Bad Guy DEAD SNAKES from Kevin South of The Constrictors Labrynth

[FLHerper34]

Also, again, I'd prefer to NOT say you sent out 3 snakes with IBD, but instead, allow you time to cure your stock, and move forward, untainted, good reputation, all this crap behind us.

This quote, especially the portion in bold, makes me think that Nick doesn't realize the gravity of his allegations. Maybe I'm reading things wrong though.

 

[Katie.Shinkle]

This quote, especially the portion in bold, makes me think that Nick doesn't realize the gravity of his allegations. Maybe I'm reading things wrong though.

I was thinking that as well. I don't keep snakes atm, but from what I understand, IBD is NOT curable. My guess is there is no vet report...probably not even any dead snakes.

 

[Devon Hodgins]

Every snake that gets diagnosed with IBD needs to be culled to prevent accidental spread to others collection.

IBD is not curable. It is the boa/python equivalent of cancer/aids. It is very nasty and not nuch is known about it. That is what makes it so scary.

 

[HerpVenue]

Every snake that gets diagnosed with IBD needs to be culled to prevent accidental spread to others collection.

IBD is not curable. It is the boa/python equivalent of cancer/aids. It is very nasty and not nuch is known about it. That is what makes it so scary.

Correct me if I am wrong.... But to diagnose IBD, you would need tissue samples. To get tissue samples you would need a necropsy. To get a necropsy you would need a dead snake. To get a dead snake you would need to cull it. To cull it, you would need an IBD diagnosis. But to diagnose IBD you would need tissue samples. To get tissue samples you would........

nevermind. I am confused now.

 

[Devon Hodgins]

I ment to say that a snake that was diagnosed with IBD in a collection should be culled.

You can preform a test for IBD on a live snake but it is nowhere near accurate.

 

[HerpVenue]

Now that I did not know. I have been away for far too long. Thanks

 

[hhmoore]

There is a blood test...but a negative result does not necessarily mean the snake doesn't have IBD.
Live liver biopsies are much more accurate (I don't think they provide the accuracy of a set of organ samples, though); but they are invasive & expensive.

 

[Devon Hodgins]

I have heard stories of people having 6-7 test done on one animal and then all of a sudden a positive pops up. These test a very new, very stressfull, and VERY innacurate.

back to the topic though.

I would like these two questions answered by both parties.

Kevin: Why did you send him two free boas without even getting proof of said illnesses. It seems to me that if you didnt send these snakes out in these bad condition then you would be as sceptical of this as us.

Nick: What more do you want from Kevin? You got reimbursed and two free boas. What more could you ask for? Why did you want his other two boas that he sent you if you suspected IBD?

 

[CART]

Nicholas expressed unhappiness over the appearance of the Het sharp. I was confident of his health so I offered a 60 guarantee with promise of refund.

He complained about the Coral Albino not being a Coral. I knew she was, but in order to appease his concern and keep a happy customer. I offered a pair of PH jungle VPI boas.

This was all done on 3/18/11, LONG BEFORE the accusations AND BEFORE I Googled Nicholas Giavasis and discovered what kind of person he is.

All he is wanting now is MORE FREE boas.

 

[RobNJ]

I cannot say much about Kevin at this point...selling overly thin and wheezing snakes just isn't an appropriate move. Nor, to my knowledge, is packing multiple snakes in the same container/bag for shipment. Bad judgment? Bad practice? More needs to be seen and heard from Kevin regarding this situation and the IBD accusations/blackmail.

Nick Giavasis, on the other hand, seems to be a scourge to the reptile community. I have read this post as well as the past BOI threads on him, and he continues to go on in a completely unprofessional manner. Lies, smoke and mirrors, lack of ethics and morals, etc, etc... He can(and probably will) continue to be a nightmare of a buyer/seller if people aren't aware of him...causing many unnecessary grief and turmoil. One can only hope he gives up the gig sooner or later and sticks to fossils, minerals, antiques...non-living things.

 

[bloodybaroness]

Nicholas expressed unhappiness over the appearance of the Het sharp. I was confident of his health so I offered a 60 guarantee with promise of refund.

He complained about the Coral Albino not being a Coral. I knew she was, but in order to appease his concern and keep a happy customer. I offered a pair of PH jungle VPI boas.

This was all done on 3/18/11, LONG BEFORE the accusations AND BEFORE I Googled Nicholas Giavasis and discovered what kind of person he is.

All he is wanting now is MORE FREE boas.

Kevin I would not give him one shred of aspen, much less any more boas.

 

[Southern Wolf]

Nick was on yesterday after Kevin posted the emails between them. Nick has had time to scan and post the vet reports (if he really had them).

Since he has not posted said reports while he was online, then IMO we should drop the whole IBD train of thought.

Even with Kevin sending out thin snakes he does not deserve to have his whole collection associated with something as bad as IBD. At this point, it seems to me that Nick was just trying to use that as a strong arm tactic to get what he wants. After everything else I have seen Nick do here on Fauna this really doesn't surprise me much.

