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A deal gone bad.


East TN reptiles. Last night I came to an agreement with David Derrick of $450.00 for a 4.5 foot female hypo. He asked if I could send the M.O. overnight the following day which I did of the amount agreed upon. I came home from work to an email about how he sold the snake. I emailed him and got a response saying that he thought I wanted more pictures and wanted to wait on the snake. I checked my email I wrote to him and I said exactly I will send the M.O. next day air tomorrow. He then said he promised it to this other guy . Well what about me? I sent you the money. He has my money now. I reported this to king snake and we will see how soon I get it back. Here are my email to him and his in response.


To be honest..........I have no idea. If your interested.....$500 shipped. I need some quick cash. Thoughts ?
Thanks, Dave @ East TN Reptiles
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: 0.1 Jeff Ronne Line Hypo REDUCED !
do you know which line of ronne hypo it is? scarlet pastel.. etc??

yes
Thanks, Dave @ East TN Reptiles
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: 0.1 Jeff Ronne Line Hypo REDUCED !

i just checked my bank account and i have 457.00 let me know if you can take it


A postal money order. If you'll send it out next day shipped along with a tracking # I'll just subtract the shipping cost from her total. Is this o.k.? Can you ship it out Tues for wed delivery? Then I'll ship her Wed. for Thursday
Dave Derrick
305 W. Lane st
Church Hill,TN 37642
Let me know bout shipping the m.o. next day please
Thanks, Dave @ East TN Reptiles
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: 0.1 Jeff Ronne Line Hypo REDUCED !
i'll take it. have any tail shots of her? how would like the money

Please do the next day shipping for 10:30 am delivery. That way I'll have payment & caan ship her out that day. If you just send it next day,alot of times it's delivered at around 3pm. By 10:30 am delivery.I'll ship her the same day I receive payment,
Please let me know if you can do this & please send me the tracking # for the next day delivery of the m.o. Thoughts?
The biggest reason I lowered the price was to get quick cash asap. You'll really like her. Hard to beleive I paid over $1,000 & letting her go like this.....but, sometimes that's what one has to do to get quick cash
Thanks, Dave @ East TN Reptiles
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: 0.1 Jeff Ronne Line Hypo REDUCED !


Subject: Re: Message about: 0.1 Jeff Ronne Line Hypo REDUCED !
Date: 9/6/2004 9:11:58 PM Eastern Standard Time

no problem i'll send it out tom at lunch time.
 
I too had a similiar problem with Dave. He had contacted me many, many times about a trade deal for some animals he was really hot for. After awhile i finally agreed to do a trade. We both agreed to what we both felt was a fair deal after we spoke for quite some time on the phone. Everything was arranged. Then i receive an email that he needs to get more for his animal and i that i have to kick in another animal on my end. He totally changed the parameters of the trade. I told him to forget it and we never contacted each other again. Just some food for thought.
 
My 2 cents

I explained to Chris it was a misunderstanding. He sent an e mail stated he wanted more pics. I couldn't provide them. I took it as he would only buy the animal if he seen more pics. I read it wrong....simple mistake
To John,yes I contacted you & you were wanting to trade 2 baby hypo x hogs $1,100 value for a 6 ft 1.0 Kalh albino. I tried to get you to trade more. I'm not ignorant enough to trade for that ! I don't think many people would trade a $2,500 animal for $1,100 worth ! If anybody would take such a loss.........please post it
I have apologized to chris.....repeatively & offered him numerous animal OR a refund. One of the animals I offered Chris for his $450 was worth over $700 ! I feel I have done more than I had to PLUS an apology for a SIMPLE misunderstanding. Chris IS getting his money back
I can't beleive people will post ya as a "bad guy" over a simple misunderstanding that I've tried MORE than to make up for OR because I'm not willing to completely loss my tail in a trade......John.......you should be MORE mature as a breeder !
 
How could you misunderstand the email?
It says plain as day he would be shipping the funds to you the next day.
Sorry friend, but it sounds as though you were trying to cover all the bases by telling buyers to send funds and then once receiving the first payment telling the other/s that there was a misunderstanding. This scenario has been posted about before but I can't remember who it was.
It's a good way to make sure you don't lose a sell but a very poor way to keep ones reputation intact.
Have a good one
Cynthia
 
that was a good one dave good to see that screwed someone else.. your a real piece of work .i have every right to be upset .misunderstanding? like somebody said, i said it plain as day that i was sending you the MO. i would also like the money i used to send you the money order back as well and since you are such a nice guy. you can minus the price of the Kleenex as well.

