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Inquiry Dave Savickey of MA, [email protected]

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Wondering if anyone has done business with Dave, and how everything went. I am in the beginning stages of working out a high end trade deal. Any and all input will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Lee
 
I've never done business with him, but here is a little further info perhaps you can use.

His Fauna user is ReticDog.

He has never provided his full name or location in his Fauna profile, despite Rich advising him that is was required in a post that he started on the BOI some years back.

He also posted an email address of "pithons@aol. com" in several posts he made in the Classifieds section here (though some are very old).

Here are three URLs that may or may not be helpful:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77344&highlight=dave+savickey
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-118126.html
http://www.myspace.com/[email protected]

I'm sorry I can't help further.
 
He has an add out right now claiming he has a motley boa that produced two moonglows and is a possible het anery? lol either he is trying to pull a fast one or he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. for those of you not farmiliar with boas a moonglow is a homozygous form of the hypo kahl albino and anery gene. this would mean his boa would have to be a motley het albino and het anery. he only makes mention that it is possible het anery.. and also suggests breeding it with a snowglow, which is a sharp strain moonglow that would not be compatable with the albino gene had this boa been a het.. anyways, SUPER fishy to say the least.

Below is the add mentioned


"Click to view fullsize





Monster Motley..
This 8ft 9inch fantastic snake is a sweetheart. I had her in my possession for nearly 2 years and a big part of me does not want to sell her but my projects have taken a different direction and I do need to downsize a bit. This J Stone line breeder has product 2 litters for me. Her first litter in May 2009 and her second litter was in March 2010. After her first litter, she really didn't have to put any weight back on cause of her size. Same thing again this year, she really didn't loose any weight. I dont have exact weight on her but can get it. She will eat thawed rats, g pigs, and rabbits. great feeder and she is puppy tame. While gravid with her first litter in early 2009 she did get some slightly burnt from laying under the hot lamps. They have long healed but did leave some scaring. She never had a mite on her. Very good feeder. Just an all around great animal and easy to work with. She can be bred with some of the newest morphs out there(SnowGlow would be nice) and produce a huge litter for you year after year. There is also a chance that she is het Anery(inquire). She has produced a calico. She also produced one albino(moonglow) in 2 litters. You will be very happy on having such a big motley in your collection. I have yet to see a bigger motley. She can be yours for $6500shipped.
*** REDUCED to $4000 shipped for this Monster***

Im sure you will make that back in her next litter alone, esp when she will probably be pushing out 40+ babies.

NO TRADES on this girl.

I can be reached at 978-317-6845. And please, serious inquiries only. Thank you "
 
I was in the process of working out a trade for a 09 female motley dh snow when I posted this inquiry. He wanted to trade for my 06 female proven breeder TH Moonglow. When I asked to see photos of the parents, he said he would get them for me tomorrow. When tomorrow came, he backed out of the deal with the excuse he didn't have the cage space for her. Kind of suspicious. Why initiate a trade deal if you don't have a cage to keep the snake in? Didn't seem to be an issue until I asked for photos.
 
Seems like more often than not the animals you really want tend to turn up with the shady dealers.. Thank you BOI, otherwise i probably wouldnt be in this hobby, even with the BOI its getting hard to not get ripped.
 
This is Dave... If anyone wants to email me about the moonglow I produced from a motley X moonglow breeding, I can show pics of the babies... I put that the motley I bred may be het anery because one, I produced a visiable moonglow, and 2 that all the Motleys double het snows all look very much like anery motleys.. I plan to breed the 2 male Motley double het snows to a moonglow and to a snow female this season.. If I get all aneries then that motley is het anery..
I produced 2 litters with that big motley X my moonglow male.. The first litter I only got one albino(which was a moonglow, again I have pics).. The second time I bred that pair I did not get any albinos out of 32 babies.. Its weird because I didnt get any Aneries, no ghosts, no ghost molteys, but again in this litter all the motleys double het snow look anery again..
Tell you the truth, I dont think its het anery.. But I cant wait to breed my 2 males this season and produce some of the first snow motleys and moonglow motleys. Thanks

Lee, I didnt get back with you on that trade because I purchased a big Albino het anery female from Scott at CV exotics.. He is also a great guy and that is where I got my Male Moonglow from.. He is also aware for both me litters I produced and he seen how the motleys look anery and he seen my Moonglow I produced..

