Dallas Quarles, Bangor Maine (SHADY!)

[Giantkeeper Reptiles]

Several weeks ago I sold a female boa to Dallas. When he received her, he said he was less than satisfied with her (stated she had a small respitory problem...moucous, weazing, etc) and wanted a refund.

Being in a situation where we could not possibly refund the money AND pay to have her shipped back, we made a descision to refund the full amount, and let him keep the snake.

I spent a good amount of time the day before shipping checking out the boa and spending time with her (we raised her from a baby (over 2 years) ). Everything checked out fine! I however, did not feel the need to have any problems with a customer, so the descision was made to refund in full and allow him to keep the snake.

Here it is barely over two weeks later, and he is selling her http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=8&de=161624

I feel like I was taken advantage of, and I wanted to cue everyone in on this.

I COULD be way off base with this post, but I feel like I was scammed!

Take care,
Chris McAra
Giantkeeper Reptiles

 

[dqreps]

Chris?

I just emailed you back. I think you should have talked to me first instead of trying to damage my reputation. Actually, i got the snake from you three weeks ago. I treated the animal with baytril and it has been more than fine for over a week and a half. I emailed you so i am not going to go on and on. You sent me an animal with a Upper Respitory infection and i told you i would keep it between us, no big deal, things get missed. I offered to send the snake back to you, i said i would send it back and you said No, keep it and you would take the loss. I said fine, i would treat the animal myself and go from there. As i told you, the animal was not on its death bed, it had a mild RI and i treated it. It is that simple. I have a right to do whatever i want with a healthy animal. Scammed? I was scammed but made no problems. I notified you immediatly and asked what you wanted to do and said that if you wanted to just take the sick animal back and give me a refund etc, that would be fine. You told me not to worry about it, you would just take a loss. Now it is my animal that i have treated and spent the money for baytril, vet etc and i cant do what i want with it not that it is recovered from over 3 weeks ago? I recieved on the 14th and started treatment on the 15, it has been over three weeks. Maybe you should have emailed me or called me before coming on here and making yourself look like a irresponsible business man.

Dallas Quarles Reptiles

 

[E2MacPets]

Well it depends on if you think he bought it to resell and decided to increase his profit margin quite a bit by scamming you.... or if he is now knowingly selling a sick animal (or very very very recently recovered) and possibly scamming his customers.

Or just buyers remorse and an all out sleazeball for trying to make a profit as opposed to returning it to you...

Lots of options for why he could be a bad guy.... I'd like to here his side of the story before concluding anything though.

 

[bpc]

I'd change shady to $hitty. 2-3 weeks and now the snake is good enough to sell. How much was the snake sold to Dallas for? And did you refund shipping as well? If so, and he has nothing in it other than a few shots of Baytril, then I think yall should at least split the $200.

 

[dqreps]

You got a point....

I bought a bottle of baytril because i had none and took a trip to the vet. Chris, if splitting the $200 i may get for selling this animal will make you happy, i would be more than willing. This is hardly enough money to cause so much grief. Email me.

Dallas Quarles Reptiles

 

[E2MacPets]

Whoops, that's what I get for typing my thoughts so quickly... I come across sounding like a jerk (which I am) instead of impartial...

I do feel that given how recently the animal was acquired, the original owner should have been given first shot at taking it back before it was put up for sale. However I do agree that the medical expenses need to be compensated for in some manner.

If you give someone a sick snake, it doesn't matter that you gave it to them for free- you are costing them money by placing it in their care and expecting them to treat it.

If Chris wants the snake back, I do feel he should be offered it in return for reimbursement of medical expenses on top of whatever shipping arrangements are to be made.

Otherwise if it is understood that the animal is now owned by Dallas, he does have the right to do with it as he pleases.


There, that was a bit more impartial, right?

 

[Giantkeeper Reptiles]

I feel that the reselling of the animal, so soon, after the so called resp thing is an issue. I feel that she was not sick! I am definately not new to snakes. I feel there is a moral issue here. If she truly was sick, I will take 100% responsabilty for this.

I personally would also love to hear what Dallas has to say, outside of e-mails!

 

[dqreps]

Two things....

Yes a snake can be treated successfully in a couple of weeks with baytril if treated properly, easily. IF the animal is in the very beginning stages. This is done easily before the RI gets a little more advanced.

Second, i will do whatever Chris would like to do to make him happy. I dont want him leaving here upset with me for no rightful reason. I offered the animal back before, right when i recieved it. And i am doing it again now. If you want it Chris, you can have it. I just want to be payed for the shipping and baytril etc. I offered to do this in the beginning but you refused. Your call.

Dallas Quarles

 

[Giantkeeper Reptiles]

Dallas,

This post was for a warning only!

You said she was sick, immediatly upon arrival, you asked for a refund, and offered to ship her back. You did all of this the way it should be done.

Now, on my side, I feel she was not sick, I was not financially in a position to pay to have her shipped back. Yes, I gave her to you. All of these things are stated correctly!

What I want, is not half the money! I want you to do the right thing (if actually she was sick) and take her off the market until you KNOW without a doubt she is 100% percent! That's what I want!

 

[Winter]

Vet Visit

Is there a possibility that we could see documentation from the vet's office showing the date that the animal was taken in, the diagnosis, and what treatment was prescribed?

That should clear quite a bit up and allow for fair discussion between both parties.

Regards,

Lauren Rost

 

[Classic Dum's]

correct me if I am wrong but there was a thread on this guy a while back where 2 or 3 other people came fowarded saying the same thing. they sent healthy animals and all the sudden boom when he receives them they got RI. am I right on that?