There has been two members here that have attested to the fact that Nick can not possibly have a vet report confirming IBD. One that took a preventative measure and had one of her snakes checked for the safety of her collection, and one that is in the medical field.

 

[colorado]

~I (Nick) has NOT "disappeared"!
~I do NOT keep or sell sick snakes, I was SOLD sick snakes
~Spoke to Kevin, he agreed to replace sick animals he sent to me.
~I got these snakes in the mail, from Kevin, I had no idea they were like this!
~I am not to blame, he sent them to me!
~I'm a proud person, I've done nothing wrong, I'm professional, I quarantine my in-coming animals
~I care for my animals, inspect them daily, and work to uphold the highest of standrards!
~I do not, will not, and or would not knowing sell an ill snake.
~I hide nothing, I work to maintain a high level of care and protection for my animals, and no one need worry.
~ANYONE AND EVERYONE that I deal with, knows I care, I care, I care!
~I work to the highest levels of care, and I am honest.
~ We maintain an absoluetly as-clean-as-humanly-possible living area for our animals!.
~I was mailed sick snakes, I do not keep sick snakes.
~Rest assured that we approach these issues with seriousness, professionalism, and a determination to correct any issues at hand.
~Nothing short of proper actions would take place, nothing short of a a determination to correct any and all issues would exist.
~Anyone that knows me, knows that I'm clean, organized, and dedicated.
~I'm trying to get this vet report from "Kevin South's snake" attached, so you can see what HIS snake possessed upon arrival.
~Know we have only kept and will keep healthy snakes. If we were to ever learn of an ill snake, as we were recently sent, we'd certainly not hide that fact......we were more than open with the matter of Kevin South sending us his ill stock.
~I did nothing wrong, I merely posted a thread that SOMEONE ELSE SENT ME SICK SNAKES, I am not the one that should be attacked!.........I'M THE VICTIM, I RECIEVED THE SICK SNAKES, I PAID FOR SNAKES THAT WERE SENT TO ME SICK.
~VET REPORT COMING SOON!!!!!

 

[colorado]

Southern Wolf, no Brother, I have it. It's in a PDF and I'm not computer-savvy enough....trying to get it to attach.
Of course I have it........as stated.
I was sent sick snakes, that is the long and short of it!
I was NOT the one that advertised and shipped sick snakes, it was Kevin....I recieved the sick snakes, HELLO PEOPLE!!!!!!! He sent me sick snakes!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Riyeko]

~I do NOT keep or sell sick snakes, I was SOLD sick snakes

You stated previously in the beginning pages of this thread, that one of the snakes that Kevin sold to you, you sold to a young couple. The snake then died there.
The snake you sold, died AFTER the other two did.

~Spoke to Kevin, he agreed to replace sick animals he sent to me.

Well good on him for replacing the animals.

~I'm a proud person, I've done nothing wrong, I'm professional, I quarantine my in-coming animals

How long was it between you getting the snakes from Kevin and you selling that one snake to the young couple?

~I do not, will not, and or would not knowing sell an ill snake.

Refer to the first quote about you selling the snake, that came with the sick and dying ones, to the young couple.

~I hide nothing, I work to maintain a high level of care and protection for my animals, and no one need worry.
~I work to the highest levels of care, and I am honest.
~I was mailed sick snakes, I do not keep sick snakes.
~Rest assured that we approach these issues with seriousness, professionalism, and a determination to correct any issues at hand.
~Nothing short of proper actions would take place, nothing short of a a determination to correct any and all issues would exist.

~VET REPORT COMING SOON!!!!![/QUOTE]

*waits patiently*

 

[Riyeko]

Southern Wolf, no Brother, I have it. It's in a PDF and I'm not computer-savvy enough....trying to get it to attach.
Of course I have it........as stated.
I was sent sick snakes, that is the long and short of it!
I was NOT the one that advertised and shipped sick snakes, it was Kevin....I recieved the sick snakes, HELLO PEOPLE!!!!!!! He sent me sick snakes!!!!!!!!!!

Open the program on your computer.
Look around on your keyboard and find the "print screen" or "prt scrn" button.
Press it ONCE.
Open Microsoft Paint.
Click Edit.
Click Paste.
Save the picture as JPEG format on your desktop.
Come here, upload.
???

Profit!

 

[aleria]

~I do NOT keep or sell sick snakes, I was SOLD sick snakes
~I do not, will not, and or would not knowing sell an ill snake.

Wrong, you sold a snake that you claimed yourself looked skinny and ill that was in a bag with another mucous oozing snake. That means you sold a sick snake, period.

~I got these snakes in the mail, from Kevin, I had no idea they were like this!

Wrong, you knew they were "like this" when you took them out of the bag and complained of one oozing mucous and another being too skinny.

~I am not to blame, he sent them to me!

Wrong, you are to blame in lying about IBD infected animals when it is impossible for you to have gotten an immediate result of IBD infection at this point from a vet. You are also to blame in selling off a snake that was in immediate contact with another visibly sick snake without quarantining it yourself to make sure it did not acquire the same illness. You just flipped it and could have very easily spread IBD to yet another collection if that were actually what was wrong with these snakes.

