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Dave Lawson & Neil Gubitz

Dave are there ...

... any more Case #'s you have "forgot about "

seems like you have been a very busy man this year ,

Four counts of FORGERY

OBTAIN.PROP. FOR WORTHLESS CK (MORE THAN $ <didnt list amount>

lost a judgement to Neil Gubitz

And admitted by paper work submitted from the HCSO to Burglary / Grand Theft


how many more cases you have floating around dave ?
 
Wes, Terese,

I am fully aware why Wes keeps bringing it up. And everytime I am in a postition to say that Neil did make good. If for nothing else but to let readers know the other end everytime.
It is well known, and in my opinion does not have to be dragged up again and again, it becomes redundant. According to Wes, this was just the "icing on the cake" it is NOT the basis for his dislike of Neil. Wes has the rest of the cake he can talk about over and over. That thread is there for everyone to read, no need to constantly repeating itself.
Wes has not in his statement said numerous times that Neil and I have resolved the issue, I keep coming back on AFTER Wes and saying that. He then comes BACK on and agrees. Big difference.
Makes me wish I did not tell my experience and why I do not anymore, and as others have said why they do not come on here anymore to post for that reason.
Shame, without new people feeling comfortable to post their experiences the BOI could become nothing more than people who have been on here going over and over old experiences.
If Wes has a vendetta against Neil, there are other things he can go on to.
 
Even so, with the picture of that "healthy" uromastix neil sold you, there is nothing else that needs to be said.

It is all right there in those pictures, of that nealy dead and then, next day I believe it was, VERY dead lizard. He should never have sold it to begin with and it is a perfect example of the type of person he is.

Wes Pollock
 
I am glad you said that Wes, nothing more needs to be said, it is all right there picture and all. I agree with that.
 
Wes, how much are you going to

go through to get your message across. We understand that you have some real problems with Neils existence. If all the angels in heaven said Neil was right, you would say he was wrong. Its a no win situation, regardless of what anyone seems to say that is even slightly positive

You have never met Neil, you have never done business with Neil, but you seem to concern yourself with his inventory, his difficulties with others, which is none of your business since it does not affect you, pocketbook wise. Even if Neil makes good on a bad situation, you seem to complain about that. Where does this end, and more importantly, when does this stop! I hope Neil reads this as I would at this juncture get some legal advise. You have just crossed the line and are becoming a predator.

You seem like an intellegent guy, so why not leave him alone. You dont have to convince people about Neil, he has done a very good job himself, whether good or bad. But your not his daddy. JERRY TRESSER
 
Ro, I see your point as well, I just meant that you can't really remove your situation from Wes' reasoning on Neil, but I guess you weren't really asking that. It all gets very confusing.

Wes, maybe you can just state that if anyone is interested in your reasons for your opinion of Neil, they can email you for a list of links on the BOI? Then people can see all of it.

You're also correct about it being a shame that some people will not post their experiences on the BOI, as you no longer do either. I guess the choice about coming forth on a public forum is one that everyone has to make for themselves, because it does sometimes open a can of worms. However, if people post facts, realize that not everyone will agree with them, and allow themselves to disregard people who do not deserve a response, posting on the BOI shouldn't really be unduly burdensome.

The BOI has its imperfections, as does everything else I can think of, but it certainly serves a purpose. For that, I'll accept the aggravation that sometimes accompanies it.
 
The truth about Dave Lawson

I have been asked to included the rest of the documents about my break-in here on the BOI. I need to know how to post them if I scan them and then what. I tried to cut and paste and was unable to. Forgive me for sounding stupid about this. I normally do not have time to do things like this.
The other documents included the animal cruelty concerning my break-in. the SUSPECT strangled my son's baby ducks 'probably because they were making noise'. OR like all the other break-ins where animals were killed it was done out of meaness. Look at Paridise Pets in Zephyrhills, Their tanks of fish and rodents were thrown down and the fish and mice stepped on.

Thank you all for your support. I will post pics and the list of stolen reptiles as soon as I learn how to post the pics.

Thanks again

Susin April Tippie
 
This is truely the saddest thread I have ever read on this board.Hard to determine which is the worst.
 
Susan,

Once you scan the documents, you should be able to attach them as files in your post, probably only one file at a time.
 
Well shucks, I must have missed the sugarplums and lollipops class. Must have been cleaning cages.

I'm out of this thread, at least for the time being. neil, if you mention me again I may well come back in it. I reckon you're taking out rope like it's going out of style. I sure hope I get an invite to your NEXT hanging.

Wes Pollock
 
Wes

I do agree with rozann
please here me out and please dont get bent out of shape.

