AN ISSUE OF ALVARO BEING PISSED OFF THAT I WOULDNT SELL HIM A 10K SNAKE FOR HIS REDICULOUS 200.00 OFFER. THAT IS WHY HE HAS BEEN ON ME. AND ITS NOT THAT I AM TOO CHEAP WITH PAYPAL. I HAVE RUN OVER 70K THRU PAYPAL IN THE PAST 9 MONTHS SO THEY HAVE MADE THIER MONEY. DONT QUESTION MY BUSINESS INTEGRITY. IF THIS SITE IS NOT USED FOR WHAT ITS INTENDED FOR THAN I DONT NEED IT AND SURE AS HELL WOULD TELL ANYBODY THAT ASKED WHY. THIS IS REDICULOUS THAT I HAVE TO GET ON HERE AND BACK MYSELF UP ON ISSUES THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RIPPING ANYBODY OFF. THIS IS ABOUT AN ANERY FEMALE AND AN ALBINO BOA FOR 1300.00 WHAT THE HELL THE PRICE IS ROCKBOTTOM AND IM CATCHING CRAP ON HERE FOR THAT. I WOULD REALLY LOVE TOI HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT.


CHRIS

 

[CMGREPTILES]

LOOK ALVARO WHERE IN MY AD DOES IT SAY IM CHARGING FOR PAYPALS PERCENTAGE? NOWHERE. IM CHARGING MORE FOR A PAYPAL TRANSACTION BECAUSE OF THE INCONVIENANCE OF THE 4 DAY WAIT AND THAT IS NOT ILLEGAL. AND WHY DONT YOU CONTACT BILL AND ASK HIM WHAT ME AND HIM HAVE DISCUSSED BEFORE YOU PUT YOURSELF IN MY BUSINESS. THIS IS JUST REDICULOUS AND THIS SITE IS GETTING THAT WAY AS WELL. THERE IS A REASON PEOPLE POST ANIMALS ON HERE AND ON KINGSNAKE. AND THE REASON IS CAUSE THE INDUSTRY NEEDS A SITE FOR CHEAP PEOPLE WHO DONT EVEN WANT TO PAY FOR AN ACCOUNT TO SELL THEIR ANIMALS. I HAVE A PREMIER ACCOUNT WITH KINGSNAKE AND I POST REGULARLY THERE SO HOW AM I GONNA RIP SOMEBODY OFF. PLUS IM A LICENSSED BUSINESS NOT SOME HOBBYIST WITH A COUPLE ANIMALS. THINK ABOUT THAT BEFORE YOU QUESTION ME



CHRIS

 

[The BoidSmith]

AND AGAIN THIS IS AN ISSUE OF ALVARO BEING PISSED OFF THAT I WOULDNT SELL HIM A 10K SNAKE FOR HIS REDICULOUS 200.00 OFFER. THAT IS WHY HE HAS BEEN ON ME.

Was it $200? I thought it was $300, anyways it's a mute point right now. Don't get me wrong, it's not about that. The next thing you are going to say is that I was going to bid on Drew's animals and that's why I got involved.

Chris,

This is about two things:

1. Paperwork you have not provided to one of your customers.

2. Surcharging when selling through Paypal which is illegal.

Take care of those two issues and you are as good as new.

Regards.

 

[The BoidSmith]

Here it is Chris:

I HAVE AN ALBINO MALE AN A ANERY FEMALE FOR SALE FOR 1300.00. THE BONUS IS THAT THEY ARE POSS HET SNOWS. BUT IM NOT SELLING THEM AS HET SNOWS. AND AT THIS PRICE THEY WILL BE GONE. YESTERDAY I POSTED THEM WITHOUT PICS AND THE RESPONSE WAS CRAZY. I TOOK PICS AND HERE THEY ARE. FIRST PERSON WHO PAYS GETS THEM. PAYPAL PRICE IS 1350.00 AND POST OFFICE MONEY ORDER SENT WITH A TRACKING NUMBER PRIORITY PRICE IS 1300.00 SHIPPING IS 40.00

The pair is sold for $1,300. If someone pays with Paypal $1,350 (3,85% more to be exact).

If everything with Bill has been resolved accept my apologies. Please tell him that I will appreciate if he posts that as well.

Thanks.

 

[Bill Rodriquez]

To everyone here on the BOI, I would like to clear up a matter of misunderstanding over some genetics paperwork not sent out on a purchase on Het. animals from CMG. Chris and myself have gotten this matter TOTALLY RESOLVED, and there are no more issues. Chris has promised me in good faith that he will send out my paperwork this week. Chris also explained to me that he is highly involved in wildlife rescue and rehabilitation of wildlife and also very much into reptiles. He stated that there are many times he is taken away from the business, and that he totally depends on his employees to take care of matters such as mine. He told me that there were communication problems between him and his help, and that he is in the process of resolving this matter. He asured me that this will not happen in future dealing, and that they will be in a more timely fashion. As I have stated before Chris's animals were FLAWLESS and his shipping was 110%, and that is important to me and others when making purchases. As I close this post I would just like to remind everyone reading this, That in no way shape or form did I or would I be able to label Chris a bad guy. Not at all.


Thanks to everyone who contributed

Good Night
Bill Rodriquez

 

[Sasheena]

Will you PLEASE post when you actually receive the paperwork?

I don't think anyone was thinking anything bad about the animals themselves, just that Chris had to make good on the promise of sending you the paperwork.

 

[Bill Rodriquez]

Sasheena

I will be more than glad to post when I recieve paperwork. It shold likly be sometime this week. I'll keep everyone updated.

Thank You
Bill Rodriquez

 

[Bill Rodriquez]

PLEASE excuse the spelling. I have had on heck of a day and it is past my bed time.

Thank You
and to all goodnight

Bill Rodriquez