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Dan Scolaro bad guy.

Dan Scolaro said:
Harald, there is no story. Shipped 3 boas, 2 in a bag (pair of costa ricans) and one in another bag. All received well except one of the 2 in the bag looked strangled and disfigured. Buyer sent it off for an exam and the exam said it had no parasites, no bacteria, and had bone cells present which obviously came from the snake being strangled by its mate in the bag. Gave the guy back more than half his money and the other snake is fine and no virus was indicated in the other snake. All is well with it and its cage mates.

Dan
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I can accept that statement at face value, for whatever it is worth...but why, then, did you say that the report ("as expected") showed IBD?
As I said before - that was what caught my eye
I'm still not totally sure why I opened that thread in the first place
 
I can recall reading some information that stated that an animal being stressed by spine/bone disfigurements will show an increase in these bone cells in a blood or other exam. As such was the case, when the snake went out for exam, and we could only believe it was strangled, we were expecting that the exam would show these bone cells. However do not be confused with mere presence of bone cells and full blown IBD virus. IBD virus is another issue and is an easily contracted disease, and since the other snakes never showed any signs (and its been months), it is safe now to rule IBD virus and access that the bone cell presence to strangulation.

Those snakes came from a very reputable breeder, and had there been any issues with the others, the customer of course would of been compensated ten fold for the problems it could or might have caused. As is the case, all is well with is bagged mate and the other brood and this was seveal months ago. The breeder also reported nothing was reported to him from any of his stock and the others I sold are double sized now doing great.

Therefore, the nasty Chucks and Jim's of the world failed again to pick out something negative again. We ought to marry those two and send them on Jerry Springer.

Dan

I can accept that statement at face value, for whatever it is worth...but why, then, did you say that the report ("as expected") showed IBD?
As I said before - that was what caught my eye
 
captnemo said:
Hey Chuck- Any way to get a copy of the necropsy report posted? (Names blacked out of course)
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I forwarded a copy to Alicia Holmes/MooingTricycle so she could verify the report. The report clearly states in its diagnosis: The microscopic lesions are compatible with inclusion body disease of snakes.

Alicia can confirm this when she has the chance to post. I have never lied to anyone on this forum and I would not lie about something so serious. I have no grudge so great against Dan that I would worry so many folks who may have done business with him recently or are could be currently engaged in a transaction with him.

Dan viewed the same report I did and he is lying through his teeth if he says it makes no mention of IBD. It doesnt matter what that snake may have died from or what he claims he thinks it may have died from. Unless he took the ride in that bag even he is guessing what may have caused its death. It could have been strangled in the bag, it could have been bounced around to death on a fedex truck, whatever. The bottom line is that upon its necropsy the report clearly states the animal had "microscopic lesions that are compatible with inclusion body disease of snakes".

IBD.....the snake had IBD. Those other snakes have been exposed to IBD.

I would like to accommodate everyone and post the report, but this person who sent it to me stated the report and photos were for my eyes only. I've already betrayed that trust by sharing it once with Alicia. I did this so that no one could say that I fabricated this whole thing simply to ruin Dan's business or reputation.

If you must see the report you can ask Dan to post it and I'll compare it my copy to see that's its the same one. I don't know why Dan hasn't posted it already. If it doesn't say IBD than he has nothing to hide.
 
Chuck:

I just said we expected bone cells to show as the snake was strangled, so the report showed bone cells as expected. Any bent up and strangled animal would be diagnosed with IBD especially if no parasites were present nor bacteria as in the case with this snake. Siblings are thriving and all is well.

Don't worry, be happy.

Dan
 
Dan Scolaro said:
Chuck:

I just said we expected bone cells to show as the snake was strangled, so the report showed bone cells as expected. Any bent up and strangled animal would be diagnosed with IBD especially if no parasites were present nor bacteria as in the case with this snake. Siblings are thriving and all is well.

Don't worry, be happy.

Dan
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It doesn't appear to me that the snake was strangled. You say it was strangled. You arrived to that conclusion. The necropsy report notes nothing about strangulation as a cause of death.

Please post the picture you viewed of the snake so that everyone may draw your same conclusion. Please post a copy of the necropsy report so that other may see where it notes that bone cells were present as a result of strangulation.

If everything is as you say then there is nothing to be afraid of.
 
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Viewing Thread Dan Scolaro bad guy. @ 01:24 AM

Hey Muffy....you looking for pointers on how to be a professional scumbag liar now? Dan's your man!
 
