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Corey Sawyer Busted!!!!

Talk about being blown out of proportion, this is rediculous.
Corey needed the address for legal reasons, he used what means was available to him to get it.
Actions taken in such circumstances cannot be assumed to be reflective of character or anything else being claimed here.
I would have likely done the same thing when given the choice between that and paying a lawyer $500 to do it for me.

Nobody thought it was deceitful when the police told dozens of people they had won something in order to get them to come in to be arrested.
Sneaky is about the worst thing it can be called. It sure doesn't warrant the degree of hostility this has brought.
Lesson learned? What lesson?
 
Corey can wrestle with his own conscience about this, but there is one inconsistency that troubles me a bit . . .

"I apologize for the lieing to Justin . . ."

vs.

"I have no regret in what i did to get his address"

Does it not seem strange to say both of those statements? Clearly one of them cannot be genuine. I'm done.

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well?:( there is obviously something going on that is NOT being made public here? or im just to braindead to SEE it out:( ? but corey from what ive read,you have lied to get his address,and justified that by saying he tried to ripp you off,,,please explain here on this thread HOW,WHEN,WHERE,he tried ripping you off,/?? i dont know either party but i have seen corey's post here before and never heard of the other guy,so if i was gonna lean oneway or another it would be w/corey HOWEVER,,all i have read or my take on it is,,this guy is selling same type snakes as you,,and you admittingly lied to him to get his address for some legal stuff?who knows?(wont explain?)and are now apparently proud of the way you got his address,,which really stinks:(,,, because you say he tried ripping you off w/no explanation,,,to me from what ive read it just makes you corey look like a liar and a coward,,,,,,,,, thomas davis
 
ok corey i read the other thread?so this guy tried ripping you off by initieating a sale(lg.sale) of snakes that you specialize in,,,the 100 mandarins@$3500 is that it?is that how he tried ripping you off?,,,and panacur is not allowed in china hahahahahahaha gimme a break that is weak very,very weak,,,,hardly worth lieng and being deceitful over,,,you showed your true colors,,,i am greatly saddened:( ,,,,,,thomas
 
Clay Davenport, let me put you on notice that I am one for whom you DO NOT speak. I did think it was decietful of the police to lie to the idiots they busted. I think they deserved what they got, those who were arrested, but don't go putting words in my mouth, I am fully capable of doing that myself.

I did think the whole thing was funny but, when you come right down to it they did lie, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. I'm glad they got the stupid criminals off the street and I really don't care that they resorted to that means to do it, however, in this case we are not dealing with known criminal acts committed by known criminals that have been convicted of crimes and are awaiting incarceration for said crimes.

It truly is a small thing, this lie that corey told. Big or small it remains a lie.

Everone should know that what a lawyer tells you and what the facts/truth are may not be the same thing. It may have run that much to have your lawyer hire a private investigator but had cory made some calls himself I suspect he could have found someone for considerably less. And let's not leave out the fact that corey assumed that justin's boss would not give out his address and so never bothered to ask him for it. We don't know for a fact that he would have declined to disclose this information. And chances are that had he posted a request for that address here someone could have gotten it for him if they didn't already have it.

I don't think corey is a bad guy, nor is justin. I do think corey handled this in a somewhat foolish manner.

It's like this for me. Darrin has mentioned that he likes to play golf and that he doesn't lie. So, if he told me he shot a 64 at Agusta(I'm not a golfer so I think that would be a fantastic score and that I spelled it right) I would hands down believe him, no questions asked. If corey were also an avid golfer and made the same claim I would wonder if he was telling the truth. It's as simple as that. NO big deal, NOT really important, but that's where my line of thought would go.

There is one other fact that should be made here and take it for what you will- Two wrongs do not make a right but, three lefts do.

Wes Pollock
 
In my opinion the name calling is uncalled for and yes, I agree with Clay's assessment "blown out of proportion". Some of us would have handled the situation differently. Some of us have the "luck", if you will, of never having had to deal with lawyers or legal issues, thus our ignorance on these matters.

Corey needed the address for legal reasons, he used what means was available to him to get it. Actions taken in such circumstances cannot be assumed to be reflective of character or anything else being claimed here.
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Regrettably the law sees this differently. Similar crimes are labeled and punished differently depending on circumstances although they are still considered a crime.

