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Dave Lawson & Neil Gubitz

Hey Dave,

we had this same toe tapping dance about you skirting questions on other threads that rely on a simple yes or no. I am glad you finally admitted that a judgement was issued against you, and I am sure that the check you gave Tony Cueto was NFS instead of the dance rehersal you seem to have placed in your threads. I think as others begin to read your posts, it becomes very clear that the questions should be simple ones, which will not allow you to sidestep the answer. I dont understand, why you are even in the Herp business. JERRY TRESSER
 
It has been nearly 2 hours, I even called and left a message for Susin to hurry up and post this earth shaking news. Maybe all this was just another ***mis-understanding*** of Gubitz.

Jerry, to answer your question. I have been in the Herp trade for over 25 years and I make a damn good living at it. I sell great animals and good prices, I do not have to stoop to misrepresentation. Has anyone ever posted that I sold them a bad snake or lied to them to get a sale?
 
Whew, I just re read the report and memory did serve me correctly, it did say the investigator talked with you, Dave and much to Angie Coker, and you both did in fact indicate to him that you both thought it was Neil.
Now given what you said about the Gubitz vs. Lawson case, and what may or may not come out later, I would wonder too if perhaps the P.I. was relying too heavily on what you and Angie had said.
The most damaging that I can find in that report about Neil is the letter to RichZ. I can not presume to know why it was written and can't go into Neils mind but that was definitely wrong.
About the break in being staged by Neil, well, I wondered then, and now I wonder more. Just doesn't seem likely.
Course Dave, you can prove Neil wrong, you could put up the appeal paperwork that you have???? Something, anything.
 
Ray, how many scarlet kings did you sell to neil last year? In fact how many have you sold him in the last four years, since that seems to be the time frame we're working with here.

thanks,
Wes
 
Wow, I am constantly amazed every time this subject, or very similiar ones come up. It's like watching the Soap Opera's, or a car accident, actually some of both. I don't want to get hooked, but it's like I just can't look away. Who is screwing who? Who stole what? Was it proven? and just exactly who shot JR? (Oh, sorry, wrong Soap)

So~ Seriously, my question (question'S ?)is to everyone reading this thread.

Is this for real? Does this stuff really happen in the "Real world" or just in Tampa? Is it all that common as it appears in these threads? Are we all really a bunch of blood thirsty back stabbers waiting for the opurtunity to get a hold of our next victim?

WHAT is going on? Is this being filmed (Y'all see that Joe Schmoe show?) Or is this a test subject for a new Soap Opera? (All the Snakes in my life ????)
 
Please learn to read yourself and get the spelling of my name right.

You are saying things and not coming up with anything conclusive. You said the civil case was a wash when in fact Neil did win it. You spoke to the PI and implicated Neil.
It is not about the break ins connecting with the civil case, Dave.
It is about what you say and whether you can be believed or not.
Get it???
 
Wes.... to answer your question.... Checking MY files.... I've only bought Scarletts from TWO people in the last four years.... THREE from Ray and this last one from Andy Barr....
And I'm sure that if Ray checks his files, he'll tell you the same thing.... and none before February of this year!.... I did have two that were GIVEN to me when I owned the store by people that found them in their yard or pool about 3-4 years ago.... but, I DIDN'T buy them and they sold IN the store to walk-in customers.... does that answer your question??
So, thinking about it, I guess I was wrong when I said I only SOLD 4 of them in the last 4 years.... I only BOUGHT 4 of them, but sold SIX of them.... Darn.... there I go lieing again.... lol
 
I am sorry about the name thing.

I still can't get the report to come up. it loads adobe and nothing.

and it has been proven time and time again that Gubitz is a liar. I do not care if people believe me or not. It would seem that the only proof of me lying has come from Gubitz. Yet not one of his witnesses have stepped forward as promised....kind of make you wonder if maybe that was a lie to!!!!!!!!!
 
Dave at your request i have logged my Ip for you

But to refresh your memory a little lets back up a few threads in another thread ok ....
As far as our court case went well Neil got a judgement and so did I ....It was a wash
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Lie or just slipped your mind ?

quote:As far as our court case went well Neil got a judgement and so did I ....It was a wash
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you said had stated this twice at this point

quote:As far as our court case went well Neil got a judgement and so did I ....It was a wash
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wow third time .. we call this a charm

In all fairness to me, Have you called Josie Arnold and ask her about the animals Gubitz stole from my store and tried to have her sell. She knew what Gubitz was up to and returned them to me. I stepped to Him with this and we called it a wash.
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alot of washing going on here

I call it a wash simply due to the fact that Gubitz did not want to go back to prison for stealing animals from my store. So we made a arrangement sort of speak. I do not exspect Gubitz to admit this but believe it or not
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is this the wash you are referring to ??if so i call that stupidity if someone steals something from me plain and simple im not going to "look over it " and again if you take the good word of someone you your self call a lair & cheat then you deserve what ever becomes of there word be it good or bad .

