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Corn morph... Oh Kevin...

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Traded a yearling western hognose for these two 4ft male corns today. I was told the first was a blood red and the second was a a sunglow. Sorry about my crappy photography. The "sunglow" appears to be A LOT whiter in my pictures because its overexposed (I can't take pics like RidgeTop), but he still looks an aweful lot like a normal amel to me. What do yall think? Blood Red? Sunglow? Normal Amel? Thanks!

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The bloodred does seem to be a blood to me, but I haven't got much experience with them, so I can't be too sure about that.

The other one I think is a normal amel. Too much white around the saddles to be a sunglow. Still a beautifull guy though :)
 
Yeah, I was thinking the same. Either way both of them are the mellowest corns I've ever handled. They act more like ball pythons and just hang out. I may pair him up with a female amel I have this spring and see what happens. Another of him, underexposed this time...
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i think it's possible that the amel may have been the product of two sunglows; but, since sunglow is a line bred trait and not a true morph, sometimes the offspring have more visible saddle borders than either of the parents.

as for that blood, i have a female that looks just like yours. she's the biggest spaz i've ever owned; musking and thrashing for a minimum of three minutes every time i hold her.
 
That sounds like the amel I mentioned above. I try to avoid holding her because of that reason. I don't wanna stress her out any more than necessary. I've got enough other snakes that tollerate handling.
 
brianm616 said:
i think it's possible that the amel may have been the product of two sunglows; but, since sunglow is a line bred trait and not a true morph, sometimes the offspring have more visible saddle borders than either of the parents.
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Both of them are very nice, I like that bloodred!
 
A belly shot on the first one would help, but to me it doesn't looked like a bloodred at all.
 
IMO the top is an Okeetee....

The second one is an amel. Sunglows have no white.

For compairson purposes.....

Here is one of my okeetee's
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And one of my sunglow mots
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And one of my Diffused (aka bloodred)
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The diffused trait will take away the checkers on the belly and you will be left with a clean white belly. Your top one is NOT a diffused (aka bloodred).
 
Cool. I thought Okeetee too, but it doesn't have the super broad saddle bands or copper background like my other okeetee and reverse okeetee. Thats why I was confused. Probably just a mutt I guess. I'm not ready for fancy breeding and genetics like yall, but I'd like to give corns a try this spring. If I only produce a clutch or two of healthy normals or mutts that brings joy to someone, I will be satisfied.
 
Sorry, but I have found wild normal colored corns from several localities that looked exactly like the first photo. Quite frankly, unless you know positively that it comes from Okeetee stock, just because it may somewhat resemble an "Okeetee" is really not sufficient reason to call it that. "Okeetee Corns" are animals that come from a particular locality, or at the very least are descendants from animals that have come from that area of South Carolina. Certainly I don't think most people adhere strictly to this definition any longer, but since Okeetee really refers to the Okeetee Hunt Club (or "Okatee", as I have seen the nearby river called) which is a specific locality, then it likely would be best to at least loosely adhere to this definition being a prerequisite for using that label.

But in any event, certainly not a Blood Red by any stretch of the imagination. But if that animal came from the Hastings area of Florida, it quite likely is related to the original stock that Eddie Leach used to produce the Blood Red line many years ago.

As for the Amelanistic, that's about the size of it. Just an "Amelanistic Corn Snake". Period.
 
Figured it was just a normal amel, but having never seen an adult sunglow in person, I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask. The white is what made me think amel judging from pictures. Again, I'm new to corns. I've always been a ball/carpet python guy. All the guy told me was they were a sunglow and a bloodred male and female in his ad. I traded a young male hognose for both of them, so I figured it was worth it any way you slice it. Both are great eaters, healthy and mellow so regardless of genetics I am happy.
 
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