Danielle Fields...No Problems

[lizardsister2]

Okay that last post obviously should have ended in the word dealings. I am quite southern but I do promise I know there is a g in the word dealings even if I don't pronounce it

 

[Cat_72]

It IS his right. No one has denied that. He can post whatever he wants. We tried your method of posting, "I'm glad it worked out for you....blah, blah, blah"...

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I'm glad that you got your order as expected, but by continuing to support liars, thieves, and scumbags, people like you who continue to support them only enable them to keep ripping other people off.

But when someone is going to recommend buying from people who are proven liars, thieves, and scumbags, it DOES call into question his ethics as well.

 

[lizardsister2]

I disagree. It's possible that the fact that he waivered back and forth on whether he would recommend them calls his honesty into question. However, all he's really saying, as I understand it, is that his own experiences were positive and do not support any allegations of unethical business practices. He never said he agreed and believed that these people kill animals and cheat customers and he's totally in support of that. Nobody else has to support this seller if they don't want to but if he wants to believe things are being handled differently there because of his positive transaction and share that opinion with others then he can. If you want to share an opposing opinion you can and you have. The only thing I find inappropriate is attacking him for having an opposing opinion and saying that since he claims to have had a good business dealing with these sellers with bad ethics he must therefore have bad ethics. Someone's opinion of someone else should not lead to accusations about unethical practices. Those accusations should be saved for situations when you have evidence of this person's unethical business dealings. That's what the BOI is supposed to be for, not a bunch of name calling based on personal opinion.

 

[ravensgait]

Okay, now I don't post here often and I don't personally have any experience with any of the parties involved here, but it seems as though this has gotten out of hand. Whether or not he has lied about willingness to do business with them he has a right to post his opinion. He did business, did not share the experience of other members, got exactly what he wanted and has no personal reason not to recommend them to others and he's sorta being attacked for that. If anyone wants to research this seller on the BOI they will certainly do so and they will find several negative threads and one positive one. They will weigh what they've seen and make a decision. I thought the BOI was to share information not to try and force people who post their experience with a seller into agreeing with your opinion with the seller. Maybe it was foolish to buy from these people. Maybe it would be foolish to buy from them again or recommend them to someone but if he had a positive experience with them and wishes to do business with them or share his experience that is his right. IMHO it is not appropriate to attack someone for expressing a different opinion based on personal experience. What should have happened is that he would post his experience. One or two of you would reply to it with something along the lines of "I'm glad it worked out but I still would warn anyone buying form this seller because of previous experiences A, B, and C" maybe someone would post a link to other BOI threads and it would be done. As it is this conversation has sorta deteriorated into name calling of a person who isn't actually the person accused of unethical business dealins.

Gotten out of hand?? I just see David trying to defend his not caring who is a thief as long as they don't rip him off. No one has tried to prevent him or anyone else from stating their opinion but if you post your opinion here and some disagree with it don't they have the same right to tell you what they think of your opinion ??? Just as you seem to disagree with us stating our opinions of David and his ethics yet you seem to feel that now yours and Davids are the only ones that matter and proceed to tell us how we should post on the BOI, there is a word for that ya know.

Kara your opinion is just that your opinion and if you want to type it here go for it, you and everyone else are free to do so. Just don't get bent when some disagree with your opinion and do the same thing and type it here. In your post you tried to tell us how we should respond to David and I have to wonder why you would do that??? One thing about the rules here is that they are left sort of lax so that people can be taken to task for what they say and do. We can be a bit hard on some folks in hopes that they will show us more of who they are such as David here has done by admitting he doesn't care who rips you or anyone else off, as long as they don't rip him off he's all fine and dandy with that. Read my post above would you want to do business with someone who doesn't care? would you be worried they'd just as soon rip you off ? That's what people here are upset with David for and I really am bothered that neither you nor David seem to get that. Randy

 

[Cat_72]

Kara, you seem to have missed the point almost as badly as the OP did.