Sneaky is about the worst thing it can be called. It sure doesn't warrant the degree of hostility this has brought.
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Yes, I agree with Clay's words 100%. But if we justify sneaky behavior, then Brandon Dyke (aka Jesse Howe?) did nothing wrong when he posted about himself. The motives were different but the action was similar. Where do we draw the line?

I believe I have never dealt with Corey nor with Justin. By the way they have handled this issue so far (even by their private e-mails posted in here) it doesn't seem fair to label them as "bad guys". It would be nice though to hear a genuine apology from both sides as Darin very well said. Life is too short!

Regards.
 
Yes, I agree with Clay's words 100%. But if we justify sneaky behavior, then Brandon Dyke (aka Jesse Howe?) did nothing wrong when he posted about himself. The motives were different but the action was similar. Where do we draw the line?
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If you look back at that thread (Brandon aka Jesse), everyone suspected that Brandon was being dishonest. Several people stated that it wasn't the right thing to do, but Brandon should 'fess up to what he had attempted to do, and everyone could move on. The difference is that Brandon went into a new series of lies to cover his first one.....Corey did not. Therefore, my stance was and is the same on both: If you lied, admit it, learn from it, and move on.

Since the police scam was brought up, let me use that as a reference. Sometimes the police have to operate in certain ways to achieve a goal. Think about undercover work....those cops lie for a living. However, those actions have accomplished tremendous good in the long run, and I for one would NEVER judge a police officer for assuming an undercover role to accomplish his task. Now, this situation is not nearly as dramatic, but neither is the action. Just a comparison. Where do we draw the line? That's for each person to decide.
 
Nobody thought it was deceitful when the police told dozens of people they had won something in order to get them to come in to be arrested.
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Nobody???

I hope they keep doing it, yes it's deceitful, but effective at getting the trash off the streets etc.


Talk about being blown out of proportion, this is rediculous
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Yes, I agree! I don't think Corey is bad guy either........ but I don't agree with lieing or excuses to support lieing.

Sneaky is about the worst thing it can be called. It sure doesn't warrant the degree of hostility this has brought.
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Must be rememebered that some of this hostility is between Corey and Justin!
 
I consider Corey to be one of the good guys in the business and a good friend outside of business. That said he does not get glowing remarks from everybody outside of business.

The two need to be differentiated, and unfortunately this is a case where the two overlap to the detriment of everyone involved.
 
Darin Chappell

Just because i apologize for to justin for lying to him does not mean I regret it. I lied to justin, he has lied to me and tried to rip me off. I didnt lie to any of you, hell I was fully honest. I could of accused him of making this all up, and you would of never posted negatively against me.


As far as any legal action, that is my business and nothing further will be posted on it by me.
 
Since I have been officially "put on notice" allow me to take this opportunity to issue a formal apology to Mr. Pollock for so foolishly including him in my generalized statement. I will make every effort to specifically exclude you in any other such statements I may make in the future. :uhh:

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Corey needed the address for legal reasons, he used what means was available to him to get it. Actions taken in such circumstances cannot be assumed to be reflective of character or anything else being claimed here.
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Regrettably the law sees this differently. Similar crimes are labeled and punished differently depending on circumstances although they are still considered a crime.
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What I am saying is many here are making a capital offense of the methods Corey used to get an address to serve legal papers, some going so far as to use it to question his integrity in every other aspect of his life.
There is simply no reason for this.

I suspect, suspect mind you, that one of the reasons for the original posting of this thread was to take an opportunity to bring the board out against Corey. It almost seems that it's been a while since there was any blood in the water and some are all to eager to jump on this one.
Had the original suspicions as to the reasons for Corey's actions been accurate, then it would be deserved. The reasons however were very different, and in my opinion in no way call for the degree of apparent outrage many are displaying.
 
Clay,

And I absolutely agree with you. My only concern was and still is the following statement.