 

[The BoidSmith]

In my opinion Lauren gave an excellent suggestion. A scanned vet report is all what is needed.

Regards.

 

[Casey Hulse]

I agree

Is there a possibility that we could see documentation from the vet's office showing the date that the animal was taken in, the diagnosis, and what treatment was prescribed?

This is beginning to look like your M.O. Dallas.

 

[Dennis Gulla]

Yes, you are right Jason. As a matter of fact, it appears that regardless of who sells him a snake, that snake will be ill when he receives it.

 

[thomas davis]

well?

well like lauren said and a few others,,,,,lets see the vet report,time,date,treatment,cost,etc,if in fact it was sick and taken to the vet as dallas says it was he should have no problem producing the vet report????,,,,,,,,thomas davis

 

[HerpVenue]

Wow,
I must admit...I did not read what anyone else has said. All I did was read Chris's complaint and Dallas's response.

WOW is all I can say.

I see lots of trends.
Gee I received a sick snake.......can I get a refund?
So many days later it is up for sale.

Remember the boas Dallas got from upstate?
Remember the boas that were having central nervous system problems?
Remember how he said he had videos?
and poof we get no videos......and only thing we see are the animals being sold as perfectly healthy.
I wonder what dallas did to cure that problem

then there were a couple others i will not really go into at this time.

all I can say is people send Dallas a SUPPOSEDLY "healthy" animal.
Then Dallas posts here that it is SUPPOSEDLY "sick"
then days go by and Dallas is selling it as the best thing since sliced bread.


http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25833&highlight=dallas
And the link above is Dallas complaining about his boas. He was complaining and having problems about their genetics. Only to turn around and sell them as being genetic.
he came here to complain that chuck torneta misrepresented the genetics of the animals. then on his ads he states that you can call Chuck Torneta to verify the genetics.



Chris i will tell youwhy he decided to keep it between the two of you and not post about it.
It is because it was going to be another one of those complain about it....then sell it as the best thing since sliced bread.
you should have taken a screen shot of his ad.


So where is that vet report?
So where are those videos of those animals that had the nervous system problem?
yeah that is what I thought.

 

[HerpVenue]

Yes, you are right Jason. As a matter of fact, it appears that regardless of who sells him a snake, that snake will be ill when he receives it.

Either that or he has problems with their genetics.

then he turns around and sells them as perfectly healthy and or genetic.


Same ole dallas quarles........just a different day.

 

[Casey Hulse]

Dallas where are you?

This is obviously some type of scam you have been pulling. As long as the person refunds your $$ or some of it, or gives you the snake for free or what ever else you get for nothing, you will "keep it between us". That is nothing less than extortion. As knowledgable on reptile illness as you seem to be, you recieve a snake with a "mild R.I." and you rush it off to the vet? How much did it cost? $40 for the visit and $30-$40 for the baytril? I do not think so. You recieved a healthy snake, state that you are not real happy with it and wait to see what the seller will offer. Is he gonna take it back and lose $70-$80 for shipping? Or is he gonna send you some cash so "you will keep it between us". Are you a crook Dallas? If so you should be shunned by everyone in the herp community. You need to post an UNALTERED vet report and bill.

 

[dqreps]

First, i do buy a lot of snakes so yes, sometimes snakes come in and they are sick and i treat them and then i keep them or sell them, whatever plans i have once they are treated is of no ones concern.

I am not a crook, the snake had a RI and that is it. I treated it and it is fine now. Like i said, just like any other sick animal, i treated it. This started over three weeks ago.

I dont personally care what anyone thinks, all i need for proof is my eyers. I saw the animal, you people did not. I did not start this thread so i am not the one that has to show proof of anything as i did not bring it on, nor do i care. How come Chris is not being asked for proof? And as far as the vet report, my vet does not give a "vet report" unless he is asked i would figure. The deal was done, why in the world would i ask for one? All i get back is a reciept that stated what i payed for, in this case baytril and some stuff to clean her mouth out good. It did not say anything about treatment on the paper, just teh type of animal, boa constrictor, age and what i got, above, like i said.

Ritchie this is the only snake i have ever bought and resold after it was treated. Upstate Exotics animals had problems so i just kept them and a friend took them off my hands later on. With Chuck, we just had problems that you cant even fathom. This had NEVER happened before so dont make it look like a pattern. Just because someone looses their mind and wants to come on here acting like i gyped them, with no evidence, well, what can i say, it is a free country.

Anyway, i am not interested in continuing something like this where people cant even open their eyes to see the truth, or even look at both sides. But i dont care because this is not my concern. I have a had a LOT of positive feedback on the BOI that far outweighs the negative, that is all that matters to me. Thank You.

Dallas Quarles

 

[The BoidSmith]

Anyway, i am not interested in continuing something like this where people cant even open their eyes to see the truth, or even look at both sides.

The reason some of us were asking for the vet report is precisely to look at both sides. If you had a vet report that stated the snake had a URI that will show without a doubt that in fact you received a sick boa.

All i get back is a reciept that stated what i payed for, in this case baytril and some stuff to clean her mouth out good. It did not say anything about treatment on the paper, just teh type of animal, boa constrictor, age and what i got, above, like i said.

Don't take this as something personal, as it is not. I believe the request for posting the info is fair to both sides. Would you care to post at least that statement you have? Is it on the vet's clinic letterhead?

Thanks,