Dan Scolaro bad guy.

[critical bill]

Bad News Dano!

The post view count has risen by another 800+ views while I was sleeping.

Are you ready?

13,848

And even more bad news. Theres been some chatter about this on KS. Even that stray buyer you stood a slim chance of picking up is whispering about this and sharing it with everyone he knows.

This is bad Dano.....very bad.

I looked in my backyard this morning and no holes were found. No one was standing there with a shovel. I looked up in the sky and there was a jet plane writing stuff, it said "Jesus Love U". I breathed a sigh of relief, it was a good sign. Then I saw him starting again and I thought OH NO, he's going to write "And DTS Herps Has IBD", but it was just more good stuff about how Jesus loves me.


So hows business Dano?

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Well none of you loud mouth name callers ever emailed for the contact information of the other fellow who examined the boa's before I shipped them.

And all I see are a bunch of idiots yapping about how great it was for me to extend my guarantees and ship free snakes.

If you have something important to ask, please email as I will just view this later and don't plan to respond to any stupid questions.

Dan

 

[GottaLuvHerps]

its not only on KS. another popular forum webmaster has allowed this information to be posted there. and he's competition for fauna (in the sense that any free forums can compete that is). look around dan, word is spreading

maybe its time to at least man up a bit dan. we can start small. how about admitting that you could POSSIBLY have had a sick snake in your posession and maybe did not know before passing it on? is that a small enough baby step for you?

even my 4 month old son knows when he makes a mess in his diaper....the difference is that he cries to let someone know he needs cleaned up, and dan would seemingly rather sit in it and let it build before admitting he made a stink...

 

[GottaLuvHerps]

dan, give me an email address to receive the information and i will personally contact the other person. i have time on my hands today....

 

[GottaLuvHerps]

I looked in my backyard this morning and no holes were found. No one was standing there with a shovel. I looked up in the sky and there was a jet plane writing stuff, it said "Jesus Love U". I breathed a sigh of relief, it was a good sign. Then I saw him starting again and I thought OH NO, he's going to write "And DTS Herps Has IBD", but it was just more good stuff about how Jesus loves me.

chuck, took his shovel and went home. i drove him there on the backhoe. we got tired of waiting....

jesus does love you though.


kelly

 

[MikeCurtin]

As far as the e-mail, I posted my # on the board for you because I was unable to successfully e-mail you from here. Check your settings to make it easier to do so.

Also, like I suggested, it may be a good idea to post a thorough explanation of how you quarantine new aquisitions and what you did in this particular case (even short term aquisitions), as it may help everyone get a better picture of your stance on this.

Another thought (SLIGHTLY off topic) has to do with the Lacey Act. With current legislation being considered, the potential for an infected animal getting into a native snake population may be further reason for the gov't to consider taking action. I know this has not been found to directly effect colubrids and venomous, but there have been some new studies I have heard of that have been researching it. Either way, it's another reason for legislators to start ringing the warning/panic bell.

And Chuck......sleeping till noon??? I thought I was lazy! LOL....just kidding!

 

[Cat_72]

Well none of you loud mouth name callers ever emailed for the contact information of the other fellow who examined the boa's before I shipped them.

And all I see are a bunch of idiots yapping about how great it was for me to extend my guarantees and ship free snakes.

If you have something important to ask, please email as I will just view this later and don't plan to respond to any stupid questions.

Dan

That would be because IT DOESN"T MATTER what the snakes looked like before you shipped them. The necropsy showed IBD. Animals can have IBD and appear completely asymptomatic.

Knowingly or not, you sold a snake with IBD. And you don't seem to care, nor want to do anything to prevent it from spreading.

So really, even though I still don't believe that snake got into that condition in the 24 hours in shipping, it doesn't matter. It had IBD, and is dead now.

That and well.....free snakes with IBD really won't be free when they cause you to lose the rest of your collection, now will they be?

 

[Craigh]

Page 92, still no legitimate complaints.

Dan

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!! ? So pictures of dieing snakes . Reports from very highly respected colleges,
and other constumers coming forward from YOUR snakes getting really sick and dieng on them. wow you more ignorant then I thought........

 

[GottaLuvHerps]

Well none of you loud mouth name callers ever emailed for the contact information of the other fellow who examined the boa's before I shipped them.

And all I see are a bunch of idiots yapping about how great it was for me to extend my guarantees and ship free snakes.

