Complaint about the FULL NAME rule on the BOI.

[Dennis Hultman]

I see you are correct Dennis. It doesn’t change that I think it was wrong and unfair to post her full name in this thread, or to put her full name in her profile to be displayed on every thread

Maybe, maybe not.
My personal opinion would be more inline with…..
To be respected for your wants, you most also show respect.
She showed none, she received none. Rich posted her quote as she posted it on the BOI with her name. He then provided some background with the email/P.M. exchange.

As she said,

its called the search function. you dont have to "sift" for anythign

She would have found right there at top of the board inquiry

As such, please note that I reserve the right to publish such email in the appropriate threads in this forum, as evidence of MY own dealings with YOU. Anyone sending me these types of messages, or of any other type, specifically give up the right or expectation that this correspondence will remain private, at my discretion. In such an instance, such correspondence will be considered as MY contribution to what is known about the parties involved in a dispute. The more abusive the correspondence, the greater the likelihood that you will see it published in this forum.

As well as

I know a lot of you probably are used to using initials or nicknames or such to identify yourself to the internet world. I use it myself much of the time (Rich Z). But for THIS forum please include your full name, assuming that not everyone is going to know you. As an example of what I would consider appropriate would be something like Rich Zuchowski (Rich Z), or something equivalent.

Now, I am not saying I agree or disagree, but it is right there in black and white for all to view.

 

[Cheryl Marchek AKA JM]

This thread has absolutly nothing to do with me~ or my reasons for being interested in the answers provided. I was merely being honest in admitting that I wanted the answers for my own reasons.

I wanted to know if Rich had a thoughtless moment in posting her full name in this thread in direct conflict to her known desires (though he tends to have trouble beleiving others ever post without thinking through all the possible consequences) ~ or if he intentionally set out to antogonise a customer? Or somewhere in the middle that I just don't see?

I will bow to Dennis superior reasoning skills however (not sarcastic Dennis~ thats an actual compliment) and admit that I see from Dennis's responses that Rich was completly within the "letter of the law" in his posting of her name anywhere he saw fit.

 

[LakesideBoas]

I see you are correct Dennis. It doesn’t change that I think it was wrong and unfair to post her full name in this thread, or to put her full name in her profile to be displayed on every thread she ever participated in with the full knowledge that she did not want it posted

I don’t see what purpose posting her name in this thread served……except to demonstrate that all posters are treated with the same disdain and contempt no matter their status as a new member, long time member, first time offender or repeat offender. I’m not pretending I don’t have a personal agenda in asking the question either. I want to know why Rich suddenly decides some poster or another needs to have their chain yanked extra hard for an indiscretion and then proceeds to treat them to the contempt and disdain I had previously assumed was reserved only for the real trouble makers?

This thread is not about “everyone else” though. It’s about this poster, and I’ve asked a legitimate question. Why was her name posted in this thread by an administrator of this site with the full understanding that the poster did not desire to have that name plastered all over this site? Would her user name not have sufficed to make it clear who she was on the site?

Since she opted not to sign her name at the end of each post on the BOI (thus leaving her name posted ONLY on the BOI) and gave implied consent to Rich to add the name to her profile (giving him her name in an e-mail or PM) (unfortunate side-effect being it now appears where ever she had/has posted before and since) I feel this is a non-issue.

If she really desired anonymity she could have refrained from posting on a board that required such. By doing so she became required to adhere to the rules we all must follow to post there or risk having her posts deleted; which would have also solved the problem of her name being "plastered" everywhere since those posts would simply be gone.

Perhaps I am missing something, but I really don't feel anyone got the short end of the stick or was admonished more so than anyone else who feels the rules do not apply to them. She wanted to post on the BOI. The BOI has a full-name requirement to post. She gave implied consent to Rich to add her name to her profile by sending it to him. If she does not wish it so I'm sure he'll be happy to remove both her name and her posts if she contacts him. Which I believe she can still do via e-mail even though she is fined and suspended. He's not that hard to get ahold of.

 

[PaulSage]

If she really desired anonymity she could have refrained from posting on a board that required such. By doing so she became required to adhere to the rules we all must follow to post there or risk having her posts deleted; which would have also solved the problem of her name being "plastered" everywhere since those posts would simply be gone.

My thoughts exactly. If you don't want to draw attention to yourself, don't post on a publicly-accessible forum. I think that's a pretty simple concept.

 

[WebSlave]

If she does not wish it so I'm sure he'll be happy to remove both her name and her posts if she contacts him.

Sorry, but that is not true. Once a post is made on the BOI and is in compliance with the rules, even if that compliance is made retroactive to the post being made, you can pretty much count on the post being permanent. Otherwise, if I adopted the policy you infer, then any bad guy could request their name to be removed from the system, then their posts removed from the BOI as well afterwards. I am sure several people would just love to be able to unwind that rope they wrapped around their own neck, and this precedent would give them the capability to do just that.

