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Dan Scolaro bad guy.

Dan I have to say I been really patient you. I said I will get the anything from the lab.
So lets work together on this and get to the bottom of this. Again forget the guy you meet in a parking lot !!! You just really hard to deal with very hard to deal with I might add. But you have proven you don't want to help. So there is no need for me to keep going back and forth with you. The damage to your name is done and thats wasn't my intention of posting in this thread. IBD isn't something to poke fun at. You have risked many with your recklessness. Have a good night

Craig
 
Craig:

You are convinced the snake I shipped had IBD despite you have no proof (that is nice but silly).

And you are convinced that IBD is a highly contageous virus although you never had any experience with snake virus's and I have for over 35 years of keeping reptiles.

And since you are convinced it is hightly contageous, you are further convinced it must be dormant in Al's snakes.

Then what the hell are you guys bothering me for about it?

I don't have Al's snakes and you saw his phone number posted so why are you bothering me about it for? It's been months since those snake were gone, so contact the IBD police and get your concerns resolved with the people who might have the virus.

Why are you or why is anyone trying to implicate me in any of this crap for? I did not fall for any of this conspiracy theory crap that you guys try to pretend.

Who do you think you are kidding? Some prospective customer who might not buy a pink surinam from me because some idiot said months ago his snake had IBD? Give me a break. Who is going to care. If I tell my customers it's healthy, then its healthy. If not, they get their money back. Plain and simple.

Dan
 
Any old timers here remember Jethro Tull's record "Thick as a brick"? ... :yesnod:
 
Craig: You see, you cannot carry on speaking like that and expect me to respond smartly to your questions. This degrading parking lot talk detracts from the point. The man is older and respectful and I was nice enough to drive to meet him so he did not have to drive 20 miles north. He is a wise individual and not a beginner keeper.

You said you did not believe his snakes were healthy and if he testified to such, you would dig a hole. He did, and you did not dig the hole.

If you or anyone wishes to charge me with sending a sick snake, then bring me the evidence it was my snake that examined or else no one has proved anything.

Dan



Dan I have to say I been really patient you. I said I will get the anything from the lab.
So lets work together on this and get to the bottom of this. Again forget the guy you meet in a parking lot !!! You just really hard to deal with very hard to deal with I might add. But you have proven you don't want to help. So there is no need for me to keep going back and forth with you. The damage to your name is done and thats wasn't my intention of posting in this thread. IBD isn't something to poke fun at. You have risked many with your recklessness. Have a good night

Craig
 
Dan Scolaro said:
Something is fraud here folks.

I just got off the horn with a fellow who knows a ton about IBD.

He said if the snake in question had IBD, then it is impossible for that other bagged snake to not be showing with it by now. He also said that if that snake was bagged with Al's snakes (and it was), then the odds are that Al's snakes would be dead by now by IBD.
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3rd party info... :NoNo:
 
Dan:

I thought you were busy trying to buy some mites.

Just pay what people ask for them as low-ball offers don't work.

Why don't you ask Dr. Jacobson to comment on how or why the other 3 boa's have not shown any sign of the disease?

Make yourself useful instead of making copies of sentences and trying to mock them to make you look better as you kid no one but yourself.

Dan
 
Nora: Third party what? You want to speak to Mr. Dulin. He is a wizard at reptile medicine and research. Email me and I will give you his phone number.


Dan
 
Dan Scolaro said:
Nora: Third party what? You want to speak to Mr. Dulin. He is a wizard at reptile medicine and research. Email me and I will give you his phone number.


Dan
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What are Mr.Dulin credentials? Could you point us to any of his research publications? Would Dr. Elliott Jacobson DVM PhD DACZM know of him? Why not getting in touch with the professional that is the world (as in the whole world) authority in this topic?

It seems you are better off sticking to the "we can't prove it's the same boa" theory than bringing your so called "experts" (no disrespect to Mr. Dulin as he is probably a fine gentleman).
 
I post here for only one reason and that is to explain and clarify a little about IBD to any who have read this or tried to and are confused as Heck!

Sales between individuals and issues arrising there from are not my business or concern, but the confusion this creates about the seriousness of a very scary retrovirus does concern me.

This disease is not isolated to only boas and pythons, although they seem to be hit harder and more frequently than any other groups so far as we have learned. It has also been noticed that boas seem to be carriers for this disease much more frequently than pythons do. Transmission and the disease are still poorly understood despite having been recognized since the mid 70's. Obviously blood parasites such as the snake mite are capable of helping transmit the disease, as well as snake to snake transmission.

QUARANTINE. Learn that word, utilize it in practice; not theory. If you purchase snakes from jobbers, wholesalers, importers, shows, pet stores etc..you are buying animals that have been housed in with around and or in the vicinity of animals that are exposed to a myriad of parasitic issues, virus and bacterial vectors. Wild caught animals, captive...does it matter if the animlas are housed around both, or collections are exposed to hundreds of people who keep and handle herps?