If he would have posted, stated that he got his order as expected, fine. I'm glad he got lucky and got what he paid for. No one is finding ANY fault with that. BUT....he went on to say that he WILL be ordering from them again, and that he doesn't care if they rip people off. Even though he claimed he would never do business with someone who had ripped people off. THAT is what we took issue with.

If he knowingly wants to do business with people who have ripped people off, killed animals by their crappy shipping practices, and have to keep changing names to find new victims....how does that NOT say something about his ethics? He seems to not care how many people get ripped off, as long as he gets what he wants....that's fine ethics to you? There are hundreds of other people he could probably get the same type of animals from....HONEST people who actually work for their money instead of stealing the money that others have worked hard for, yet he's choosing to send more money to thieves, and that doesn't speak of his ethics?

Interesting view of ethics, indeed.

 

[lizardsister2]

Okay I suck at finding quotes from earlier posts and inserting them so someone else can find it if they wouldn't mind, but I thought I read that his stance wasn't that he knew they were unethical and would do business with them anyway. In his second post he basically says he believes their practices may have changed and that he can only base his opinion of someone on his own experiences with them not on the experiences of others. He never says I fully support customer cheating, animal killing scumbags.

And of course I would never want to censor anyone from saying what they think they should, I was really more offering advice. I'm not a regularly posting community member like some of you. I don't know you all personally or have personal experience with all of you like some members do. I browse fauna for ads and post on forums for advice and check the boi to find out whether or not I should buy from someone.

To someone like me, and I know many others who use fauna for the exact same purposes, the beginning of this thread was useful. One guy posts positive, others disagree citing evidence, very good. If I was a buyer doing research on this seller I wouldn't chance it. However, after that it gets muddy. Is this other guy or is he not unethical just for supporting the seller and not supporting the negative claims of others against the seller? Is it fair for people to accuse someone of being unethical without evidence of their own business practices? Does the name calling and accusing call into question the integrity and professionalism of others posting? When it deteriorates to name calling, accusing etc can I (the researching buyer) still trust the opinions posted?

Again IMHO these posts are much more helpful when names like scumbag, friendly little phrases like "there's a word for that", and accusations against someone's ethics with no evidence of unethical transactions distract and muddy the waters. I assume your goal was to reply to this thread in a way that warned innocent buyers against buying from an unethical seller. That goal was very well accomplished in the beginning of the thread without confusing things with name calling and by accusing the person who posted the thread instead of the unethical buyer.

It's just constructive advice about what I think would be the most helpful as a user of fauna, no more no less, take it or leave it, but please don't bother getting offended or upset. That was not my intent and I really see no reason for it.

 

[E2MacPets]

The issue is that the buyer purchased before knowing that Danielle Fields and Mike of Rainforest have changed their business name but continue to scam and defraud. He acknowledged that if he had known their reputation he never would have bought from them. He then continues on to say he will do business with them again.

He contradicts himself on where he stands in terms of supporting scumbags. He no longer cares about reputation, only personal experience. And as such he declares that he will continue to do business with known fraudsters.

 

[SPJ]

The issue is that the buyer purchased before knowing that Danielle Fields and Mike of Rainforest have changed their business name but continue to scam and defraud. He acknowledged that if he had known their reputation he never would have bought from them. He then continues on to say he will do business with them again.

He contradicts himself on where he stands in terms of supporting scumbags. He no longer cares about reputation, only personal experience. And as such he declares that he will continue to do business with known fraudsters.

That about sums it up.

 

[HopingForBabies]

Thans alot lizardsister for seeing my side.I come on to post my experience,and I get attacked.I didn't tell anyone to buy from them and if I want to buy from them,thier opinion will not stop me.I wonder if the people posting have actually dealt with them or just jump on here to start trouble.As you can see by my post count,I don't say much either.I am not on here to stir up trouble.If all they have is some posts,without proof,why would I believe Danielle is a scammer.With how well everything went for me,I have no reason to believe otherwise.Maybe they just have a personal issue with Danielle and Mike.If you look at Cat 72's post history,she has alot of BOI posts.I bet 99% of them have nothing to do with her.She just likes to run her mouth.Or she is very stupid and is very easy to rip off.

