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Dave Lawson & Neil Gubitz

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Who is guilty of the tampa area breakins....

Hopefully you two can shed a bright light on what really happened
theres alreadly enough info on what happened in the past.So lets try to put what the outcome was in the court case here .and have information that can be VERIFIED posted not the old he said she said .Just verifiable facts please .Lets also try to not get into Name calling or who did what to who in the past unless its got something to do with the meat of the subject.

lets start by seeing who can provide ph#'s to the parties that can back up your claim that Dave admitted doing the break-ins in the Tampa Area.

The Neil Dave said you both got a settlement and the court case was a "Wash" so if either of you can provide truth to that effect please do so and if it was there should be a document of the effect that could be easily posted to state what you claim .

If all that was stated by both of you is true then somebody should ba able to show it , i think the speculation of the guilt or non guilt of both of you has gone long enough and id say one of you deserve to be proven right ? wouldnt you agree ... ?
 
These guys are both professional liars. Proof or not of anything one did to the other will not change this simple and WELL KNOWN fact.

I don't think it matters in the long run. They are both people I would avoid for a number of reasons that have nothing to do with the breakins.

While I must admit to a mild curiosity about the breakins I really just don't care.

Wes Pollock
 
That's easy....

Hopefully you can all read this.... The first picture is the full page of my judgement, the second photo is the top of the page of my judgement, and the last photo is the bottom of the page of my judgement....

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Neil

Ok from what i can tell of the court papers it doesnt say what the judgment is for or about ?Does it say anywhere with in the structure of "why the judgement or what it pertains to " IE admitting guilt or guilt was proving ?I take it from the paper work presented this was a "civil matter and not criminal?Also i could make out neither of you had attorneys?

Is there anything anywhere , that in writing IE: court papers that state why the judgement was levied?(sp) (like what brought this to become a lawsuit)

Dave you mentioned a "appeal" the court stamp is July 1 2003 did you secure council to do this ? as i know in NC as stated by neil an appeal is "usally required to be filed with in 30 days from ajudgement and could be held open with retaining a lawyer.

Neil Or Dave can either of you post contact info for people that you claim to have knowledge of the others guilt ? and with this i mean not someone you told the other did it i mean someone that was the victom of the breakins.( owners of shops) or if you could post what shops the other allegedly broke into i will do the foot work to contact them to get these answers .

Dave do you have anything that shows neil was ordered to pay you on a judgment ?

thanks
 
Alan.... the above paperwork is from my judgement in Small Claims Court that I sued Lawson for not paying me for the store location I sold him.... No lawyers were involved.... There were NO appeals and I don't owe Lawson a DIME.... HE OWES ME!.... My lawyer IS in the process of securing payment, though.... it might take a while, but I just put it down as a forced savings account because there is a 6% interest rate attached for as long as it takes for him to pay me (which he has told me to my face that he never will).... we'll see.... as far as ME having verifiable PROOF of any burglaries.... I don't, that's why I can't post any of it.... but.....

As far as VERIFIABLE PROOF of breakins and burglaries??.... In about an hour or so, SUSIN TIPPI will be posting the PROOF she got back from the State's Attorney's Office today (she also sent a fax of it to some of the well-liked people on the BOI that she knows).... that's all I'll say for now until AFTER Susin posts.... if one of the people that she sent this material to, want to post a forward, go right ahead (you know who you are).... we'll SEE who's been lieing around here....

till later
 
The reason Gubitz and I went to court had nothing to do with the break-ins, It was a civil suit for the shop I got from him. Yes he won that case, yes I do have council now and yes there A NOTICE OF APPEAL WAS FILED, That is all I am going to say about that.

Now as far as the Break-ins at Gubitz's store I will ask someone to paste a link to the P.I. 'S report where he The P.I. states that Gubitz stage the break-ins.

As far as the contact info, Gubitz has all of that and let him post it since they are going to speak in his behalf or so he says.
 
Now as far as the Break-ins at Gubitz's store I will ask someone to paste a link to the P.I. 'S report where he The P.I. states that Gubitz stage the break-ins.
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Okay the PI's report did insinuate that Neil Staged his break in...at least in my opinion.

But if there is a police report somewhere that says you admitted to the burglaries.................Then F@(k the PI report. A Police report is one step above that in my opinion.

So can someone post the police report?
 
Well.... considering that YOU and ANGELA were the MAIN WITNESSES for that report.... it's no wonder why he thinks I did it??.... pretty ironic, I would say....

So where is this lawyer you're talking about??.... Where are the police?.... You said you were going to have me arrested??.... Where is the paperwork for your appeal??.... It must have gotten lost in the mail, huh??

From here on out, I'm going to bide my time for awhile until someone else posts.... rant away to your heart's content.... for now....
 
