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Crypto in collections

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I was just looking at Ron Tremper's book again. The section devoted to Cryptosporidiosis under "Recognition and Treatment of Disease" (pg. 232 ff.) was really disturbing. At one point it is stated that "Some gecko experts suspect that upwards of 50-60% of captive leopard geckos may be affected."
Is this parasite really that big of an epidemic? Have any of you had to deal with it in your own collections?

Thanks,

Jason Haygood
www.thebestgeckos.com
 
Jason, Philippe de Vosjoli collected geckos from several breeders and sources, and found Crypto in more than half of them. When he was asked to divulge the information, he simply stated that all of the breeders that had crypto in their geckos had been notified. On the other hand, my herp vet feels that a 50-60% infection rate is way overboard, and it's more like around 20%.

Personally, I feel 20% is scary enough!!! :bolt01:
 
hi Marcia!

would crypto be something that could be seen through a microscope on a fecal slide?
 
and will it show symptoms everytime or can it go totally unoticed in some animals while still getting others sick?
 
I believe what was said in the book. I have always wanted to take samples from all of the major breeders and send them off for full histopathology/necropsy. I bet nearly all of the test would come back positive for crypto. Back in the mid-late 1990's, crypto was extremely common, and just about every breeder had it go through their collection. I think that over time, the captive leopard geckos have built up a resistance to crypto.
 
Cryptosporidia usually does not show up on routine fecal smears, and it is possible for an infected reptile to go up to a year without displaying any overt symptoms.
 
ahh thanks. i was hoping i could check for myself as a pre-emptive measure. i had no idea it would be so widespread (didnt buy the book).
 
ahh thanks. i was hoping i could check for myself as a pre-emptive measure. i had no idea it would be so widespread (didnt buy the book).

It may or may not be so widespread. That's just a theory I have, it's never been proven.
 
i thought crypto had to tested by doing an acid fast test? also weren't the results not as accurate? False negatives can come up in positive animals. Am i wrong?
 
i thought crypto had to tested by doing an acid fast test? also weren't the results not as accurate? False negatives can come up in positive animals. Am i wrong?
No, you are not wrong. Acid-fast stain tests are only accurate when the parasite is shedding and oocysts are present. There are several other accurate but VERY expensive tests, too... but the most accurate is a post mortem necropsy.

This is why I cannot stress the importance of proper quarantine.
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Is it also true that some carier's of crypto never show any symptoms through out there lively hood?
 
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But if it can take up to a year for crypto to show and test are not accurate, what good is a 90 day quarantine? Shouldn't it be longer? :censored: :bawling:
 
But if it can take up to a year for crypto to show and test are not accurate, what good is a 90 day quarantine? Shouldn't it be longer?
MOST parasitic infections will rear their ugly heads within the 90-day quarantine period if they are going to at all.
Is it also true that some carier's of crypto never show any symptoms through out there lively hood?
I have also heard this, but am not sure if it is a fact or just speculation.
 
I have been under the impression that any parasite can be carried, and not necessarilly make the animal sick. Basically if you keep your animals clean enough they should not be affected, because they are not constantly re-infecting themselves. Maybe crypto is different?
 
Cryptosporidium sp. is an apicomplexan single-celled protozoan organism. It has been diagnosed in many species of reptile and it usually colonizes the stomach mucosa, but may be found in other areas of the gastrointestinal tract. It can be difficult to diagnose due to fluctuations in the shedding of the oocysts in the stool.



It is true, especially in snakes, that some can be found harboring the Cryptosporidium organisms, and shedding oocysts intermittently for years, but not become clinically ill. Some may shed oocysts sporadically in the feces, and yet remain clinically healthy.



Others harboring the organism, unfortunately, usually suffer from weight loss, and may develop secondary bacterial infections in the GI tract. Snakes often regurgitate three to four days after ingesting prey.



This organism also occurs in mammals, and can cause great economic losses in calves and also causes serious problems in some AIDS patients. In mammals and birds, there has been some limited success in reducing the effects of cryptosporidiosis by the use of the medication, paromomycin (Humatin, Parke-Davis), given at the dose of 300-800 mg/kg PO every 24 hours, for as long as needed. This has been shown to reduce the clinical signs, but has not been shown to eliminate the organism.



In geckos, and other reptiles, cryptosporidia does not appear to be self-limiting (which is what I think your vet might have meant when he/she said that they might “outgrow” this infection). This is not likely to occur, especially if they are not eating well, which is not going to help the situation.



My advice to you is to keep your geckos’ stress level down as much as possible, treat any secondary infections and try to provide the highest level of nutrition possible. Keep them in strict quarantine and practice the best sanitation. While no evidence has been shown that this organism can be transmitted to humans, treat all infected animals as if they can possibly transmit something to you!



This is a truly crummy disease that we need to learn much more about, as it is widespread, insidious and is potentially fatal in herps. Because this disease is being studied in humans, as it is causing problems in HIV-positive and AIDS patients, much of what is being learned about the disease in humans will most likely be able to be applied to Cryptosporidium-infected herps.

Margaret A. Wissman, DVM, DABVP has been an avian/exotic/herp animal veterinarian since 1981. She is a regular contributor to REPTILES magazine.
 
I agree, and it's too bad more money isn't available for scientific research on this subject. Crypto was very, very common back in the 90's. Many leo breeders lost their entire collections, or a large part of them. I know that at least one of the huge leo "farmers" resorted to burning his leopard gecko building down to the ground and rebuilding it, that was how serious it was. Crypto was discussed almost on a daily basis in the old ksnake forum. It is nowhere near the problem it was back then, thank goodness but of course it is still something that needs to be talked about.
 
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