Does that mean you can't get good animals...heck no....where do people think our captive collections came from.....they don't sell powdered herps, where you can just add water...but many who get into this hobby do not realize the difference, the difficulty, the dedication that import animals are as we are spoiled by the easy acquisition of captive animals available today because people pioneered techniques of quarantine, deparitization, breeding, etc...

When buying animals of import origin or from facilities housing wild caught with captive: caveat emptor
 
Dan:

Mr. Dulin is experienced to speak on the matter and I will speak to Dr. Jacobson shortly to obtain his view of the issues. Dr. Jacobson purchased a few snakes just weeks ago, so I will call him anyway to check up on them.

Your suggestions that I am sticking to anything is so unprofessional that it is not even worthy of comment. As you know I never ducked from any responsibility or accountabilty of this issue and even notified the other buyer weeks ago. So stick your idiotic conjecture where it fits best and grow up and step to the next level if you wish to pretend to have a professional discussion.

Again, state your motives for stepping into this investigation work? I don't appreciate someone I did not give a discount on reptiles to having anything to do with any investigation work and/or comment on these matters.

Your position as a boa seller is a conflict of interest between us because you can easily take advantage of this situation.

Oh, and you have tried haven't you.

Go back to your boasmith work and try to fool someone else with your conjecture.

Dan




What are Mr.Dulin credentials? Could you point us to any of his research publications? Would Dr. Elliott Jacobson DVM PhD DACZM know of him? Why not getting in touch with the professional that is the world (as in the whole world) authority in this topic?

It seems you are better off sticking to the "we can't prove it's the same boa" theory than bringing your so called "experts" (no disrespect to Mr. Dulin as he is probably a fine gentleman).
 
Mr. Dulin is experienced to speak on the matter and I will speak to Dr. Jacobson shortly to obtain his view of the issues. Dr. Jacobson purchased a few snakes just weeks ago, so I will call him anyway to check up on them.
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I'm looking forward to the results of that conversation. Let me know once you do it so I can discuss this issue with him again.

Your suggestions that I am sticking to anything is so unprofessional that it is not even worthy of comment. As you know I never ducked from any responsibility or accountabilty of this issue and even notified the other buyer weeks ago. So stick your idiotic conjecture where it fits best and grow up and step to the next level if you wish to pretend to have a professional discussion.
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Same words Cris Guida told me a few years ago; do you know what he is now doing? :)

Again, state your motives for stepping into this investigation work?
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Love for the hobby; no economic interests whatsoever, can you say the same? :)

I don't appreciate someone I did not give a discount on reptiles to having anything to do with any investigation work and/or comment on these matters.
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You can repeat that until you are blue in the face. I can post proof that you offered me an ETB for $50 less, when I knew it was you I never even replied. Do you want me to post the e-mail exchange again :)

Your position as a boa seller is a conflict of interest between us because you can easily take advantage of this situation.
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Flattering, but I never sold a boa in my life, have you? :)

Oh, and you have tried haven't you.
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You lost me there, tried what? I haven't even started yet... ;)

Go back to your boasmith work and try to fool someone else with your conjecture.
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Fool someone? Mine are only facts that can be easily proven, can you say the same? ;)

Starting tomorrow I'm going to be out of state for a few days so I might not be around maybe until Thursday. Feel free to take a breather... :)

Cheers
 
Dan: Ah, asking me months ago to separate the female boa from the male at a discount price and me refusing it, and then asking me to go lower on an emerald was your asking, not mine despite I agreed on the emerald which sold the next day anyway, so your claim to not getting back is shot because the snake was sold anyway.

And if you are so interested, then prove that the snake I shipped was the one examined and then we will have some basis to work on.

That boa was healthy and solid and feeding and I don't know how it got bloated in a box after 16 hours travel. I can only guess it had a blockage and or was strangled but this so called report on that snake did not find any blockage. Even so, can you bring fourth an expert that can testify that an IBD snake's symptoms include being bloated so quickly or bloated at all? I mean you posted a video of a snake suffering from IBD and it was not bloated, so what explains the bloat?

Dan
 
Dan Scolaro said:
Well like I said, the other experts claimed differently that the odd are that one or two or three should have shown by now.

And here is another thing to think about. If this so called virus cannot be detected by exam, then what is this fellow Philip mean it too a long time to infect the other snake. How did he find this out? Blood test?

Dan
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To make it clear to whomever is looking through this thread, I will not accept a free snake from Mr. Scolaro. I am fearful of the fate of the snakes I got before. I have no quarantine area, so any snakes I get get put into regular circumstance when the get here. Mr. Scolaro takes IBD lightly and does not care about it's circumstance.

Mr. Scolaro takes a high number of snakes in and puts a high number out. That means that Mr. Scolaro does not have any quarantine area of his own (PROVE ME WRONG WITH PICTURES).

The other female was put down today, I should have results in a week.

I hope I turn out to be a jackass.
 
Erik:

I was kind to listen to you keen interests in emeralds so I sent you that skinny emerald in January for nothing and paid the shipping myself so you could adopt it and care for it and I asked for no money for it. You sent me photos of it in a cage and boasted how great it was doing and how happy you were and said the vet said it was fine. You offered money and I insisted you keep it longer but you sent me 100 dollars anyway, not 200 as I mistakenly said before. I asked you nicely to move it away from the light next to it as it would cook it and you said it was fine and would do what you wanted to do.