 

[LakesideBoas]

Hmmm...

didn't think of that!

I still maintain that she could have done things differently and still retained her anonymity. And you're not that hard to get ahold of!

 

[ms_terese]

FULL NAMES are required on each posting you make on the BOI. Anyone failing to adhere to this simple rule has subjected their message to possibly being deleted.

This is what shows in the thread titled FaunaClassifieds Forums > Reptile & Amphibian - Business Forums > Board of Inquiry™
Rules for Posting on the BOI <-- REQUIRED READING!! (updated 10/29/05). I think that anyone can make the assumption that if they don't post their full name, they will be subject to points, suspensions, or deletions. Others have had their posts deleted for not using their full name. As a matter of fact, I don't know of anyone else whose name was added to their profile by a mod. Why do it this time, especially when the member had expressed her feelings about not using her full identity online?

 

[WebSlave]

So now I am supposed to be psychic? From the time I received notices that a person was posting on the BOI without their full name through the time that I received her full name in response to my request for it TO PLACE SUCH IN HER PROFILE, is all that I knew about this person up to that point. Period.

I am sorry that some people have difficulty with this concept. But anything else I say about this matter will just be repeating myself. So I won't.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

As a matter of fact, I don't know of anyone else whose name was added to their profile by a mod. Why do it this time, especially when the member had expressed her feelings about not using her full identity online?

Just right off the top of my head,
Bill Leverton, Mike Clark, removed their names and it was reinserted for them. I know there are a few others but my memory is failing me. LOL

So everyone is clear, she did type her full name on a couple of posts (her name was already known), then asked if she could stop doing it.

Sorry. No they were advertised to me as CBB. if they were actually WC though it would not suprise me as they never warmed up or showed interest in eating

Amanda Gribben (sorry again. online paranoia gets the better of me and I go by Red or Amayon)

. Getting off topic but the lack of support from the people who said they would be there for any questions and help I needed is also making me angry, on top of the bad business deal

Amanda Gribben

Great of him to call ME so promptly and I revise my original negative assesment

Amanda Gribben

hes just great. i cant get enough of him i dont even like to put him away to digest hehe

amanda gribben (can i stop saying my full name now please? creepy! anyone can read this)

The response from another member.

Regrettably you can't as per the rules of this forum. Please notice that all of us have their names either in the signature line or in the profile. You can type it there instead of "Simply red", and forget about it.

Regards.

Her response.

thanks. i know WHY it has to be on the BOI but i really hate it. any creep or joe shmoe can read this board from anywhere on the planet and have MY full legal name. VERY CREEPY!
*shudder* amanda gribben. final post!

Well, after that first final post she hit a couple of more threads on the BOI and decided, she doesn't have to use her name any longer.
Then came her warning and the email Rich posted. Well, at that point nobody would have known anything.
Her next post on the BOI

yes well i would LIKE to be able to post as Red elsewhere and simply SIGN my name manually here, but apparently thats just not good enough and the mod put my legal name in my profile and then disabled my ability to edit personal information of any kind. gee THANKS. im deleting this account. this is absolute bullshit. i dont care what the damn rules are ill manually sign my goddamn name if i have to but i dont want it anywhere else. do ANY of you mods have ANY idea how much dirt someone can find when they have your first name? do YOU want someone disagreeing with you and then snooping and posting things like your home address, phone number, SS#, docs name, and personal or childhood history, ALL OVER THE DAMN NET? i have tried to reason with whateverthehellhisnameis but no. its got to be plastered all fucking over every post i make. THAT is not cool. i have already had one disgrunted tard post every detail about me on the net, i dont need it happening HERE. apparently im the only one concerned about creeps and assholes

Really, I’m sure we can come up with something tomorrow, with a little more substance, to hit Rich over the head with, push a few more buttons and have him blowup, so we can again tell him how lousy he treats people here.

 

[WebSlave]

Really, I’m sure we can come up with something tomorrow, with a little more substance, to hit Rich over the head with, push a few more buttons and have him blowup, so we can again tell him how lousy he treats people here.[/COLOR]

Couldn't have said it better myself, Dennis.....

 

[ms_terese]

Really, I’m sure we can come up with something tomorrow, with a little more substance, to hit Rich over the head with, push a few more buttons and have him blowup, so we can again tell him how lousy he treats people here.

Dennis, are you kidding? I said

As a matter of fact, I don't know of anyone else whose name was added to their profile by a mod. Why do it this time, especially when the member had expressed her feelings about not using her full identity online?

I asked a question, because I didn't understand why someone who was fairly new and apparently unwilling to follow the rules simply didn't have her posts deleted. How in hell was that hitting Rich over the head?