Thanks for the post on the BOI. I know enough breeders,that know I'm a good guy. Would you like me to ship you a box a Kleenex with your m.o. ?
Thanks, Dave @ East TN Reptiles
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: 0.1 Jeff Ronne Line Hypo REDUCED !
 
Out of 15 yrs of breeding / selling...............I'm VERY well known & have more than an excellent reputation Cindy
There's ALWAY one in the bunch. You can take that for what it's worth. I DO NOT lie.
Out of all the people I've sold to & ALL the well known breeders I know......If I had 100 "bad guy" post................it wouldn't hurt my business. And that's a fact.
 
this will be my last response to your crap. please show me what i did to be the "bad guy". it doesn't even matter, you are just making yourself look like an ass. you have responed twice and have not even justified why you did this. or after i pointed out to you that my email was clear how i didn't end up with the snake. but then again i don't expect you to reply.
 
Chris.... I'm sorry, but I have to go with Dave on this one.... when you emailed him saying....

....i'll take it. have any tail shots of her? how would like the money....

You were very ambiguous with that.... I can't tell you how many times someone has told me they wanted one of my animals, and then in the same sentence asked for more pics (which were immediately sent).... they usually then find some reason NOT to go through with the deal.... It's happened countless times to me.... I just let it go and move on to the next buyer....

If you REALLY wanted the animal, you should have never asked for more pics.... it's like saying to Dave that if the tail pics are what you are looking for, you WOULD THEN send him the money.... it might have been just a miscommunication as you stated, but, to me, it was a stall tactic....

Then, when someone actually sends him the money, no questions asked, I would have sold it to them, too.... money talks.... next time, I would suggest you ask for all pics before you tell someone you are sending the money....

Neil
 
And Neil would know all about stall tatics seeing how long he has been around doing business. Dave simple miscommunication and it all gets blown up. I myself could not tell if he wanted more pictures, or was asking a price. But neither are indications that money will be sent.

Chris I suggest in the future be claer on your intentions such as "The money is on the way so hold it for me" or "I'm going to need some pics of the tail so i can make a better decision".
 
Subject: Re: Message about : 0.1 Jeff Ronne Line Hypo REDUCED !
Date: 9/6/2004 9:11:58 PM Eastern Standard Time

no problem i'll send it out tom at lunch time.

Isn't this the last email (from the time signature) sent to Dave? If so it can't get much clearer than that. The only way it could be clearer would be to replace the word "it" with "the money order".
Am I missing something here?
Cynthia
 
Subject: Re: Message about : 0.1 Jeff Ronne Line Hypo REDUCED !
Date: 9/6/2004 9:11:58 PM Eastern Standard Time

no problem i'll send it out tom at lunch time.

thats real unclear
 
My friend

Hello. I have known Dave derrick for a few years now. We have never actually met but talked and e-mailed back and forth over this time. Dave has always beena good guy and mistakes happen. I find it hard to believe that Dave knowingly did this. I know that i have made mistakes and they got blown up in some public forum. I hate to see this happen here. i am sure they wil both work it out to their mutual wishes. Good luck gentlemen.
 
Dave and Chris.... I'm not saying that either of you did anything wrong.... it was pure miscommunication.... but, if you want to get technical.... these are the last 2 emails that were sent and received....
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Thanks, Dave @ East TN Reptiles
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: Message about : 0.1 Jeff Ronne Line Hypo REDUCED !


Subject: Re: Message about : 0.1 Jeff Ronne Line Hypo REDUCED !
Date: 9/6/2004 9:11:58 PM Eastern Standard Time

no problem i'll send it out tom at lunch time.
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If you notice, Dave wanted "Fast Money" for whatever reason.... there is a HALF HOUR time frame between the email where Chris asked for more pics, and the one Chris says he's sending the money.... there are a LOT of things that could have happened in that half hour.... someone else could have called Dave and said, "I'll take it, here's your money".... while Chris was waiting for more pics??.... I don't know if that IS what happened, but it's possible.... I still say that Dave did the only thing he could do in THAT situation (IF my scenario is correct).... Dave had no idea (at that point) if Chris would EVER get back to him....

