royalkreationz said:
Cathy,
If you were ripped off by someone with TSE hets go to the person who sold them to you, and if it was not Damian then don't bother with his situation but rather the person that sold you the hets. Shouldn't you have the same questions for your seller about the animals you received that you have for Damian? How have you handled that situation?
My post is under Ed Braaten of Flying W Reptiles. Should make for interesting reading.
And, you are not the one I was referring to. I won't name names. Ask John (jasballs) about the way some of these people act on here. I think he would say the same thing as me. There is a group here that go after anyone they think they can get to for something.
As far as backtracking, I think the person who started this thread has already admitted his wording shold have been different. Take the time to read all the posts and see where things were taken back and comments were made to the effect of I am not saying you are a bad guy. I promise it's all there.
Thanks,
Jody Barnes
Jody,
I purchased my "hets" directly from TSE....so there was no middle man. As for what I did, I kicked, screamed (lol), called lawyers, wrote letters, called law enforcement, reported to the IFC, and helped form a group to go after Chris Johnson legally together. As I said before, I am still getting notes from folks who purchased TSE "hets" just learning about the whole issue, and no doubt there are a great deal more folks out there who have never known about it, and are still wondering why their hets have produced nothing but normals.
My whole issue here is that Damian KNEW the issue, and chose not to let the buyer know, waiting to see if the buyer would contact him. I don't think that was fair nor ethical, and after feeling the pain of being ripped off myself, I don't think ANY buyer should have to go through that, and anyone who has bought fake hets deserves some sort of compensation.
I understand what you are saying about some people going after folks for what seems to be no apparent reason (and I don't have to ask John how he feels, it's pretty clear lol).....but in this case, I don't find that to be what went on. No, at this point, I do not believe Damian sold these animals with any kind of malicious intent at the time of the sale, but to KNOW what you sold is not what you sold it as and not inform the buyer is not right. And, in more than one case here on the BOI, there have been instances of these same folks you speak of seemingly "going after folks for no reason"....and at the end of the day, or maybe the end of the week, the reason was apparent, and if it weren't for these folks doing what they do, many a scammer would not have been caught for much longer. Sometimes, that hunt is shown to be in error, and apologies are given to those deserving of them. But for the most part....the people called out are deserving of it.
And think about it....you are telling folks that aren't directly involved in the deals that they should keep their nose out of it? That's kind of like saying that you know who robbed the convenience store down the street, but since you didn't own the store, you shouldn't say anything....after all, it wouldn't be fair to the robber if you did.
As for the "backtracking"....I have read all of the posts, and still don't really see it. Jim did apologize for using the term "selling" instead of perhaps "sold", and others have given Damian credit for trying to make things right....better late than never. A lot of the words you see really depend on the response from the person that the thread is about....and while at first Damian was pretty adamant about it not being his responsibility (which yes, in my eyes, would have made him a "bad guy"), he did change his tune and decide to try to make things right. Therefore, the tone softened. If he had not changed his tune, there would have been little change in the direction of the others. See what I mean?
Anyhoo.....no sense in rehashing this over and over. Let's wait and see how things turn out for Damian and Justin.
Oh, and I'll be sure to give your Ed Braaten post a read.