Dave a DA usally doesnt file charges until they have PROOF of a crime IE: if Susan Tippi does have proof and did goto the DA's office i would think that you would be getting some sort of legal visit in the near future.
now for my IP address :24.158.56.43

and im wanting to know some truth cause i to donated to the snake pit job $50 and i was a newbie here at the time and didnt no neil from adam andthe person that had the $ well pretty much vanished from the face of the earth last i heard ? hope he had a good vaction with our $$
 
CHERYL, your right, it would make

a great reality tv series. The Dave & Neil show. Each week they would be given different weapons starting from the Ming dynasty on up. They would kill each other each week. I am sure we could get donations and it probably would sell. But in all seriousness, Tampa has different weather conditions than we have here in So. Fla. and it seems to affect the Herp people who become vulnerable to what I call " the forgetfulness syndrome" . I really have no quams with Dave or Neil , but I do have a problem with some of Daves "around the corner answers" . Until you persue it, the truth finally comes out. JERRY TRESSER
 
And that right there is a PERFECT example of why you should not be allowed back here. Your story changes constantly. That's what, the third time it's changed in LESS than 24 hours.

Now so far as I know Ray is a stand up guy and even if you have talked to him before he posts how many he thinks several are, as he did say he sold you several, which to most means 3 or more, I can't help but wonder just how much trust to put in a guy that shares a table with the likes of you.

Ray, I'm not saying I don't trust you, as I have no reason not to, but just knowing you are closely enough associated with neil to share a table with him makes me wonder if I really can trust you. See the dilemma just associating with him can cause?

Now if someone else comes on and says they sold or bought or gave you more scarlets are you going to change your story yet again neil? Do the lies ever stop?

Wes Pollock
 
I like the Freddy/Jason analogy! LOL! Wes... it appears that I have sold him three adult established SK's. It might be a matter of Neil renewing his adds often or sitting on stuff for a few months? I don't keep track of his adds? If there were others, they were not from me and not recently. I agree they are not a beginer's snake and most people will have trouble with W.C.'s. I don't sell them unless they are feeders and clean. Anyway, enough of that. How about everybody stops posting until they have something to back up the facts or Susin's report comes up. We really don't need another looonnnggg thread do we. Same thing again. Lets limit it to facts and no more name calling/he said she said! Quite the soap opera. Thanks Ray G HBR.
 
So let me get this straight. You now call it a wash because Neil did not want to go to jail for stealing your animals? So he made a deal with you that you would not turn him and in return you did not have to pay him? Is that the wash?
$5149.00 in exchange for prison time for stealing spiders?
Please clarify????
 
With all due respect, This thread is quickly turning into a joke. Instead of simply glancing at a post some of you need to READ IT I can give the same exact answer to the same question and some brain trust will ask it again. I do however agree with Ray in the fact that we should wait until someone has something to post. Gubitz, how long is a hour in your world? Its been 3 here in the real one.
 
OK Ray, there's your 3, the 2 neil was given and the other 2 he sold. Isn't that 7.

neil, back to you.

You do know what the truth is, don't you? Because if you don't it's the exact opposite of what you keep posting here. Let's try that for once and see how it feels.

Wes Pollock
 
Wes.... let's try the simple math again, shall we??
I bought THREE from Ray.... ONE from Andy Barr.... and TWO were given to me.... let's review....

3 + 1 + 2 = ????? you're right.... 7
 
Wes, wes, wes.....

Please DO NOT insinuate that I have or ever will lie or for lack of better terms stretch the truth. Nor should it be insinuated that I in any way shape or form am a questionable person just because I have done business with Neil or shared a table at show with him. I have been in business for over 25 years and have built it on honesty, integrity and being a stand up person irregardless of wether I was friends of a person or an enemy. I have come on here and told Neil he was wrong in certain circumstances. I have come on here and said I do not agree with some of Neil's outlooks! I've come on here and defended him as well when I thought he was right. I've done the same to other people as well. You'll see threads where I have told other friends like Ray H. when he made a shipping mistake that he was wrong. I again defended him recently in another thread when he was right! Would you rather have someone who shakes your hand then walks away talking about your an Axx behind your back. You'll find I stand firmly on what I think is right! I shared those tables at Orlando with Neil because he called and said that he had 3 tables and could only fill one. We kept our animals to our two tables and sold them VERY CLEARLY AS OUR STOCK. With our invoices. Neil was paid for his two tables and a percentage. I usually do not do many shows due to the fact it's a conflict of interest since we supply many of the Vendors. Now if you see that as a tie in to us being shady, or questionable you are quite mistaken. I know you do not like Neil and that is not a problem with me. I have very few people that I dislike or have a problem with. I simply deal with it and get on with life. In the meantime I simply say "Hi" to them and go about my business. Life's too short! I have a file cabinet full of invoices. I usually do not have any idea how much of any one species I sell any one person. It's usually not worth my time. I have way too many animals to care for and not enough hours in the day. I checked on this specifically just in case this were to turn into another case of "words under the magnifying glass". If you have an axe to grind with Neil please kindly do so WITH HIM. It is a mistake to make attacks on me. I have nothing against you and as far as I am aware you have nothing against me. At least you know I will tell you the same thing to your face as I will behind your back. I have nothing to loose or gain in this therefore, please refrain from any comments in that direction. Thanks Ray G. HBR
 
Ray, lmao, do not feel bad. I too have done business with Neil. I have not had all deal gone smoothly but all were rectified and I as well as my daughter are satisfied with the outcome.
So yes, I am bad by association. And I have NEVER sold a single reptile in my life.
Should we make a club?
 
Lawson...

I'm proud of you.. you quoted me and made very non-confrontational/rational statement. Not downing you don't take me that way please. I just agree that it should wait for the facts to all come up. Maybe then it can be settled in less than 50 threads!! Thanks Ray G. HBR * Now if only everyone else can show restraint. Eeeaaasssyyyy!
 
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