This thread was posted with "express requests" to stick to the facts of THIS deal. the alleged person who committed the breakins in the tampa area and any therefore direct impliments thereof.Its very previlant if anyone does a search for Neils names there one gazillion articles to read.Now im sure this thread could have been probably 15-20 pages shorter had just the FACTS & QUESTIONS of the topic been replied to.We know and understand why you post your thoughts of Neil G,has he been a angel from the heavans ... not quite , has he told lies ?yes he has has he suffered from them ? yes he has .Will he tell more ? time will only tell what Neil will do and only Neil will know what he will do. I respects anyones opions that posts here do i always agree probably not do i have to No but i do look at both sides of the coin you can follow every thread that had Name in it and tell people about what he did , BUT the only thing IMO its going to do is make people think that you have a personell vendetta(sp) out for him which you most likely do and it is due to his dealing with Rozyanns purchase from him .I think the best thing to do if you feel this strong to let people know of his deal is to start your own thread in the BOI you post what you know , and facts of it .Then Rozyann can post the fact that she was reimbursed and was satisfied . then when people search the name "snakePit/NeilGubitz" its there and i ask for the sake of the BOI to keep it to one post about him there .There would be no need to go back and forth about this and that to only end up with 10-15 or 20 pages of saying the same thing and im sure webslave would appreciate it as well when it comes to bandwidth use for repeatedly stated topics.I think if Webslave could see to it to allow Neil back into the BOI that there should be something said for that alone he didnt have to even give Neil the time of day and we know how webslave felt about what neil did to become bannedhere to start with. so all i ask is that for the benefit of the rest of the BOI members and those to come try to restrain from feeling it is your personell duty to RUIN NEIL GUBITZ. as its rather obvious if hes going to be ruined he can do it all alone .

Neil to you i ask that you do the same youre back in the BOI make the change in the other direction every time you rebute what Wes says it stems a response and then it just trickles down from there >IMo for you with the light that has been shed so far in this ordeal is a chance to show that you can be productive and not reactive part of the BOI. You know what everyone is expecting from and of you here im sure that i dont speak alone that your past is still going to haunt you here and some people will never get over the fact that someone they had at one time felt was afriend passed a line with the email you mistakingly sent out expressing your vies of the BOI and members. all you can do from here out is make the change to make a name back in the community .I am sure it wont be done overnight or even by next yr who knows when it will be done .but from a outsiders view looking in before you punch the keys in certain threads &posts think about , review it and change it if it needs to be .We know how you feel about how you feel. show people that the "old Neil" is making ammends dont just spout out in anger sit down walkaway and think of your next post. think of it like a recovering person that is around something they KNOW they shouldnt be take the time to think before you go off and post something thats going to re hash old feelings ....


ok im done
 
Jerry,

In Wes' defense, how anyone conducts himself or herself in a public manner, especially in ripping off people via the internet, affects ALL OF US and is of a concern to anyone wanting to keep this industry as free from external regulation as possible. So, him making sure that Neil is exposed for the behavior he has enacted in the past, is something that is well within the bounds of judgment for anyone wanting to help in the self-policing of the herp industry. In fact, if you will go back to some older threads here on the BOI, you will find that a large number of those posts Neil made were of the very same type!

Further, I can see absolutely no reason why Wes should fear any kind of legal ramification for his postings. All he has done is to remind people of what actually transpired. He has not lied about anyone, so libel is out as a possible charge, and the concept of malicious intent is extremely difficult to prove if he has made some sort of error in his allegations. So, I would think Neil's time would be better spent than to try to sue over the posts Wes has made here.

Jerry, just a point for you to consider . . . Neil posts or has something good said about him, then Wes immediately posts that Neil should be seen as a bad guy, then you immediately post to say that Wes is all wet and a predatory internet stalker. Can you explain the difference to me?
 
Alan, jerry, anyone else who cares, I do not have a vendetta against neil.

I have an extreme dislike for the way he conducts himself.

That's it. If you condone the animals he has sold and will most likely sell again, fine. That's on you. If you really want a shark in the guppy pond, have at it.

Now, as I said, providing neil leaves me out of it and does not fall back into his old ways, I'm done. I don't think that's too hard to understand.

Wes Pollock
 
DARIN, your points are very well taken,

and I understand your feelings about ridding people who seem to drift to this industry, create their havoc and disappear like rats in the night. You and I both know and I am sure Wes as well that these difficulties are money motivated. I have been dealing with this very problem for the past 40 years.