If you have something important to ask, please email as I will just view this later and don't plan to respond to any stupid questions.

Dan

i just sent dan an email. here it is. i will let you all know if and when i receive a response.

from Kelly Kordek <[email protected]>
to [email protected],
date Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:16 PM
subject Requesting contact information
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Dan,

As stated in your BOI post, I am requesting the contact information of the gentlemen who examined the boas in question on the thread. Please send me a phone number or email address so that I can contact him ASAP.

Thank you,

Kelly

 

[Craigh]

Well none of you loud mouth name callers ever emailed for the contact information of the other fellow who examined the boa's before I shipped them.

Dan

Huh! because you meet some random fellow in a parking lot... We suppose to believe him over the reports posts..... Also what has been stated over and over you just can't look at a snake and say it has IBD.....

 

[GottaLuvHerps]

I have received an email from Dan regarding contact information. Here is the exchange at this point.

dan, i am posting this to show that you are contacting me and we are in email exchange, nothing more. i will NOT post anyone's phone number without their permission (meaning if i am given the number to the gentlemen in question), however i will continue to update the BOI of our exchanges.

from [email protected]
to [email protected],
date Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:18 PM
subject Re: Requesting contact information
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Kelly, give me your phone number and I will contact him and ask him to call you. If you don't want to give me your number, then let me contact him and ask him if he mind me giving his phone out.

Dan

from Kelly Kordek <[email protected]>
to [email protected],
date Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:20 PM
subject Re: Requesting contact information
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Dan,

I would prefer not to give out my number at this time for several reasons which I hope you can respect. He can either feel free to email me with the details to this email address, or I will call him as soon as I have information to contact him.

Thanks,

 

[Craigh]

But how will you know this isn't just some random Joe....... That Dan is having to pretend... We would like to see something that would at least hold water in small claims court... Vet records. another necropsy report.... something a long that lines....
Just not Dan Lyeing over and over with not summiting one legitimate document....

 

[critical bill]

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date Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:18 PM
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Kelly, give me your phone number and I will contact him and ask him to call you. If you don't want to give me your number, then let me contact him and ask him if he mind me giving his phone out.

Dan

So does everyone see how the slimy Dan works? He says to email him for the contact info and then he wants your phone number to call you to give you that info. What he is really saying is "Please give me the opportunity to BS your ear off on the phone". He is all alone in this folks. He is trying desperately to convince just one or two folks to see things his way. He is desperate. Don't fall into his trap.

Hey Dano! New thread view count coming up soon!

 

[GottaLuvHerps]

my solution will be to contact the gentlemen, and request that all further contacts be in writing via email. i will explain that i plan on posting the emails here for the BOI to see, and suggest highly that he come and state his side. from there, i leave it to everyone else to decide.

do i have my serious doubts that i will be contacted by anyone with any real credentials? i will not put that cart before the horse. do i still believe that any and all evidence that has been asked for repeatedly, including all photos, vet reports, etc needs to be posted by dan since he claims to have such evidence? OF COURSE! this exchange with this gentlemen will NOT sway my opinion in any way that dan has acted irresponsibly, and that this entire situation is just horrible. it also does not change my mind that dan needs to own up to what happened, and stop denying the possibilities. and it CERTAINLY will not change my mind about ever doing business with, or recommending, dan to other people. that is just not going to happen.

from the very beginning of this thread, people asked for pictures that dan took of the pink tongue skinks in question, and none were ever posted. the pictures that WERE posted were of horrible, sick, sad little animals. how they got that way, we can never know because dan refused to produce pictures. that situation is not so different from this - he has been asked repeatedly to provide solid evidence of ANY sort, and he refuses to. for some reason he believes that by someone (me) contacting this person to stand behind him that the snakes were shipped out healthy is supposed to be enough. it is not, and should not be in anyone's mind. but sure, ill bite and do what he says no one will do.

so, hopefully dan will still contact his reference, and this person will contact me. i am willing to find out what he has to say on a professional, courteous level, and take him at his word that he is who he says, he saw what he saw, and that is that. just for arguments sake really. if dan is stupid enough to take the shovel from craig and dig his own hole deeper by faking this, so be it. as with everything else, it will be found out, or at least seen through, and the masses will form their opinion.

now, im still waiting...

 

[MikeCurtin]

I for one thought Dan handled the PTS issue as well as could be expected. The question of IBD on the other hand...well that's just been one error after another. As I told him, he needs to start providing some satisfactory information if he wants to stop getting hammered here.