 

[E2MacPets]

David, Danielle denied IN WRITING that she was associated with Mike. I've posted that email before, I believe. Don't you think that a company that lies about who owns it is one giant red flag? Don't you think that a company that changes names and lies about ownership of the new company has something to hide?

You're supporting a very shady business that actively deceives its customers.
You're supporting a company that may not have even had the snakes in stock before you placed your order, it has been noted before that they sell off of wholesale lists.

Why not buy from a reputable breeder?

 

[HopingForBabies]

Do you think everybody that sells reptiles,produces everything they sell?They all buy wholesale and resell them.I'm sure they have sold to hundreds,if not more,people in the few years they have been in business,and there are what six posts about them.I think six out of hundreds ain't to bad of a record.You can't please everyone.You are only seeing the bad.I had a good deal,I have no reason to believe they ripoff everyone.

 

[ravensgait]

Steven, I think we are wasting our finger energy with David, he either isn't smart enough to understand what we are trying to tell him or just really doesn't care who gets ripped off as long as it isn't him.

By the way David I know that reading comprehension isn't one of your strong points but if you go back and read you'll see that yes some of us have dealt with this scum before.

Kara, no need to keep typing ''IMHO" as anything anyone post here is just their opinion.. I really doubt that anyone got upset or took anything you posted personally. I think some of us are of the opinion that like David you missed the point by so much that you didn't even notice the contrails miles above your head. I'll say this again for you, yeah I know it has been said a number of times but you and David still don't seem to comprehend it.. It isn't that David did business with this scum before he knew they were scum ! Our problem with him is that even now that he knows what these people are about he has stated more than once that he'd do business with them again IE support known Scammers. He has also stated that he doesn't care that these people have stolen from others and caused the illness and deaths of animals ETC ETC , that in his book they are A OK with him. Now I have to ask you Kara do you feel the same way as our boy David here does?? from what you've posted here one has to wonder about that question... Randy

 

[ravensgait]

OK David I'll just say it your Dumb,, what makes you think they have sold hundreds of animals?? they are Jobbers, They sell animals that other people have and get a percentage of the sale, they don't keep most the animals they sell. they have only been in business a couple years if that and I believe I was if not their first one of their first customers. I bought two animals one they shipped to me in June from Fl. to Texas in a box with a heat pack. Now I know your slow but think about how hot it is in Fl and TX. in late June and now add in a heat pack and think about how hot it was in that insulated box. The Chondro was pretty well baked when he got there as he was sitting right on top of the heat pack. Now guess what when I contacted them about it they went poof never replied nor sent me the other Chondro I bought. Now you say these people are good guys in your book and that you don't care who they rip off or what they do to the animals they ship.. Now give this some thought, I know it's hard for you but try. What do you think my opinion of you is? If you guessed slim or something like that you guessed right. I'll let you in on something else I'd bet big money that I am not the only person here with pretty much the same opinion of you.


Here you are likely new to this hobby and have shot your feet to tatters all in one thread, you've shown anyone who looks what you are all about. Good luck trying to sell anything but then again you could do like your buddies and just change your name every now and then... Randy

 

[HopingForBabies]

Wow....you got a lot of BOI posts too.I can see your a trouble maker tor your not too smart either.Show me your proof.From seeing how you are,your opinion on here doesn't seem worth much.As for Kara,she sees it like a Normal person.You have not proved to me that they are "scammers" and "scumbags",so how can you say I support them.It seems like you guys put your noses in everyones business,and post on every BOI posts because you like to be noticed.What do you have against them......you can't keep an animal alive?