Yes, I do remember Bill Leverton doing that, now that you mention it, and the resolution was the same. I've probably blocked Mike Clark out of my memory!

 

[Cheryl Marchek AKA JM]

Really, I’m sure we can come up with something tomorrow, with a little more substance, to hit Rich over the head with, push a few more buttons and have him blowup, so we can again tell him how lousy he treats people here.

Did I not play fair? Thats a pretty low down implication to make. I didn't cruise for something to hit him over the head~ I stumbled across a thread where he seamed to be treating someone unfairly~ and I still think he treated her poorly in posting her name in this thread~ and I RECOGNISED it~ ummmmm........where did I see him treat someone with disdain and contempt recently??? Oh~ yes.....I know where.

So I asked some questions to clear up my understanding of WHY he would treat people like that. Afterall~ it wasn't personal when he implied I was the crap on his website~ was it personal when he posted her full name in thread directly under a quote from her in which she asked it not be done?

I also note~ He did NOT answer my question. Rich STARTED this thread~ he felt it neccessary to quote her request NOT to use her full name and then quote her full name in a thread HE started. Why? Apparently you were within the letter of the law~ but still~ it was pretty low down and nasty considering her user name would have made your point. Why did you feel you needed to post her full name in this thread? Did you not think very much about her full name being in the text? Or did you design to antogonise a customer?

 

[WebSlave]

I also note~ He did NOT answer my question. Rich STARTED this thread~ he felt it neccessary to quote her request NOT to use her full name and then quote her full name in a thread HE started. Why? Apparently you were within the letter of the law~ but still~ it was pretty low down and nasty considering her user name would have made your point. Why did you feel you needed to post her full name in this thread? Did you not think very much about her full name being in the text? Or did you design to antogonise a customer?

Sorry, Cheryl. That person had posted that tirade in a thread within the BOI, and rather then post my reply THERE, which I felt was warranted to explain the situation, I chose instead to post it HERE and as a new thread. In so doing, I felt it relevant to post the FACTS of the matter. The only FACTS that I could provide were in the correspondence between her and I.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Just right off the top of my head,
Bill Leverton, Mike Clark, removed their names and it was reinserted for them. I know there are a few others but my memory is failing me. LOL

Teresa, Only the first few lines above were directed towards you. The rest was just a general FYI on my opinion to all.

So everyone is clear, she did type her full name on a couple of posts (her name was already known), then asked if she could stop doing it.

Cheryl, I wasn't writing in direct response to you. I received a couple of emails that said to lighten up, it's all fun in games. I guess, I really am the “fool’ that doesn't look at BOI as pure entertainment.
My comments were in general, but also for a couple of people that have not posted on this thread, but were lurking at the time I posted.

Now with that said, I firmly believe that Rich made the right decision here.

 

[Cheryl Marchek AKA JM]

I should probably shut up while I'm ahead~ but I'm typing and I can't help myself

My questions where legitimate and serious (to me anyway)~ and I do appreciate your responses Dennis~ even it I don't agree with you about Rich doing the right thing.

I don't think it's all fun and games at all. I think it's very serious......and I"m not having any fun at all.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

The entertainment or "fun in games" was directed towards me in email. I was not in return directing it to you. Just explaining the reason for my post last night.

 

[WebSlave]

I received a couple of emails that said to lighten up, it's all fun in games. I guess, I really am the “fool’ that doesn't look at BOI as pure entertainment.

I find it interesting about the "fun and games" perspective. Yeah, perhaps I take this too seriously. But you know what? My name is on the front door, and people have been looking down their nose at me for running this place as a slum haven. So yeah, it is serious to me, regardless of what some other people may think. I suspect those people are afraid that I may be taking away the "fun and games" from them with my enhanced enforcement of the rules, eh? Sorry kiddos (meaning those people who sent the emails), but that's just the way the cookie crumbles. If your idea of fun and games runs contrary to the rules here, then you will have to go elsewhere for your kicks. I'd like to say I am sorry that I took away your entertainment, but no, I'm REALLY not sorry at all. This site WILL get cleaned up, either with or without you or your help. You can either help, get out of the way, or be MOVED out of the way. Again, this is addressed to those anonymous entities indicated who sent the emails to Dennis. And no, I don't want to know who they are and really don't care. All I have concerning an interest about them is how they behave on this site. Anything else about them is irrelevant to me.

 

[WebSlave]

Addendum to my previous post here.

OK, so I posted that message and went over to feed some of my animals. I'm over in the mouse building pulling pinky mice for feed and thinking about this "fun and games" issue, getting more irritated by the minute. Fortunately, the frozen pinks weren't quite warm enough yet, so I could come back over to the computer and get this off my chest.