~I'm a proud person, I've done nothing wrong, I'm professional, I quarantine my in-coming animals
~I care for my animals, inspect them daily, and work to uphold the highest of standrards!
~I hide nothing, I work to maintain a high level of care and protection for my animals, and no one need worry.
~ANYONE AND EVERYONE that I deal with, knows I care, I care, I care!
~I work to the highest levels of care, and I am honest.
~ We maintain an absoluetly as-clean-as-humanly-possible living area for our animals!.

Wrong, you have shown absolutely zero proof of this after repeated requests since your initial opening of this thread by multiple people who are very concerned especially considering IBD being brought into the equation.

~I was mailed sick snakes, I do not keep sick snakes.

Your right here, you don't keep sick snakes, instead you sell them to attempt to recoup your own "losses".

~I did nothing wrong, I merely posted a thread that SOMEONE ELSE SENT ME SICK SNAKES, I am not the one that should be attacked!.........I'M THE VICTIM, I RECIEVED THE SICK SNAKES, I PAID FOR SNAKES THAT WERE SENT TO ME SICK.
~VET REPORT COMING SOON!!!!!

Wrong again, you are far from being "attacked" people are just getting extremely tired of your ridiculous claims and back peddling with zero proof given to anyone no matter how many times it has been asked for. Instead it was Kevin that finally came and posted the email correspondence and showed us exactly what you were doing, which looks like nothing more than posturing and blackmail to get more free snakes.

 

[hhmoore]

Nick, in light of that last post, I'm afraid I must have misinterpreted your earlier comment.

I prefer to have that amount, minus the $125 you've covered with a pair that I also need to dump because of fears they are bad too.

Since you clearly wouldn't sell a sick (or potentially sick) snake, would you be so kind as to explain what you meant by needing to dump the other pair of snakes?

 

[colorado]

If someone can tell me how to copy and paste this PDF, I will post the report for KEVIN'S SNAKE!
~AGAIN, I GOT THESE IN THE MAIL.
~To address couple that got 2nd snake, I was yet unaware of the issue. I mentioned to them what Kevin told me, he was light. I am NOT as experienced as some of you. If I made a mistake, I am fixing it with them as well as possible. I have been open, honest, and serving to the persons that got their hands on KEVIN'S sick snake. I will more than take care of my buyers, trust me.
~If anyone wants me to email them a copy direct, feel free to email me and I'll attach copy of vet report.
~I hide nothing
~I am professional
~I did not breed the snake
~Kevin sold me sick snakes, and being FAR more experienced than we are, he would have had to known.......but we just learning.
~We wrote to fauna to make this known, we hide nothing....and we're attacked?! Really!
~We stand behind any and all sales!
~Our home is extremely clean, anyone that has visited will say just that!
~Our animals are clean and well cared for....this has freaked us OUT!
~We did not request sick snakes, Kevin sent them to us!
~If you want copy of report, email at:
[email protected]
and you shall recieve!
~We are professional, caring, dedicated, and not sure why Kevin's sick snakes would harm us so deeply......he sent them to us!

 

[Southern Wolf]

~I (Nick) has NOT "disappeared"!
~I do NOT keep or sell sick snakes, I was SOLD sick snakes

Liar!!! You got 3 snakes in a bag with problems... and you sold at least one of those 3. You do sell sick snakes.

~I am not to blame, he sent them to me!

And you in turn passed the problem onto your customers... you are to blame. You did the same thing he did.

~I'm a proud person, I've done nothing wrong, I'm professional, I quarantine my in-coming animals

BS.... if you quarantined your incoming animals... you shouldn't have sold them so soon after arrival... thus your customers wouldn't have a problem right now. But for you it's all about the $$$'s

~I care for my animals, inspect them daily, and work to uphold the highest of standrards!

~I do not, will not, and or would not knowing sell an ill snake.

So you got three in the same bag, one had mucus or something coming from its head... and you sold one. Yeah... your a piller of the community. Maybe you should get more in the KNOW before you get into this business.

~I hide nothing, I work to maintain a high level of care and protection for my animals, and no one need worry.

By everything you have typed... EVERYONE needs to worry when doing business with you.

~ANYONE AND EVERYONE that I deal with, knows I care, I care, I care!

You care about the money... .nothing more. Otherwise you wouldn't have sold a snake that came in with one that had a potential problem. You would have held onto it to make sure it was ok.

~I work to the highest levels of care, and I am honest.

ummmm yeah... Ok

~I was mailed sick snakes, I do not keep sick snakes.

For once you have the gods honest truth. You dont keep sick snakes... you send them to your customers so you dont have to deal with them.

~I did nothing wrong, I merely posted a thread that SOMEONE ELSE SENT ME SICK SNAKES, I am not the one that should be attacked!.........I'M THE VICTIM, I RECIEVED THE SICK SNAKES, I PAID FOR SNAKES THAT WERE SENT TO ME SICK.
~VET REPORT COMING SOON!!!!!

Yes you did... .you sold animals from the same shipment. Thus you put your customers in the same position you're in. Maybe they should come here and make a BOI thread about you.