Im gonna try to get the pics of the moonglow and the double het motleys that look anery on here.. If i cant figure out how to post, anyone can email me for those pics..

[email protected]
 
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Here is a pic of my moonglow breeding that motley in question
 
here is a pic of the first litter that produced a moonglow.. Note I havent removed the mother. And a closer up
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Pic right after I pulled the babies
<a href="http://s60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/gravedigger90904/?action=view&current=010.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/gravedigger90904/010.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
 
If anyone has any questions about any of my boas I have listed on Kingsnake.. I will surely be glad to talk on the phone about them.. I dont go on this site all to often as today was the first time I seen this post.. Thank you
Dave
978-317-6845
 
Bear

Im not sure how much boa breeding and experiance you have with Motleys in general. I dont know why I am 'defending' myself and my boas, but that term "SUPER fishy" didnt sit well with me, after I wrote to inquire about my mot being a poss het Anery. Anyway, the pics I just posted cleared that up cleary. All you had to do was inquire. And like I said, CV exotics are well aware of my breedings as well as the many referances I have.. Thank you




bear said:
He has an add out right now claiming he has a motley boa that produced two moonglows and is a possible het anery? lol either he is trying to pull a fast one or he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. for those of you not farmiliar with boas a moonglow is a homozygous form of the hypo kahl albino and anery gene. this would mean his boa would have to be a motley het albino and het anery. he only makes mention that it is possible het anery.. and also suggests breeding it with a snowglow, which is a sharp strain moonglow that would not be compatable with the albino gene had this boa been a het.. anyways, SUPER fishy to say the least.

Below is the add mentioned


"Click to view fullsize





Monster Motley..
This 8ft 9inch fantastic snake is a sweetheart. I had her in my possession for nearly 2 years and a big part of me does not want to sell her but my projects have taken a different direction and I do need to downsize a bit. This J Stone line breeder has product 2 litters for me. Her first litter in May 2009 and her second litter was in March 2010. After her first litter, she really didn't have to put any weight back on cause of her size. Same thing again this year, she really didn't loose any weight. I dont have exact weight on her but can get it. She will eat thawed rats, g pigs, and rabbits. great feeder and she is puppy tame. While gravid with her first litter in early 2009 she did get some slightly burnt from laying under the hot lamps. They have long healed but did leave some scaring. She never had a mite on her. Very good feeder. Just an all around great animal and easy to work with. She can be bred with some of the newest morphs out there(SnowGlow would be nice) and produce a huge litter for you year after year. There is also a chance that she is het Anery(inquire). She has produced a calico. She also produced one albino(moonglow) in 2 litters. You will be very happy on having such a big motley in your collection. I have yet to see a bigger motley. She can be yours for $6500shipped.
*** REDUCED to $4000 shipped for this Monster***

Im sure you will make that back in her next litter alone, esp when she will probably be pushing out 40+ babies.

NO TRADES on this girl.

I can be reached at 978-317-6845. And please, serious inquiries only. Thank you "
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ReticDog said:
Im not sure how much boa breeding and experiance you have with Motleys in general. I dont know why I am 'defending' myself and my boas, but that term "SUPER fishy" didnt sit well with me, after I wrote to inquire about my mot being a poss het Anery. Anyway, the pics I just posted cleared that up cleary. All you had to do was inquire. And like I said, CV exotics are well aware of my breedings as well as the many referances I have.. Thank you
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Dave, the reason i said it was "SUPER fishy" is because it is super fishy.. You know a boa produced a snow and you apparently dont know that producing a snow makes both parents 100% het anery and 100% albino at the least. Your motley boa has to be 100% het anery and 100% albino for it to produce a snow.

