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Dan Scolaro bad guy.

Do not worry Lesh as you will always be held accountable for the 200 dollars for the dead coral snake you sent me. You can hide under any rock and will be found eventually.

first of all it was $150 shipped you moron. second of all I never hid from you you coward. why don't you come try to get your "owed" money like you threatened 3 years ago oh because you are all talk and you know you are wrong.
Joe Lesh
 
Two fingers - one in your butt and one in your mouth and you mom telling you to stop swapping them.

How did I miss this reply :shrug01: Anyways, the answer was easy and it was one, just one ;) :thumbsup: :rofl:

Only two more days and... :mah:

Baby come back, you can blame it all on me
I was wrong, and I just can't live without you
 
Dan, you messed up. The ONLY thing I was telling "the kid", is to not humiliate you unnecessarily. I do NOT agree that you have good business practices, or even a firm grip on reality.

It's Dan's world and we all just live in it. I gave up on the poor soul, I sort of feel sorry for the guy after reading all the bad stuff about him. If it's a nightmare for us to put up with him here imagine how it is for him stuck in his body and trapped with that brain of his.
 
I cant believe you guys wasted this much time talking about someone else, hes probably rolling around laughing his arse off at you nitwits! If hes that bad andf you hate him that much then why waste your breath
 
And you just resurrected a post that had been dead for over a year...nice move. I'm sure Dan will appreciate the publicity, though.
 
It's a good idea to check the dates on the BOI before bringing pointless stuff up.......

Did you just get done reading the whole thread over a years time or something? Lol
 
And now it is my turn to add more to this thread and bring it alive AGAIN!

I purchased a coral snake and a hatchling moccasin from Dan Scolaro, DTS Herps, October
1, 2009. I provide indigenous Florida venomous snake displays for education and I needed a coral snake. The moccasin, being in juvie coloration, was a second thought because it would be a good display to offer next to and adult dark colored moccasin. I paid $240 or so with shipping and of course, Dan guaranteed both were eating. Neither snakes ate even once. I offered snakes, skinks, mouse pinks, rat pinks and fish over time to no avail. The coral died and I released the moccasin to give it half a chance (in a sping-fed 73 degree river). In December I emailed Dan requesting he send me his license number because I needed to include it on my renewal info for my Florida venomous permit inventory. A new thing for us now, we have to include license number of anyone we bought from or sold to during the past six months. Dan never responded with his license number.

Recently, when I saw the same ad Dan posted on KS for "coral snake, $125, feeding on snakes or skinks", I sent him this email>

Dan,
Just wanted to let you know that the coral and the hatchling moccasin I
bought from you last October 1st ($240 down the drain) never did eat once,
neither of them. The coral died and I released the moccasin. Guess that's
why you have such a bad name on Fauna...you are just not honest.
Oh and by the way, that recent request I made to you asking you to provide me
with your venomous permit number for renewal of my permits (for the new
inventory report) that went completely ignored by you, will be reported to
FFWCC when they come to inspect me. Maybe they need to come and inspect You!
Susan Sentman


Dan responded later that afternoon with the following:

Subject: Re: Message about: Eastern Coral Snake: $125
Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:56 PM

Susan:

How old are you? You did say you had a permit so you must be at least
over 18 correct? Your email looks like a 8 year old wrote it.

Regardless, it's sad to hear that you failed with two great snakes. Since
both ate great here and were in perfect health when reported as received,
it can only be determined that you did not provide proper care and
obviously did not seek me out for advice (which is part of their proper care). I
ship the best of the best animals for repeat business. To think otherwise
is counter to good sales and business relations and anyone who would think
that way is either stupid or daft so I hope you made a mistake in your
judgement this time.

I would strongly suggest for the future that should you find it difficult
to feed any animal that you should contact the seller immediately for some
experienced advice verses allowing any animal to suffer from starvation.
Not trying to be harsh, but I feel bad for the animals and not you as they
obviously suffered from your improper care. And its not legal or good to
release snakes so that was not a good idea either to let it go. All of these
cottons ate runt hopper sized mice and they never skipped a single meal
and all are doing great. The advice given before and now was to ensure their
feeder rodent had hair on it as pinks did not work. Had you any issues
reported with the one I sent you, I would of been happy to give some tips or
send a replacement for free. But how am I to know you are failing if you
do not tell me? And then you have the gall to email 4 months later with
some childish words about complaining. How old did you say you were? Why
did you never contact me? Sounds all too suspect. And if something stinks
like a fish, then its a fish. All of these ate great but only ate runt
sized hoppers in a six inch deli cups left overnight. It was often good to tap
the cotton with the hopper so it would bite it and then leave it there and
they ate it hours later or overnight. I sent others to zoos and
educational facilities and can provide names if you wish to check as theirs are ALL
doing great. Call Eric at the Charleston Aquarium received a great one
just last week and it is doing just fine.

