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cmg reptiles......poss dh sharp x albino boas ?????

I would like to say a few things now that we have the %'s down.

First of all, according to Brian Sharp, he tried to breed the kahl and Sharp strain albinos together and got all normals. That told him that the two strains were not compatable. The offspring were all sold off as normals according to Brian. I got my info directly from Brian.
Now, with that said, who says the two hets with both strains are not compatable? Apparently it has never been done. If you bred 100% het kahl x 100% het sharp you would (techinically) get 50% normals/66% het for who knows what (too tired to figure it out) and you would get 25% kahl albinos and 25% Sharp albinos. Nobody says that any part of either of the albinos could not be a combo of both. Too the nest of my knowledge, and I have done extensive research on it up to including talking to Brian, this has not been attempted before. There are theories as to where some things come from (I will leave that to your immagination for tonight), but like I said it has not been done.
All we know for fact is that the two ALbinos, when bred together, gave normals.

Now, Mickey, you want het Sharps. I could have sworn I saw some today or yesterday, but can't remember which classifieds. I would be safe to say that calling Rich Ihle would be a good start/chance to your hunt for 100%'ers.

Best of luck either way you go.
 
Im allready on Richs waiting list for sharp animals, same with tornetta, and a few others working with them.

As with many other people, I would just love to get a shot as many het sharp females as possible, and the earlier the better. If I were to buy theese, Im sure since they are next to nothing price wise, I would end up buying many more next season still (just dont tell the wife...lmao)

Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles
 
Mickey,

This is probably the ad Brian is referring to:

ALBINO AND SNOW BOA PROJECT FOR SALE
WE SHIP NATIONWIDE
Posted by EXCLUSIVELY EXOTICS (Contact Me!) on February 05, 2004 at 08:10:41

Hello we are currently looking for an albino Male ball python, or gilas. Rather get a sub adult-Adult. We have to trade the following animals:
1.0 Fine Line Albino (30+" feeding on FT Jumbo mice)
1.1 100% Het Khahl Albino(36+" feeding on FT Jumbo mice)
0.4 Poss Double het(Khahl X Sharp)Albinos (Still small feeding on FT Fuzzies)
0.1 Anery Boa poss het stripe(Feeding on Crawlers)
0.1 100% DH Snow(Feeding on live mice)
The value is well above market price on albino male BALL PYTHONS, Or we will sell for $3700.00. please send pics of available males
All Hets come with paperwork etc. NAy Questions feel free to ask!
Thanks
Click to expand...

Regards
 
If I have my genetics right, the offspring from a double het X double het for both strains should result in the following offspring

1 animal that is visual for both strains (double homozygous)
1 Kahl Albino
2 Kahl Albinos het Sharp
1 Sharp Albino
2 Sharp Albinos het Kahl
2 het Sharps
2 Het Kahl
4 double hets
1 normal

That is, of course, simply the genetic probability from a 16 space Punnett Square. Obviously all the normal phase animals would be possible hets.

Visually you would have

1 Albino homozygous for both strains
3 Sharp Albinos
3 Kahl Albinos
9 possible hets

Whew...haven't run one of those from scratch in a while...they are fun though
 
The picture will show the percentages from a double het breeding in case anyone wants to know.
 

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mmhhh??? My genetics are a little rusty. How come a double recessive which has both alleles ocuppied with the genes of the albinism for one strain can still hold the genes for another strain of albinism? I'm not saying it's not possible, what I'm saying is I'm having difficulty in understanding it and need someone to explain it to me.

Thanks.
 
Alvaro

If that is the xase then you are correct. However, my understanding is that no one is actually aware if that is the case. My breakdown is based on two simple rexessives. If the genetic makeup is as you described, there is no accurate way of postulating the results.
 
From my understanding, Sharp and Kahl strains are two different genes. Each gene has two alleles. The genes are independent of each other. If you really want to go into it further, the genes are located at different loci and restrict the melanin at different places.

Basically, I find it a lot easier to simplify by substituting different genes. Say the Sharp is still Sharp albino, but we can use anerythrism as a substitute for Kahl strain.

If the boa is albino, that doesn't mean it has to be anerythristic as well, because they're two separate genes. If the boa is anerythristic, it doesn't have to be albino. However, you can combine them to become snow--- they're not compatible, i.e. het albino x het anery won't produce a snow. The alleles belong to different genes.

I hope this might have helped a little? And I'm not sure at all that this is right, but I am fairly decent at genetics and that's strongly what it looks like.

Alyssa Gottschlich
 
I do not see why (going on memory as the pic is not shown here where I am typing my reply) there would be 6.25% homozygous for kahl het sharp AND 12.5% homzygous for Kahl het sharp. That makes no sense. WHy not be 18% homzygous for Kahl het sharp?
 
WOW THIS IS STARTING TO GET FUN

LETS TRY

Hypo Arabesque 50% het albino x hypo motley triple het (100%het albino) (66% het anery) (50% het stripe)




JUST KIDDING but that is where the boa world is going, isnt it great.

Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles
 
In addition, that is what I was saying in my post from late last night. There would be (or SHOULD BE) albinos that express both traits.....going by the last line from the genetics wizard thingy.

I knew that anyway, but it has yet to be seen.
 
Brian

You are reading it a bit wrong.

6 % would be kahl
12% would be kahl het sharp

So 18% would be kahl albinos, but only 2/3 of them would also be het sharp. And of course there would be no way of telling what ones were het and the ones that arent. Thus at that point all the "kahl" albinos would be possible het sharp and vice versa.

That being said, I personally wouldnt go that route. As a novelty it would be interesting to see, and cool to say you were the "first" to produce both albinos from one pairing or a multi trait albino. However the reality is that it MAY become very confusing to tell one albino from the other (allthough I would assume telling a sharp from a kahl in the same litter would be much like spotting a sunglow in a sunglow litter).

Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles
 
you are right, I misread it. How silly of me.

Interesting thoughts about this. Might be something worth trying one day. What do you have to lose.
 
The only good that could come of it is if you had enough unrelated double dose albino genetics available.

Then you oould take a sharp albino het for kahl and breed it to a kahl albino het for sharp.

This would likely be the "safest" albino x albino pairing you could do, as it would be very similar to breeding a albino x het, HOWEVER you would get in theory 75% albinos instead of 50$ albinos. But again you would have a confusing mess of albino genes that many other breeders would find little or only half value in.

But it would be pretty cool.

Mickey Hinkle
The LIzard King Reptiles
 
Alyssa

That is the exact set of parameters I used and, I believe, the same supposition Rob used as well.

Brian

The only answer i can give is that, mathematically, that is the way it calculates on a Punnett Square
 
Just an intersting thought though. This scenario is very similar to the genetic mix on Blizzard Corns i:e Charcoal and Anery A. The resulting double homozygous animal could definitely be something unique.
 
Back to the topic of this thread

A few weeks ago they had a baby female albino (Kahl) for sale. I offered to pay for her in installments and I was told that it might be possible as they were raising money to invest in ball pythons. A couple of days later I contacted them again to check if they were still interested in the deal. At that point I was told they had purchased a baby albino male male so they were withdrawing the baby female from the market as they were planning to keep the pair. A couple of weeks later they posted a "similar" baby female for exactly the same price. It looked like the same one to me, so I inquired if they had changed their mind. They told me it was a different baby female they had produced from their adult Kahl breeder. I asked for pictures of the adults just to verify their looks as mature animals but never heard back from them.

Regards.
 
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