I agree with ritchie

while the PI report from what i sparsely recall it didnt say the Neil was "The One" and i somehow tend to think if it did Neil would have suffered the repercussions of that report.I did a search for it but i decided that part since there was never a court case / conviction wasnt really a issue here . Now if you have proof as ritchie stated of a Police report or can have someone that can post proof that he did it then its all just heresay Dave .As informed by Neil Susan Tippi is sending out and going to post something that may become a very good read.... hmmm i cant WAIT to see what she has there . so for now ill await someone with some knowledge more then me and the rest here have to add to this .. .result results and facts are what we need here other then that this would turn into a 500 page thread like the rest
 
Someone posted and said that Dave admited to the burglaries.
I would love to see it.
It would mean I was wrong......does that make number four(4)?..... But it is one of those times I am GLAD to be wrong.
Yes believe it or not I do miss Neil. We have a love hate relationship.
 
I to can't wait to see what Susin Tippie has to say. It seems that if the state Attorney has some proof that I broke the law then wouldn't I be in jail? I have no idea what is going to be posted but rest assured if it is anything like Gubitz is saying someone will be getting a call from my attorney.
 
Neil

welcome back Neil! its good to see you back on here. im sure that there are lots of others that missed you as well!

karl ramsdell
 
I, too, hope Susin Tippi posts on here, it may answer a lot of questions. And yes in the PI report it does not say Neil is the one. And it was Dave and his girlfriend that were talking the most. And with Neil stating he had no insurance??? then I am not sure what he would have to gain by staging a robbery???
I am getting the impression that something is definitely not right here with you Dave. You stated it was a wash, when in fact it was not, please post your appeal request as that would not hurt your case at all, and even if you did file an appeal it still does not mean it is a wash, for one, the court may not accept an appeal and the other you may lose there as well. Fact remains you did lie about that, beginning to seem like you will lie until the end, that you will not come forward until absolutely proven. Now that the papers are on here you finally say that he won.
You said I was beating around the bush, looks to me like you are.

Neil, good to see you can post for yourself again now, as I dont have to ;) or am not asked to. Please do not use the PM or fauna email button AT ALL LOL
 
OMG.... Where are my Depends??.... I'm just shaking in my boots??.... remember the saying.... "THE TRUTH WILL OUT"???.... It shouldn't be too much longer.... tell your "attorney" she can reach me at 813-908-1869.... LOL
 
wilomn said:
These guys are both professional liars. Proof or not of anything one did to the other will not change this simple and WELL KNOWN fact.

I don't think it matters in the long run. They are both people I would avoid for a number of reasons that have nothing to do with the breakins

Wes Pollock
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Who cares ?? Wes put it the best way I saw so far, both of these guys tell so many lies they are starting to sound like the same person with two split personalities, Neil did this ...Dave lied here...Neil lied there...Dave did this...OHH but wait ask my person ...no ask my person......are more people here starting to see the pattern...but wait, I am sure as are you all ....MORE TO COME
The ONLY reason I can see the webslave allowing this thread is so all the new members can see what a class act these two are.
enough rope
enough rope
enough rope

no not yet
 
Rozanne, No disrespect to you but do you read these post? you do understand english, right? Cause I have said from the beginning that Neil got a judgement I also corrected my terminology, twice. what part of that do you not understand?

I can not find the P.I. report can someone please paste a link? I want to see where it says that I gave all this info to the investigator and if I remember right it says that Gubitz lied about not having insurance.

Oh, and Gubitz I am sure that she will be wanting to talk to you.

A request to the webslave, can you please lock in everyones I.P. addresses so that if there is a lawsuit I can prove that the post can from thier comp.

Post away Susin.
 
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I am not sure if the report is in here, I think it is, if not type in Neil Gubitz in the search.
I am wanting to find out the truth about everything Dave, including on who lied and if there was insurance or not.
Yes, I can read, that is why I know what you post at the beginning vs. in the end.
I disagree with Wes and John. This has been going on for so long it is hard to keep track, but since it is an ongoing thing I really would like there to be a final conclusion.
Some people do get curious and I for one am one of those people:)
 
Rozann
How can you even see a conclusion to this mess, when one comes around both parties involved are gonna lie..lie..lie.
Even if the end is in sight who are we to believe, hell I sent a 100 bones to Neil's cause when the store was broken into. Ya know trying to help a fellow herper as many other did...Now Rozann ...what did we all get in return, well I'll tell ya it wasn't the truth. Enough is enough.
Rozann if I seemed a bit short with you ..,my apologies

At this point it's kind of like the Freddie and Jason movies...will these two ever die out
 
Well if you helped out in the Neil thing I can understand how you can be short and upset, fully understandable.
I would still like to see some truth come out of this and parties that may have some more proof to be able to come on here and post it.
 
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