Like I said, the phone conversation was good, but his explanations and/or lack thereof has not been good.

 

[critical bill]

But how will you know this isn't just some random Joe....... That Dan is having to pretend... We would like to see something that would at least hold water in small claims court... Vet records. another necropsy report.... something a long that lines....
Just not Dan Lyeing over and over with not summiting one legitimate document....

Personally I don't agree with entertaining anyone that Dan has had the opportunity to coach.

I provided concrete proof to back up my story, and like you..I'd like to see the same from him.

I'd really like to see picture of his facility. I'd like to see clear photos of each room that his animals are housed in. Pride pictures..ya know? I'd like to see photos of his quarantine room. But then I remember.....he does his business from his house. Those rooms must be bedrooms no longer occupied after his children fled....errr...I mean left.

has anyone ever seen any pride pictures of Dan's facility? Ya know...cage setups and that sort of thing?

 

[Uroboros]

Mike:

What lack of concern are you talking about? IBD disease/virus was not present in that snake nor any other snakes so why pretend to be concerned or not? I did ask the other buyer if his were fine and he said they were great. Had his died from some odd disease or something, I would have froze about 10 other snakes in that room, but his snakes are fine and thriving etc.

Dan

What IBD? There is no IBD? There is PMS and FBI and CIA but no IBD.

Dan

Remember that this is talking about a disease that is equivalent to your girlfriend coming home and saying that she might have AIDS. Would there be a cavalier attitude about that? She's not showing signs of AIDS, so she must not have AIDS, but I bet you both go get tested.

AIDS as well as many, many diseases in snakes can take a long time to show symptoms. Humans can go years living with AIDS and not know they have it. Snakes can go their entire life with a URI and never show signs of it until they experience a level of stress. They can also carry IBD without showing symptoms for months. That's why this is such a big deal.

Cat:

Your comments do not jive.

If this snake had this so called virus, and you contend that it is highly contagious (as do the other experts), then how come the other snake which was bagged with it during transport and bagged with it and other a few times earlier are not sick after three or more months? And how come the other pair is thriving like the other?

Are you implying the disease is dormant inside the other snake and we need to kill it and perform an exam to see if this is a virus.

Yes, that is exactly what can happen. I am hoping that they can test for IBD without killing a snake because if that one turns up positive, I have another $1500 in snakes that may have to be put down. What really sucks is that I can live without the $1500, they are living things put into a position that they have no control over and they can die because of it.

Craig:

Cursing will only lower you in everyone's book, so I ask that you please keep this professional or else I will ignore your questions.

I did not see any mites and did not hear any report of mites from the buyer, so what do you mean about mites?

Dan

Note that your last shipment of the two emeralds, the one that is doing great and the other that is declining like the first one did, was shipped with some fly strip that I was advised to leave in the animal's enclosure to deal with some mites that you saw "near" it. Note, too, that I was not just told, "Oh, I saw some mites, you may want to do the whole Reptile Relief thing on them" as I do with new snakes, period (always assume that they have worms and mites even if Jesus Christ himself says that they don't).

I am not going to post here until the results of the necropsy come back, some time around the 28th of April. I don't know what to hope for. I can hope it comes back positive which means that there wasn't anything I could do but my entire collection is subject to a fire pit. I can hope that it isn't IBD and I don't have to burn everything but perhaps there was something I could have done differently.

And before you bring it up, I am not about to feed a hungry snake a bite-sized meal and I am not about to keep it confined in a very small space to keep it from moving around. That's just ridiculous.

I did get WC animals and I was prepared for it to not be easy. That's why I didn't come back and complain, I got what I was anticipating. If I wanted more of a guarantee, I would have spent more money and got the CBB animals and raised them. The only reason I'm posting here now is that if it is IBD, that means that there are good odds that it is coursing through Dan's house right now and he can do something about it.

And as far as the claims that it most certainly was NOT IBD as I have seen claimed by Dan, does that mean that the necropsy report that was posted was obtained from a very big cracker jack box? "Inclusion bodies consistent with IBD" Those are frightening words.