Of course, I am making an assumption on what "fun and games" really means, but reading between the lines, I think I have a pretty good idea what is being meant by it. So listen up, to all you people who come here simply to entertain yourselves with, and by participating in, the "fun and games".

Take a hike. This site is not for you. I didn't set it up and keep it running for you and your silly vacuous entertainment. There are too many other people here that apparently do have better uses for what this site can provide, so beat it. Go somewhere else and absolutely cover yourself with "fun and games". Drown in it, even.

Why do people come to here, or more accurately, the BOI? Is it "fun and games" to them when someone screwed them over a deal? Is it "fun and games" that they have lost money and are coming here seeking help when apparently no one else can or will? Is it "fun and games" that they might have lost thousands of dollars and really have no where else to go for help?

And what about the other side of the coin? Is it "fun and games" for someone who might have been misunderstood, had some extenuating circumstances drive them to make a bad decision, or just been placed between a rock and a hard place with no GOOD decision to make? When they get their feet held to the fire, is it "fun and games" for them to be fighting for their reputation, their livelihood, their future in something they love, or even their ability to put food on the table because of that wrong turn of fate?

Or even when a positively bad guy is fully identified and brought to light? Is that "fun and games" to you as well? Is it "fun and games" for you as some person sitting on the sidelines eating popcorn while you read? Or is it more of the "fun and games" variety they you youself will try to stir up with no other goal then just the "fun and games"?

People come here for a lot of reasons, certainly some of them "fun and games", but for the most part, I believe people are here for more serious and rewarding reasons then those. I certainly did not set up his site for "fun and games" and although it is undoubtedly true that this sort of stuff was taking place here, that was not my intention, and NOW it is ending if I have any say in the matter at all. People are coming here for help. To either GIVE help or GET help. Either actively or by being an inactive participant learning from other peoples' mistakes that they read about here every day. THAT is why I set up the Board of Inquiry. To HELP us all in something that apparently there was no help for. To give us a place that can maybe make a difference. Maybe just a little difference, but at least SOMETHING that is better then nothing at all. Better then not even trying to make that difference.

The BOI is here to help, NOT entertain. While certainly some people may find the drama, anger, helplessness and hopelessness that some people go through in painful issues they have been subjected to, I have some issues with anyone who would get their entertainment in such a manner. I would even go so far as to wish upon such people that such circumstances will befall them so they can learn first hand just how much "fun and games" such situations are to the people experiencing them.

And the jokers on the sidelines want "fun and games"? Well I can't stop anyone from coming here looking for "fun and games" but I can CERTAINLY stop those who come here trying to make "fun and games" of this all. I WILL NOT allow you to tear down this site. I will NOT allow you to take away something that people have proven there is a need for, is effective for, and is one hell of a tool that can be used to the benefit of anyone and everyone for the long haul. YOU will NOT take that away from us.

So to all the people wanting the "fun and games" here, you are on notice. Go away or be driven away. Your influence in this site is waning and will soon be gone completely. It make take some time, as my giving you the benefit of the doubt gives way to NO doubt whatsoever, and you are excised from here like the cancer that you are. Certainly some people will regret your passing, and some people may think the good points you have outweigh the bad. But just as in some cases a limb must be amputated to save the life, that is exactly how I will treat those people who have no other business here then the "fun and games" they wish to continue and promote.

Yeah, OK, so I'm just a wee bit more then irritated.....

Sure got that off my chest, didn't I?

I guess the pinkies are warm enough now......

 

[ms_terese]

Rich, I really hate that this is creating so much grief for you. I understand that you've taken a lot of garbage over things on the site, which would make anyone defensive. I'm sorry things had reached a point that you were ashamed of this site.

Just please keep in mind that of the active members of this site, the ones that are here for the drama, or the fun and games, or to just start trouble, are in the vast minority. They'll never be completely eliminated, but there's not really much danger of the inmates running the asylum.

Many of the people that debate with you, that challenge you, that are open enough to disagree with you publicly, are the ones that care about the future of this site.

 

[The BoidSmith]

Teresa, Only the first few lines above were directed towards you. The rest was just a general FYI on my opinion to all.



Cheryl, I wasn't writing in direct response to you. I received a couple of emails that said to lighten up, it's all fun in games. I guess, I really am the “fool’ that doesn't look at BOI as pure entertainment.
My comments were in general, but also for a couple of people that have not posted on this thread, but were lurking at the time I posted.

Now with that said, I firmly believe that Rich made the right decision here.

Dennis,

You among the people whose opinion I respect the most. This is probably because of the way you address people and how you handle things. You are not alone in taking the BOI as a serious forum. Regrettably there are other individuals that had not (in the past) as well as some of the newest members. For some it’s all about sensationalism and how to climb the ladder of success. You are one step above them.

Regards