Chuck:

You got me.

Since the buyer was a friend, I got together with the wife and kids one evening and we devised a sinister plan on this sale in order to figure a method to put more milk in the kids cups.

So one evening we lit a candle and turned off all the lights and collaborated to come up with some great ideas on how to rob this great potential customer and friend. We made a plan to spend 50 dollars on shipping the following day to send a friend a sick bloated snake, who paid only 125 dollars for the snake. And we also planned that the next day when he complained that we would paypal him 150 dollars, and we did. You see this way, we can send out 150 dollars out of kindness and due to our kindness, it would perhaps rain milk.

I admit you are swift there Chuck. What gave our scheme away? Man, you deserve a badge of honor or medal for figuring this all out. Gosh, we thought we would get away with it.

That email came in months ago and I don't have it anymore. I recall the snake appeared to have been strangled because it had a large gas build up and it looked like something cut off its vent such as the coils from the other snake.

What kind of life are you leading there Chuck with all this name calling and nasty investigation work which leads you back to home in the garbage can all the time?

You need to get out of the house and smell the fresh air and explain your warped ideas to a qualified physician.


Dan
 
Right, the buyer did not tell the examiner that the snake was bagged with another snake and could have been strangled. It did not matter - the man got more back in cash then he paid for it. So what is your big whoop de doo with this anyway? If he told them that, then the just assessment would have been strangulation thus not helping justify why he went through all this for an exam. Are you able to figure stuff out or are you as daft as it seems? I mean you are allowed by the administration of this forum to post, but you do not seem to understand anything or figure out anything positive. Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and email me your number and I will have the fellow with the other pair who examined that snake just days before explain how fat and robust and health it was? You won't because you are chicken and know that it will blow your entire theory in the garbage where you belong.

Dan

It doesn't appear to me that the snake was strangled. You say it was strangled. You arrived to that conclusion. The necropsy report notes nothing about strangulation as a cause of death.
 
Chuck, you really need to get this guy to post the info. As it stands now we don't have any proof. Having Alicia confirm it isn't posting the report. For all we know this animal could have come from anywhere and the person who sent report to you has it in for Dan. Not trying to defend the guy but an accusation like this needs some real honest ta god proof to back it up! Randy
 
ravensgait said:
Chuck, you really need to get this guy to post the info. As it stands now we don't have any proof. Having Alicia confirm it isn't posting the report. For all we know this animal could have come from anywhere and the person who sent report to you has it in for Dan. Not trying to defend the guy but an accusation like this needs some real honest ta god proof to back it up! Randy
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I don't need to do anything Randy. Dan has already confirmed that its his customer and confirmed everything that I posted. You need more proof than Dan admitting that this was in fact his customer and admitting that the snake did have a necropsy and tested positive for IDB? For what....reading pleasure?

I mean I could see if Dan denied it why it would be a must to have the report posted. He hasn't denied anything. He's actually proud of it.
 
I will admit that I am not highly educated on the subject of IBD (nor am I ignorant on it). Dan keeps talking about bone cells - what does that have to do with the the diagnosis of IBD? I've never had a snake posted that came back positive for IBD, but would have expected mention of inclusion bodies...not just mention of "microscopic lesions compatible with" the disease - I'll chalk that up to inexperience on my part, and hope that the vet wasn't just reaching. (I'll actually be seeing my vet today...if things aren't too crazy, and there is time for unrelated conversation, I'll try to get her opinion on that)
Dan, accepting that you do not keep boids, I can understand why you aren't concerned about this...but to anybody that does, those 3 letters are a HUGE deal. And the passage of a few months means absolutely nothing. A boa can be exposed and remain asymptomatic for as long as two years (maybe longer, if some of what I have seen/heard is true). Unless the buyer has had the other snake specifically tested for IBD, you may be premature in your assurances that there is absolutely no problem. I understand that you didn't produce it, and that it just passed through your hands...but this is a highly contagious disease, capable of decimating a person's collection. A cavalier attitude and BS responses are only going to alienate people. You may not care what Chuck, or Jim, or unnamed others think of you, but word spreads and a lot of people read these threads...why shoot off your own foot?