 

[ravensgait]

Erik, I wouldn't hope for a positive!! WC Emeralds are just real touchy I've dealt with a bunch of them over the years and you can do everything right and still have a dead snake. It's just the way it is, some do just great others no matter what you do don't make it.. So don't beat yourself up over that..Randy

 

[GottaLuvHerps]

email exchange so far

i have received more emails from dan, and am currently on the phone with al (and his wife judy in the background). he is explaining the situation. i am getting an interesting story, and al is a very nice person for sure. he is quite adamant about the quality of his snakes being top notch (the other pair of costa ricans that have been in question) and says that his dealings with dan were good.

according to al, he believes that the IBD scare is just that, as his opinion is that if IBD (IBT in his words), that other snakes, including his own, should be dead or at least showing symptoms. he said he saw 2 males and 2 females in person, and they were both in great shape. he has also said that anyone who wants to meet with him and see his snakes, he is willing to meet locally or at any of the reptile shows, just contact him and arrange it. he believes that if dan sold him bad snakes, why would he (dan) be so courteous at the last repticon ft lauderdale show? he said he will keep a good eye on his snakes, and that they have grown over a foot since he has had them, but he is not concerned for HIS PARTICULAR SNAKES. he has also stated that he hopes that the person who brought this problem to view has a happy ending (as happy as it can be), and that he will not bash dan only because his experience was good.

WITH AL'S PERMISSION - he has said that anyone who wants to contact him may contact him by cell phone. his number is 954-483-9475.

here are the emails. i have left his cell number in the emails per his permission.

from [email protected]
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date Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:02 PM
subject Re: Requesting contact information
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Kelly, I just called him and asked him how his boas were doing and he said great. I informed him that a nice lady wishes to speak to him about his view of the specimens he checked out. He said he wanted to buy the other pair, so would be glad to speak with you. He is standing by now waiting for your telephone call.

Dan

In a message dated 4/18/2008 12:59:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:

Dan,

Is he aware that I will be contacting him? I just do not want him to think some crazy woman is calling him and asking him strange questions. I will call him immediately after you respond. Thank you.

Kelly

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:54 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

Kelly, I just finished tracking him down. His name is Al and his number is 954-483-9475. Thanks.

Dan

i will leave this all for you to make your judgements. my opinion is simply this -

al is legitimate, and a very nice person. it seems his situation was a good one with dan, and he would deal with him again.

can i be 100% sure that this person was not some buddy that dan had arrange for this call? no. will i ever say that al's experience with dan in any way negates dan's responsibility for the current situation at hand? certainly not. as i stated to al, i believe that dan has handled this situation in a very poor, unprofessional manner, and that his reputation is being damaged mostly by his own actions (or lack thereof). i still believe that dan needs to post some sort of evidence refuting the claims of IBD, as this is something that can lay dormant for a long time. i have warned al several times about the dormancy of this disease, and told him i would keep him and his snakes in my prayers for good health.

dan (and anyone else), please do not take my posting of a good experience as my recommendation of dealing with you now or in the future, nor as a way to condone your reaction/action/inaction to this situation. i still feel you need to own up to the POSSIBILITY of IBD passing through your facility, and that you need to take whatever action is appropriate at this time. i also agree that you should provide evidence to prove what you have said as you have promised. doing these things can only help you, and by ignoring this situation, it will only make you look worse than you already do.

i told al this, and i firmly believe it - i have no personal dealings with this AT ALL, i do not know dan, i do not know al, and have no reason to be in the middle of this. I PUT MYSELF HERE. but i did it for one reason only - to help figure out what could be going on. and mainly to help the industry itself to bring to light that as breeders and business people, you need to deal with things appropriately. dan, please do this. you may not have ever had a single "legitimate" complaint, but you need to realize that "legitimate" is in the eye of the beholder. and in this case, the eyes of the other people in the same industry you base your reputation on.

i hope i didnt dig myself some hole here and that people can see what i did and why.

i have emailed dan and let him know my reply to this post is here.

kelly

 

[spawn]

The more you repeat your montra, Dan, the more people will believe it. Come on, let's hear it again? How kind you are and your great extended guarantees? One problem, you haven't been reading the thread thoroughly, or you're apparently senile. This isn't what the discussion's about.

I'd throw you a bone here, but the issue at hand will eat you up (if it hasn't already). 96 pages in and the people don't believe you Dan. If we had vendettas against you [outside the current thread] we would have made other threads. But I don't expect someone who doesn't read or comprehend as well you as to understand that. Just walk away, Dan. Before you know it, this thread will be 100 pages of disaster on your part. No one can help you at this point.