Just because i apologize for to justin for lying to him does not mean I regret it.
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I know for a fact that Corey has a good reputation (from a good friend of mine from overseas) and it's probably a good guy to deal with. But when I read a statement like the one in the quote, IMHO it leaves the door open to "and I will do it again when I deem appropriate". Just the way that statements reads to me.
 
exactly,i agree w/alvaro post ,,,IMHO corey lied and is proud about it apparently and just showed his true colors in the whole thread :( ,,,im done,,,,,,thomas davis
 
One final coment. Although I might not personally agree with how things were handled, that doesn't mean I wouldn't deal with Corey. Actually I would have no doubt about it as he comes highly recommended from people I respect. Even without those recommendations I have seen the way he conducts himself in this forum and that by far outweighs any difference in perspective we might have on this subject matter.

Regards.
 
Clay,

I'm sorry, but I'm having a hard time seeing the "outrage" about which you were speaking. I just see people disappointed in someone for whom a higher regard was held than is true today. I, for one, just don't tolerate lying very well, and I see no justification for it here. Corey may very well be a wonderful person in every other regard, but he is willing to lie under certain circumstances.

He said that he did this in order to attain the adress of this guy rather than pay the $500 to get it through honest measures. Ok, fine . . .I understand the motivation. However, what that boils down to is that Corey is willing to lie to save $500! At least we know his price, right?

I'm not outraged, just disappointed. That's all this has ever been for me. I wish it weren't this way.

:(
 
The reasons however were very different, and in my opinion in no way call for the degree of apparent outrage many are displaying.
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I don't see outrage, disappointment and maybe some shock is a more accurate description. Corey doesn't rip people off so I wouldn't have a hard time buying something from him. He's not a bad guy, but made a bad decision IMHO in the way he handled things.

Just because i apologize for to justin for lying to him does not mean I regret it.
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This I find disappointing because in IMHO he is not appologizing at all. He doesn't regret it? That leaves the door open to the possibility that he'd do it all over again.... Lie and be deceitful.
 
The way i see it, it was a means to an end. Let's just put this in perspective for a minute. uhhhh, was anyone hurt by the misleading? Did it cost anyone anything? Bottom line I think is that this was not a real reptile deal. It may have been portrayed as a possible deal, but in reality, it was not. Corey does not pretend that it ever was anything but ameans of gathering information. Just my observations.
 
The way i see it, it was a means to an end. Let's just put this in perspective for a minute. uhhhh, was anyone hurt by the misleading?
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If anyone was hurt, it was Corey's reputation.

Did it cost anyone anything?
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Again, it would be Corey's reputation!

Corey does not pretend that it ever was anything but ameans of gathering information.
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Yes, true!

But what a way to go about it!
 
BW,

I can't say I disagree with your assessment of the situation. I think Corey was 100% just trying to get the information he wanted, and used the means he did in order to achieve the desired end. I don't think any other other intention was there in any way.

I just do not believe that the end, no matter how noble, ever justifies the means. That's my personal more, and I realize that others will differ to one degree or another. However, "putting it in perspective" does nothing in my book, except confirming that what was done, was done for a monetary gain. Some can live with it; I can't. It's that simple.

I hope Corey is able to recover what is rightfully his from this guy. I also hope he can overcome this rediculous activity.

I won't address this any longer, because I guess I've said everything I can think to say. So, I'm out of this now, and if anyone wants to address this with me further, we can take it to emails.
 
A means to an end but does the end justify the means? Just where do you draw the line? If corey had something I wanted to buy, I would. I believe he would honestly represent his animals.

Back to golf now, if he were to hit one in the rough, there is a part of me that would wonder just how many strokes he took while he was out of sight. Had I not read this post and his seen his attititude about the truth, I would never have such thoughts. I don't think corey is a bad guy. However, a lie is a lie is a lie.

I think perhaps it is a principle. Either you have it and stick to it reguardless of the cost or you don't. I don't think principles have much flex to them, they are sort of rigid from what I've learned of them. Corey's cost seems to be 500.00. I understand that. The fact that it was made public has been to his detriment. It is now no longer just between him and his conscience but out there for all of us to judge, and that is the correct word, judge, because that is just what is happening. He is being judged for his decision and his attitude about that decision.

I think that for some of us this is about more than just the relatively small lie he told to get justin's address. It is the fact that he lied at all. I think that sums it up. It's not so much corey vs. justin as it is truth vs. deciet.

Wes Pollock
 
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