And as you know, there has never been any legitimate complaint registered
with my account on kingsnake.com. And the herp world knows that fauna is a
joke in itself so if you are trolling there then that is not saying much
for yourself as the place is nothing but idiots and morons who do nothing
less than jump to bad conclusions without reading the facts. And any bogus
thread on my name clearly reads/shows how I was sweet and kind to extend the
guarantee above and beyond the term of sale for great customer
satisfaction. So its all great for business and I've sold more stuff based on those
so called bad threads then perhaps advertising elsewhere. Free
advertisement is great right? LOL. I've had several thousands of great sales and a
very few illegitimate complaints (like yours), and I am quite content to keep
working hard for repeat business and expand my great collection of rare
reptiles to maintain the best collection of herps in the world. I have
transacted several thousands of sales and had less than 10 bogus complaints and
that is the best track record of any company. Yes, I am the best of the
best and work hard at it because I love the animals and come down hard on
folks who abuse or neglect animals so forgive me if I am coming down hard on
you because I can only suspect that the animals starved and suffered.

As to your other bogus complaint about the permit, why look worse yourself
and be childish and complain now when you obviously did not telephone or
make any attempts to obtain a copy of my permit? I do not recall your email
as I go through 2-300 emails a day. And you obviously did not follow up
or did not telephone etc, so if you still require a copy then write me a
letter asking for it as your email will be blocked after this response. And
the state can look up my number as its under my name so just give them my
name and that will suffice to abide by the law.

Sadly for you, I do not trust your skills are worth risking on doing future
business as your care techniques seem to lack experience as does your
communications skills lack tact and experience. The only real concern here is
that you are allowed to possess a permit and I do not think you are
qualified.

Again, I feel sad that the animals suffered and would strongly recommend
you hone your keeper skills before taking on any new animals. And to think
I offered you a dozen or so other cottons for free if you could find them
good homes etc and this is the gratitude I receive from you.

It appears that you treat people like dirt and it's only a testament about
how you obviously treat animals.

Perhaps you should wash your attitude out with soap among other things.
And think before you vote.

Dan

This is the classic immature response to a criticism. The subject conjures up all kinds of negative comments, insults and defects in character of a person that he has never even met to show that it is THAT PERSON'S fault and not his. The classic blame it on somebody else escape route. We will never get an honest response out of a person like Dan Scolaro...he will continue to collect wild-caught animals and offer them for sale claiming they are feeding well.
Best advice is not to buy from him!
 
Susan I am with Dan on this one you should of contacted him.Alot of aggie babies require just what he said something with hair.A coral requires complete privacy period and are not suitable for display unless you possess a group of them and rotate them out only and only after they are solid feeding.Also you purchased the animals at the end of the season when most snakes are shutting down.Some snakes need special attention I am raiseing a lot of new born vipers that have to be tease fed period no other way until they are ready to go it on there own.NEVER RELEASE A CAPTIVE SNAKE PERIOD YOU WERE WRONG TO DO THAT NO TELLING WHAT YOU INTRODUCED TO THE NATURAL POPULATION.Dan can not defend himself here that is also not fair.I keep corals and cottons .I would never put a coral on a open display period to risky for the snakes life they stress and die quickly period..I agree with everything Dan said and I have a few more complaints with your ability myself...Archie
 
I've got a question to throw out there:

Regardless if Susan was a complete idiot (I am not saying so) and had never dealt with hots ever before and was completely in the wrong, why would Dan act like an ass (as he always does when he is caught doing something wrong) if he was right? :shrug01: I'm sorry, but everyone who questions Dan or his animals can not always be in the wrong. Dan should try growing up and acting like an adult instead of a child who has a temper tantrum when he is confronted. :mah:

Nonetheless, I do not agree with the release of the animal. :NoNo: I believe there may have been a better way to have dealt with the non-eating issue such as posting in the Venomous discussion forum asking for advice.
 
Archie, I have been providing (occasional, maybe 3-4 times a year) educational venomous displays for nearly 20 years and in all that time, I have never had a coral snake "stress out and die".

The coral I purchased from Dan was offered snakes (ringneck, crown snake, non-feeding corn hatchlings), skinks and several types of rodents. The baby moccasin was offered all variety of rodents (yes, small "furred" fuzzies too) alive, pre-killed and frozen-thawed. I have a large breeding population of both rats and mice, so I can offer any size.

The coral was kept in a dark, quiet, isolated environment and refused to eat from the beginning. I have lots of experience keeping these animals and I just feel that this coral came directly from the wild. It was extremely odd for the baby moccasin not to eat as they are usually pigs, but he never ate once. I even bought minnows for him!

As far as the ethics of releasing "captive" animals.....my question would be ...are these really captive animals if they were recent captures? I have the feeling the animals I received from Dan came directly from the wild. With many years experience retrieving EDBs, corals and moccasins from residential developments, I learned that most often they would not eat. Is it really fair to the animal to collect it from the wild today and tomorrow refer to it as a "captive" animal? And then say "you can't release that captive animal into the wild?

You mention this not being fair to Dan because he can't defend himself here. Why is that? I recall reading in a thread that Dan is banned, but I don't know why. I am not surprised.