 

[hhmoore]

If you look at Cat 72's post history,she has alot of BOI posts.I bet 99% of them have nothing to do with her.She just likes to run her mouth.Or she is very stupid and is very easy to rip off.

You're lucky I'm on vacation, because you are really getting on my nerves...posting crap about valued, knowledgeable members, when you clearly haven't got a clue, is not going to help your case.
Just because people have a high post count, doesn't necessarily mean that that they post extensively on the BOI. There are actually discussion forums here, too, in case you hadn't noticed, and many members spend more/most of their time there.

You want to continue to purchase from Danielle Fields (formerly known as Rainforest Reptiles) - go for it. None of us really care...
but don't come around whining if you get ripped off.

 

[BryonsBoas]

You're lucky I'm on vacation, because you are really getting on my nerves...posting crap about valued, knowledgeable members, when you clearly haven't got a clue, is not going to help your case.
Just because people have a high post count, doesn't necessarily mean that that they post extensively on the BOI. There are actually discussion forums here, too, in case you hadn't noticed, and many members spend more/most of their time there.]/quote]

All the extra words on the main page confused him.
If he had bothered to research the people he condemns then he wouldn't have much to talk about outside of buying from scumbags.

You want to continue to purchase from Danielle Fields (formerly known as Rainforest Reptiles) - go for it. None of us really care...
but don't come around whining if you get ripped off.

Let him come back when he gets burned. I think a few " Told you so's " would be in order. Maybe even a laugh , perhaps a chuckle or two. We could even hang our heads and murmur " dumbass " over it.

 

[spawn]

If all they have is some posts,without proof,why would I believe Danielle is a scammer.With how well everything went for me,I have no reason to believe otherwise.Maybe they just have a personal issue with Danielle and Mike.

You're just digging yourself a hole. I dealt with them too, but since I have no proof (emails deleted from over a year ago), I will not go into it to abide by forum rules. The fact that they're known for scamming doesn't seem to bother you. When people say "known", we mean more than ten people believe so. Surely you don't think everyone is crazy enough to make up the lie because they "want to be noticed".

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Wow....you got a lot of BOI posts too.I can see your a trouble maker tor your not too smart either.Show me your proof.From seeing how you are,your opinion on here doesn't seem worth much.As for Kara,she sees it like a Normal person.You have not proved to me that they are "scammers" and "scumbags",so how can you say I support them.It seems like you guys put your noses in everyones business,and post on every BOI posts because you like to be noticed.What do you have against them......you can't keep an animal alive?

He had a transaction with them since you asked.

I wonder if the people posting have actually dealt with them or just jump on here to start trouble.

Secondly, he is a forum moderator and as such should have a lot of posts.
I can tell you out of all his and Cat's posts they have never made a statement that would cause me to think twice about doing business with them. On the other hand, some can reach that questionable status by their twentieth post.

Although the BOI is the main draw for this site they post in the other forums here as well and contribute to this site.

 

[ravensgait]

David, if your last post wasn't so pathetic it would be almost funny. You mention Cat's and mine post numbers which I think averages out to around 5 post a day for Cat and somewhere around one for myself. We both post here on the BOI as well as elsewhere on this site. Here on the BOI we both work at trying to expose Scammers and rip off artist and help people recover money and animals ETC, in the forums we both offer advice and help those who have questions when we can. Now lets look at your post, as of a few seconds ago you had made 22, every one of which has been made here on the BOI and most in this thread supporting a known Bad guy. Sort of interesting don't you think! That you alone take it upon yourself to defend these Scammers and animal abusers says volumes about your integrity and values or lack there of. So keep on a typing that hole you've dug yourself in your dung heap only gets deeper and deeper. So come on and enlighten us with more of your prose.

 

[HopingForBabies]

Look at how many posts I had before I met up with the crime fighting"super Heros" of Fauna.I am sure the world is a much safer place now.You should get a medal or something.