I'd be interested in seeing the vet report, if Dan or the customer are willing to provide it, and hearing an interpretation from one with the education & experience to provide it (if it points to that diagnosis). Until that happens, there is nothing for me to add.
There is just too much disparity in the terms being used, and the explanations aren't making any sense. (To my mind, Dan is still contradicting his earlier statement without refuting it)
If there are any interesting developments, somebody please let me know.
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critical bill said:
Alicia, if you get a chance, please confirm what I sent you as true and accurate as I presented it to be on the other thread involving Dan. Thank you so much for looking it over.
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I just want to confirm that I have definitely seen this information (Photos, and Necropsy Report), and the info chuck posted is 100% accurate,I have no question about it.

Dan, you have a WHOLE lot of explaining to do to the customers you have sold to recently, and its definitely not looking good for the future.

This makes me angry, and sad. This isnt a non issue, this isnt a joke.... its a deadly virus that kills collections!!! It makes me mad that there are people in this world that get this virus, and DONT say anything. Thats evil. Cruel...Dishonest...

And then there are the people that matter, the people that are stand up and honest and come out and tell us... " My collection has IBD, i will be testing and putting all infected animals down"... THOSE are the people that i want in this hobby/industry, not cowardly scum who dont have the decency to just ADMIT when they've done wrong. If this guys other animals get infected, its going to be YOUR fault Dan. how can you HONESTLY feel good about any of that crap?! These arent just freakin animals...

To EVERYONE who has done business with this guy, i HIGHLY suggest you go and get your animals tested... Im just sorry... so sorry for these animals.
 
"The microscopic lesions are compatible with inclusion body disease of snakes."

This statement to me doesn't read IBD. It says that a characteristic that can be found in IBD positive animals was found in this one. Kind of like saying a fever is a sign of the flu, though not mentionining that a fever is a symptom of 100 other things as well.

Was the liver tested? I think the report needs to be seen by the IBD 'educated' (not me) first before the conclusion is drawn.
 
Mooing Tricycle said:
I just want to confirm that I have definitely seen this information (Photos, and Necropsy Report), and the info chuck posted is 100% accurate,I have no question about it.
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As serious as this entire matter is, the reference to this info and its accuracy, still would seem to me to be anonymous 3rd party info until you post the name of the person who originally supplied the information to Chuck and hopefully, the veterinarian who was involved in the testing.
 
Dan, accepting that you do not keep boids, I can understand why you aren't concerned about this...but to anybody that does, those 3 letters are a HUGE deal.
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Was this posted somewhere and I missed it?

Thanks
 
The fact is that Dan stated the snake had IBD. He already granted us that as being valid. The fact that Dan does not breed boids does not reduce the risk to boids that pass through Dan's facility nor to boids of anyone that receives ANYTHING from Dan due to the fact that it is entirely reasonable for mites to come in contact with any animal in Dan's facilities and potentially spread IBD.
 
E2MacPets said:
The fact is that Dan stated the snake had IBD. He already granted us that as being valid. The fact that Dan does not breed boids does not reduce the risk to boids that pass through Dan's facility nor to boids of anyone that receives ANYTHING from Dan due to the fact that it is entirely reasonable for mites to come in contact with any animal in Dan's facilities and potentially spread IBD.
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That is why the report needs to be seen. To help answer the differing opinions on what is being said. Is it IBD or did it have IBD like indicators? What tests were actually performed? The info that the 100 lb brains need to see for an informed opinion.
 
Dan Scolaro said:
Harald, there is no story. Shipped 3 boas, 2 in a bag (pair of costa ricans) and one in another bag. All received well except one of the 2 in the bag looked strangled and disfigured. Buyer sent it off for an exam and the exam said it had no parasites, no bacteria, and had bone cells present which obviously came from the snake being strangled by its mate in the bag. Gave the guy back more than half his money and the other snake is fine and no virus was indicated in the other snake. All is well with it and its cage mates.

Dan
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LOL

so youre saying the snake didnt have salmonella either? Thats a bacteria, and it is NOTED in the Document with the vet report( ALL reptiles have it!!). Also noted is Klebsiella oxytoca ( ive been looking all of these up, to know more) as well as Enterics Which i believe is a group including salmonella *just what i read quickly, not 100% on WHAT it is* and Proteus Sp. ( anyone feel free to explain what these are, i think people should know)

I think you have NO IDEA what the heck you are talking about. ( heck when stuff like these bacteria are mentioned, i dont really have an idea either, but i definitely wouldnt go around denying there was NOTHING in that snake!!!)

You are therefore lying about there being "no bacteria". Complete and utter BS.
 
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