As far as contacting Dan when the snakes did not eat.....what makes you think he would have answered??? He never responded to an email I sent him politely asking for his permit number. If this guy is selling wild-caught snakes and he gets an email saying "...it's not eating", do you really think he's going to respond? I doubt it!
 
Although I can understand this being somewhat of a gray area as to the ethics of the situation, I would say that there really is no way for anyone, even for Dan (not that he could he trusted with anything he says anyway) to know where that animal came from as he probably acquired it from someone else who very well may have told him it was CBB. On the other hand Dan very well could have just gone out to his backyard and picked it up and sold it. The thing is that Cottonmouths have a decent range here in the states and even if that snake were to have come out of the wild as Susan believes there really is no way for her to know where exactly from that range it was acquired from as a result she very well could be releasing an animal that came from a very different and far away population as the one from her local population in which it was released which in effect would be mixing gene pools and isn’t a good idea. As a result I would say that the release should be discouraged and if FFWCC think about it just a little they will probably say the same thing. Just my opinion but this is my view coming from an ecological standpoint.
 
As far as this not being fair because Dan can't defend himself - does that mean that all his existing threads should be locked, along with any new ones that pop up?? (not gonna happen, btw). Dan is banned only because he couldn't seem to function within the rules of this forum...but, for whatever it is worth, the email reply provided by Susan was typical of what Dan would have posted here...except we only had to read it once, lol.

It is quite possible that Dan WOULD have responded if you had contacted him about a problem with the animals, Susan; however, I think it would have been a toss of the coin which way his response would have gone. You could have gotten Helpful Dan, and genuine effort to resolve your problem; or you could have gotten The Other Dan, and basically been called an idiot and chastised for your lousy husbandry and lack of knowledge about the animals you purchased.
(BTW, mentioning Fauna to Dan is like an automatic bump to bad customer status. Best to skip that until you've seen which Dan is going to respond and how)
 
As far as this not being fair because Dan can't defend himself - does that mean that all his existing threads should be locked, along with any new ones that pop up?? (not gonna happen, btw). Dan is banned only because he couldn't seem to function within the rules of this forum...but, for whatever it is worth, the email reply provided by Susan was typical of what Dan would have posted here...except we only had to read it once, lol.

It is quite possible that Dan WOULD have responded if you had contacted him about a problem with the animals, Susan; however, I think it would have been a toss of the coin which way his response would have gone. You could have gotten Helpful Dan, and genuine effort to resolve your problem; or you could have gotten The Other Dan, and basically been called an idiot and chastised for your lousy husbandry and lack of knowledge about the animals you purchased.
(BTW, mentioning Fauna to Dan is like an automatic bump to bad customer status. Best to skip that until you've seen which Dan is going to respond and how)

Helpful Dan? There is an oxymoron if I have ever heard one. :rofl:
 
My biggest problem was the release.This can dessimate a local population it is not ever a good idea and illegal in most states.Some snakes need special attention haveing so many corals in so many years what happend to the rest.All corals come from the wild period there is no market in match stick sized offspring.As well you never contacted Dan to tell him the problems.He can be an ass but if approached for help he will do it.No Dan should not have the luxery of haveing his threads locked they provide hours of enjoyment when I am bored.If you have a problem with a snake that is fragil by nature does not warrent a bad guy report.Any coral is risky.I have one now it has not eaten yet .I know it will in time and I got it from a very well known person he did not want to let it go and I insisted on it.If that snake dies it is my fault from my greed wanting it.For me to complain is just ludicriss It ate for him I know as he said so.If it wont for me Then I changed where it was comfotable and take all blame.
 
Well, most of this thread should be moved to an Ethics and Politics section of the forum...

I have 2 cents to offer!
As for Dan, while the reports are varied, I have made a couple of purchases (not realizing this thread existed or thinking to look for it) from him and they each went fine. I received what I ordered in good condition except for one lizard, which Dan replaced since I contacted him asap on arrival. I would also be inclined to buy from him again based on my experience. Perhaps what he emails to people or posts online can be ...a little much or overboard? But posts like that I could care less about- I was making a purchase from him not trying to make a new friend as well.

In the situation mentioned in recent posts, releasing an animal into the wild based on an assumption that its wild is wrong-o, no matter how you look at it. As for coral snake and mocassin not eating- it was not mentioned what mocassin it was- mocassin is a common name that could be a cotton mouth or a copperhead. Both that and the coral snake could have been fed other items (I have started them on frogs just fine, then anoles and mice) that were not tried apparantly, or force-fed until they came around. The reason "it just wouldn't eat" is a poor excuse to me- almost any animal will eat if its in the right conditions and handled accordingly unless it was already so thin and obviously near death, which in this case it apparantly was not.

:) Peace to all.
 
Well I think there's quite a few people that have similar experiences to yours Matt otherwise Dan wouldn't still be in business. It does appear however that when dealing with Dan every encounter or deal is very much like rolling the dice. Sometimes you come out ok and sometimes you come out not so ok (really it's more like ok and just plain god awful when it comes to him). I would just say be careful when dealing with him. In my personal experience from our business deal he really tried to take me for quite a bit of money and even the FBI ended up getting involved so I wouldn't buy from him again.
 
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