I told you that you would kill those snakes if you fed them rat pups. You told me that you will do what you want and will ignore my advice and take things on your own. I begged you dozens of times to listen to my advice on their care and you said you would listen to someone else and felt that fatty rat pups were ok. The snake puked and I told you to not feed it for a couple of weeks and then you email that your cannot get a rat pup down it by force feeding. What you were trying to force feed an emerald that puked a few days before is not even comprehensible.

I mentioned sending you another snake because I knew you would not take it because I am quite informed that you are not confident in what you are doing there. I was just trying to be nice, but I really would not send you another snake because I am no confident you know what you are doing.

My advice now is to keep your living room/snake room clear of pot smoke and stick with cultivating pot as your skills with skinny wild caught emeralds are poor.

Dan
 
Dan first I don't think you remember but the pics you posted where older ones. You said you only had the boas 2 weeks and ship them out in FEB. The ones you posted pics of where taken in SEPT and NOV. I highly don't think you will be able to tell what snake you shipped with out photo ID but again you don't do that. Also you new conspiracy theory you thought up 6 days after IBD report was posted. After all you bsing wasn't getting you know where.

Erik I really hope for your collection sake that your report comes back negative.
(regurgitation is often the first clinical sign of the disease) copied from the report Jenn posted. So there is a chance.

So Dan if Erik report comes back positive are you going to finally realise how reckless you are and start to test your snakes so you don't spread it any further ?
 
Dan Scolaro said:
Erik:

I was kind to listen to you keen interests in emeralds so I sent you that skinny emerald in January for nothing and paid the shipping myself so you could adopt it and care for it and I asked for no money for it. You sent me photos of it in a cage and boasted how great it was doing and how happy you were and said the vet said it was fine. You offered money and I insisted you keep it longer but you sent me 100 dollars anyway, not 200 as I mistakenly said before. I asked you nicely to move it away from the light next to it as it would cook it and you said it was fine and would do what you wanted to do.

I told you that you would kill those snakes if you fed them rat pups. You told me that you will do what you want and will ignore my advice and take things on your own. I begged you dozens of times to listen to my advice on their care and you said you would listen to someone else and felt that fatty rat pups were ok. The snake puked and I told you to not feed it for a couple of weeks and then you email that your cannot get a rat pup down it by force feeding. What you were trying to force feed an emerald that puked a few days before is not even comprehensible.

I mentioned sending you another snake because I knew you would not take it because I am quite informed that you are not confident in what you are doing there. I was just trying to be nice, but I really would not send you another snake because I am no confident you know what you are doing.

My advice now is to keep your living room/snake room clear of pot smoke and stick with cultivating pot as your skills with skinny wild caught emeralds are poor.

Dan
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Hey Dan, are you really going to become a member of Rick Leverocks level 9 forum? :rofl:
 
Well, I thought I would stop by to see if there was something of substance before catching my flight. As usual the same old misinformation. You can post our e-mail exchange on those CA boas, it's a species in which I never had interest but go ahead, post those emails where I asked you for a better price. You can't? Of course, it's easy to find something it never existed. As for the ETB you offered to sell her for $50 less, now we all know why...Who was the poor soul that got stuck with that potential IBD bomb?
 
Craig:

The boa I shipped has not been proven to be the specimen from the exam so lets not start off on you assuming anything to the negative.

Regardless, the Emeralds were not even in the same place as the Costa Ricans, so that blows another conspiracy theory down the toilet. One came from another room, one came from an importer and was bagged and shipped, and the other from a friends collection.

And are you correct to say regurg is a symptom of IBD?

Then how come the CR boas never puked?

Look at that photo of them and they appear quite stout and heavy and no weight loss. They both ate great and pooped fine. That has been my contention all along - why did they not show any signs/symptoms of anything if the boa I shipped had IBD?

Why was the one boa bloated? I do not read anywhere that a symptom of IBD is a massive bloat in a snake, so is this the first time ever that this symptom ever appeared in a boa that somehow has IBD? Quite rare and unique huh. What are the odds of that my friend?

Why has the other boa never showed any signs of illness nor have AL's?

The buyer is a big time boa breeder and collector for a decade so why did he not kill the other one if he truly believed the boa had IBD?

Why did he not at least take it for a biopsy exam to prove that the one I shipped had IBD? If a liver test could do that when the virus is dormant, then why was it not done if he was so concerned the snake I shipped had IBD?

You guys are quickly pointing the finger, but don't have any proof or circumstantial evidence to even begin to piss on each other.

Again, provide some solid evidence the snake I sent was the one from the exam, and then we have something to see if others can be tested. Otherwise, its all junk writing from you fellow trying to point the finger when it should be in your nose.

Dan

Boidsmith: The only bomb is your lack of evidence before pointing a finger. You are a loud mouth professional instigator and anyone who every mention you said you were a jerk and you prove nada here all the time with your idiotic sentense analysis.
 
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