But my position at this jucture is not policing the entire herp community with people who are indirectly wrapped up in controversy. My argument is that if their are any infractions of business dealings, their are remedies that can handle the matter. Whether civil or criminal liablilities exist, get an attorney, go to the Internet Fraud, FBI, or whatever. But Wes is providing an overkill. As mentioned he takes other peoples miseries, and lights a torch and becomes the keeper of the flame. Whenever their name is mentioned, Wes is sure to be their, regardless of the post or the situation. This is not normal behavior, it is a fixated disease. Darin , some of the posts that I was reading about Wes attempting to figure out how many Scarlet Kings Neil sold, and attempting to catch him in a lie about Neils inventory is ludicrous. Who does that other than an obsessed person. I really believe that Wes has a death wish for Neil. When one person hates someone as much as Wes seems to promote here on the BOI, I would be very concerned. We are not talking about protecting the public from Neil, but protecting Wes from himself. I can tell you right now, I would certainly attempt to get councel, whether successful or not, Wes does not just post a bad guy thread on Neil because of his experiences, but on everyone elses.......over and over again. Thats habitual, and it disturbs me . JERRY
 
Are you the same jerry that only yesterday sent me an email telling me how much he had enjoyed debating the whole neil thing and signed off as "very respectfully" jerry tresser?

How amusing. I don't have the email as there was something about it that did not seem wholesome and I tossed it in the circular file upon reading it.

Make up your mind jerry. And once again I ask, in your own vernacular so you can understand, why do you have such a hard on to defend neil?

Wes Pollock
 
Wes in my defense

sorry the post was written before you had posted you would stay idle and i was writing in between cleaning rats bins , i didnt mean for it to sound like i was "on your case" im not . i think that you made a noble statement in letting the sleeping dog sleep Neil please do the same
 
Wes. I send many people that I

meet over the net a private email indicating my respect for their opinion, whether I am right or wrong in my arguments. I see nothing wrong with it, nor is their any ulterior motive for my actions other than being mature in my dealings with people. Now if you have a problem with that, its your problem!

Now just as I have told Neil, I will tell you the same: I am unconcerned about Neils past behavior, nor do I condone his past actions. As Ive stated ad nauseum, there are remedies for addressing these problems. But what you are doing goes beyond the norm. You certainly have indicated that sometimes you can get a bit overzelous in your attacks on Neil. I see it as a disease. Ive met people like you before, but they were killing in the name of God, another disease. So I am very sensitive to these outbursts that I have seen on this site by you. This has nothing to do with Neil. Ive indicated that I met him once for 5 minutes, emailed him as Ive emailed you and countless of others on this board, and even something as simple as that has some hidden agenda..........according to the gospels of Wes. JERRY TRESSER
ENOUGH SAID ON THE SUBJECT
 
jerry, it would have been enough said had you simply said nothing. Now you're comparing me to people who kill, in other words murderers. Talk about reaching.

Since you obviously have not read all that I have posted, please take the time to do so now. You will see where I have very PUBLICLY stated that harming gubitz NEVER entered into my thoughts.

It's guys like you, zealot hunters, that bring guys like me, over zealous perhaps but actually trying to do good, into question. You don't understand, so I must be bad. You don't like it so I must be like something else you don't like, uhhhhh let's pick out guys who talk to some imaginary god and then go kill people.

HHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAhaahahahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHahahahahahahahahaHHahahahahahahahahahahahh

Not bloody likely.

Think before you write or make such base accusations again, jerry. It's not nice as well as not true.

Wes Pollock
 
The truth about Dave Lawson

I am asking for help from everyone.
If you know of another place that Dave sold reptiles through and maybe the email address or name that he used please email me.

Thank you very much,

Susin April Tippie
 
AAAAHHHHHWWWW............

It's just soooo warm and fuzzy here.........Let's all have one big group hug....

Amazing! Do we have half or all of the liberal Democratic party here?

People and business' like Neil Gubitz and Upstate Exotics, have no fear!! It really does not matter if you have ripped people off, sold them sick half dead animals, sold them something other then they requested, stole their money, lied repeatedly, been banned not Once, but Twice from the BOI.........No big deal!!!! All you have to do is apologize a couple of times, send warm and fuzzy private e-mails telling them your sorry and you will be completely foregivin! End of story!

You then will be back in the good graces of the BOI crowd and in no time be able to do your lieing, cheating and stealing once again.

By the way, if someone were to collect 25 warning points, would you be banned for real or will we get nine lives like Neil.

Unreal!! Now we honest good guys being attacked by other good guys who defend bad guys.

Hey Dave, just relax and do not post for a while........all will be fine....
 
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