The fact that you advertised it as possible het anery and did not even mention the albino gene was fishy to me. I dont know anyone with high end animals like that that does not understand how genetics work, hense the fishy comment. usually people who post adds about high end animals and do not have a grasp on the genetics of them are scammers. After seeing your pics i think you may very well have just not understood the genetics. If your motley produced a snow it is 100% het albino and anery period.

"fishy" comment retracted at this point, just read up on your genetics before posting adds so that you present yourself as an experienced knowledgeable person so you dont raise any red flags. If you have any more questions about genetics pm me and I would be glad to help.
 
also, you mentioned breeding to a snowglow, which is a sharp line moonglow. These two lines are not compatible and would be pointless to pair together. Again im sure you can understand why i said "fishy".
 
Bear... I am very well educated with genetics and breeding... with that said, I wrote that ad the way I did cause I do not want to scam anyone. It is listed as just a motley because that is what I believe it is... after that first litter I didn't know what to think.. out of 29 babies I get one moonglow??? Let's leave the OR it was a fluke... I did buy the big motley as a 66% het albino.... yes I was still confused, not understanding gentics but understanding the genetics I produced... so this past season I paired up the motley with my moonglow again.. and guess what, zero albinos out of 32 babies... so IS she 100% het albino... you tell me.. out of 61 babies in 2 years I get one albino?? I say that moonglow was a fluke... ask jermy stone.. he produced an albino in a motley breeding where the motley was definatly not het for anything... and there were other flukes produced with motley breedings.. like a super motley being made from a motley x albino... that is why I ask you how much motley experiance u have.. on paper you are 100% correct.. but in the real world you are wrong and insulted my inteligence on a public forum without inquiring about het genetics which I wrote in the ad if anyone had questions... now on the anery part... yea I produced a moonglow but in both my litters I did not produce one aney, not one ghost, not one ghost motley, but most of my motleys look like anery mots.. now I never said my big girl was het anery because I still believe that the moonglow was a fluke and this year I plan on breeding the2 male motleys dbl het snow to see if infact they are visible anerys.. if they prove out then I will assume my girl is het anery.. but until then I will not sell her as het anery..... I'm just trying my hardest to do the right thing and NOT scam anyone.. and yes I plan on having some of the worlds first snow motleys and monglow mots next spring... thank you......
 
I agree with Dave 100%. Motleys have been known to produce a lot of "flukes" over the years. With only 1 albino and no for sure anerys, Dave is doing the right thing with his ad. I don't think Bear should be so quick to call him out on a public forum when it is obvious he doesn't have the experience that many others do with motleys. Personally I think Bear owes Dave an apology. While I don't know Dave personally, I've always found him to be an honest, stand up guy.

Oh yeah, since this motley is most likely not a het Kahl albino, a snoglow would be a perfectly fine choice for a mate.

Matt Crabe
 
Matt I have never heard of the Motley gene overriding the way recessive genes work. I assumed that a Normal motley would not be capable of producing visual anerys and visual albinos without being het for the traits. I know Matt by reputation to be a very credible guy with killer animals and although I have heard nothing like this before I will take his word for it. I have retracted my fishy statement in a previous post and will upgrade that to an apology. Dave im sorry for having suspicion with your add, I have heard nothing of "normal" motleys producing visual anerys and albinos without being het? It still doesnt sound right saying that out loud lol.. Anyways I hope you'll accept my apology, and if Matt vouches for you im sure your a stand up guy.

Alberto
 
Alberto, I accept your apology.. the motley doesn't override the recessive gene but it tends to throw flukes that's all.. that is why I enjoy working with the motley gene so much.. I'm gonna have some cool funky geneticly animals next spring.. I'm an honest guy who guarantees gentics on any hets I sell, along with paperwrk and photo id... and I always guarantee live healthy delivery with anything I sell.. boas are my passion and my plan is to be a well know guy with a great reputation... Matt thank you for the comments.. best of luck this comming season.. it will be here before you know it
 
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