Bottom line is that Dave was looking to sell it FAST.... Chris just took too long to make up his mind and by the time he did, it was too late.... It happens....

Neil
 
in half an hour? and he waited to email me until 10:00 am the next day? after i said i was sending it! either way he should have told me something before the next day given my email saying i was sending the money. i had no way of knowing any of this.
 
Neil,
A simple email from Dave stating that the snake sold within that 30 minute time frame would have saved the other fellow some time. It may have happened the way you said but something seems "off".
I did some searching in a previous thread and it does seem that Dave is sometimes a little delayed in his responses.

Dave, I am not bashing you but from some of your previous posts it seems that you sometimes cop an attitude in your responses. This leads me to believe that you have the potential to be a difficult person to deal with.

Inflated ego, a questionable temper, testimony from a well known dealer on the first page of this thread and the present situation = someone I will steer clear of in the future. Of course from your statement above this won't hurt your business in the least LOL!
Cynthia
 
By the way, I just noticed that the dude who started this thread lives in Va. which is where I live. Before it gets thrown out there I would like to say I do not know him.
I thought I would comment on this since I am sure that inquiring minds want to know LOL
Cynthia
 
In the end he never refused to send my money back .I guess it has all worked out, I am getting my money. So it wasn't a total loss. I thought it was mine I sent the money. if he sold it in the 30 min time frame so be it. Dave I wish you luck if our paths cross again hopefully it will turn out better than this did.


chris
 
Cynthia.... You're absolutely correct in your assumption.... an email to Chris WOULD have solved a lot of problems, but, as I said.... I have NO IDEA what actually happened here.... ALL I'm getting at is, it's done and over with??.... Both parties should just forget it and move on.... Dave got his fast money, and Chris lost out on a deal.... chit happens.... nothing is going to change that.... just let it go and learn from it.... if there IS anything to learn from it....

Neil
 
I can "forgive & forget" But the reason chris is all of a sudden o.k. with everything is..........he called a well known breeder bashing me & this guy set him straight! Sel. Reps.
I spent oner $4,000 last yr on caging alone. Not to mention $27,000 on 3 animals.
I take my business,animals & customers seriously. Chris forgot to post the e mail I wrote him that night. I told him the animal was sold.I was going to bed & ask him what he wanted me to do.
Chris is 100% getting his $ back. I offered him anery's 66% het for snow,salmontines,het boas...ect. EVERY animal I offered him was $600 & above up to $900 for one animal
I was willing to cut him deals left & right. You can't say a $700 animal for $450 is a bad deal.
I hope me & Chris see eye to eye in the future. BUT I always thought the BOI was for people who got ripped off or received an animal that was misrepresented. Not to post a "wah" post bout something they did not get
As far as John M. I can't beleive you posted cause I wouldn't trade a $2,500 adult,male albino for two baby hypo x Hogs!!!! Yes I called & asked you about them. I did ask you what ya was willing to trade for the albino. I ALSO called you back (no agreement had been made) to ask you to trade even for what the albino was worth,you would not. So......the deal never went threw. BIG DEAL! I never made a deal with you! BUT yet you come to the BOI & try to make me look bad. I DO NOT appreciate that........AT ALL ! To me that was very inmature of you. Tell ya what John,send me $2,500 & I'll gladly send you back $1,100. Then if you don't......can I come to the BOI & post how you back out on a deal? Easpecially after we talked on the phone & I told you I wouldn't trade the adult albino for two of your babies. To give you an idea on how great they are....they were born MONTHS ago & your still putting up ads on em ! Pitiful
Neil, you are right,I do have a bad temper.......it gets really bad when I'm in the right or someone comes here to post I didn't sell em an animal. Like I said before,100 bad guy post here would not hurt my business. I have animals not even born yet that are already sold & sell 99% of my animals to well known breeders. As I stated,this time I needed fast cash.I beleive this entire thread should have not been started. Chris was mad & looking to get even.Why else would his conversation to S.R start out bashing me? Sometimes people just blow my mind
 
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