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So they are all being quarantined now, that is good to hear. Were they exposed at any point, even as far down the line as wearing the same clothes while handling them as you did when handling the snake from Nick?
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Bad Guy DEAD SNAKES from Kevin South of The Constrictors Labrynth
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So they are all being quarantined now, that is good to hear. Were they exposed at any point, even as far down the line as wearing the same clothes while handling them as you did when handling the snake from Nick?
milkshake8882
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Only one snake had "contact", although not direct. The ball python we bought that day didn't have direct contact with the Boa, but yes, wearing the same clothes that day. To answer the other question, yes, he disclosed that the snake had not eaten since he had it. He explained that the previous owner stated.it had eaten for him prior to shipping. Since the snake was not showing any immediate signal of being sick, I was too concerned about the eating, as I have had boas fast before.
SirenSanJose
aka: dheideman
IBD experts: can someone say for sure if a month is long enough for an animal to become infected, or not?
IF the final necropsy comes back positive for IBD, how does the timeframe work? Given it was at Kevin's for 2 years, and Nick's for a full month, is there the possibility it could have been infected at either place? Or if it comes back positive, is it for-sure from Kevin's? I don't really know the incubation period of this disease, or how fast it spreads.
IF the final necropsy comes back positive for IBD, how does the timeframe work? Given it was at Kevin's for 2 years, and Nick's for a full month, is there the possibility it could have been infected at either place? Or if it comes back positive, is it for-sure from Kevin's? I don't really know the incubation period of this disease, or how fast it spreads.
hhmoore
tired & cranky shadow
A snake could be infected quickly, given the necessary exposure....but infection, symptoms, and death are very different things. As has been stated, the presence of inclusion bodies is not an automatic IBD diagnosis. Further, it is difficult to assess from the preliminary exam what the actual cause of death was. Septicemia, anorexia, and IBD can be each sole causes, or they can be comorbidities. Did the septicemia and anorexia trigger the IBD response, or were they a result of it. IMO, it's just speculation at this point...and the final results may or may not add clarity (other than confirmation that IBD was a factor)
hhmoore
tired & cranky shadow
*I am NOT an expert on IBD....nor do I play one on TV.
The above was just my opinion, based on conversation, reviewing reports, and common sense.
The above was just my opinion, based on conversation, reviewing reports, and common sense.
bloodybaroness
Captain Titsworth
So any updates on the cultures? Or additional vet information?
colorado
New member
No Update Yet, I am waiting too
Hello People ;-)
No update yet. We too are waiting. It goes through either CU or CSU, and I was told they are on end of semester break at the university.
For the record, we asked multiple vets, and no, it can not show up "quickly" as someone suggested in this thread (no offense intended). It takes time to have these effects upon a snake, especially an older snake. If it we a baby, signs show fairly quick, but not with adults.
For the record, the snake was a 2007, and it arrived to us at 700-ish grams, and the 2006 was around 500 grams. Folks, these are Boa, 06 and 07, arrived to us at 500 and +/-700 grams. Yes, you are reading it correctly. Tell me, how would you have felt if someone sends you snakes of this age at these weights?
For the record, I inquired about the light weight, and we were told "we keep our males really light", that's what we were told. We then also told our buyer the sanke was new to us, that it was being quarantined, that we were told it was "light", that it was our intent to monitor and help it to gain weight, and our buyers still wanted to buy. The buyers of this dead snake, we're actually friends now, our families will picnic together more than once this summer....so there is a silver lining ;-)
Also, for the record, we all know that we were attacked, needlessly, and uncontrollably, for no reason, and that much rational was tossed out the window by some of our attackers......but we hold no malice....sometimes people say uneducated and or unfounded things because they get caught up in the moment, or because they want to show support for a friend, even when he may have been wrong. Sometimes people talk merely to hear themselves speak, even when they may know what they are saying could be 100% incorrect, especially if/when a friend calls them and asks them to attack us.
For the record, we do not and have not knowing sold ill snakes, that's not who we are, never has been. Anyone that really knows us, knows we are very forward, very blunt, very out-going, and that money is NOT our concern or motive.
For the record NONE of our main colony shows any signs of illness, weight loss, or any other effects. Our main colony never came into contact with our quarantined snakes. All of our colony, 100% of them, have fed, without concern, and all are visually clear, clean, strong, active, healthy, and inspected and handled daily!
For the record, we clean daily, handle daily, inspect daily, change water no less than daily, and often times 2-3 times daily.
For the record, our colony is handled in a clinical manner, we use gloves when cleaning, we use anti-viral as well as anti-germ.
For the record, I take part in this hobby for and with my daughters, as a family. They are straight A students in science, biology, etc., and I actually taught for a few years. We're educated, and we care! It has been hinted by one person inparticular that we "sell sick snakes", but nothing could be further from the truth. We not only go above and beyond what most snake owners do, but we truly care about the health, safety, security, and happiness of our animals. Whomever could open their mouths and say that we'd sell sick snakes, simply put, that person is vastly uneducated, clearly does not know us, must be a friend/supporter of the person that sold us sick snakes with weights of 500 for a 2006 and 700 grams for a 2007. There could be no other explanation, because he was/is wrong, period.
Please, logically, ask yourself this question, "why would WE create the thread to tell and warn everyone else, if we felt we had done something wrong?". Would we not instead work to hide these facts? Why would we bring these things to light, just for the heck of it? Yes, the person that sold us the sick snakes, he clearly has more friends on fauna, but after being attacked the way we were, after being called names, accused of things we'd never do, after being told how bad we were.....we're simply not sure any of our attackers would be the type of humans we'd enjoy as friends anyway....so he can have those supporters....we'll take the good people that shows level-heads, a calm, a reasoning, and worked to discuss the matters without attacking us.
Yes, I admit, I totally screwed up selling the quarantined snake too soon ,I admit that....and that is MY fault...and I have made it up to my customer 5 times over!!!!! They are happy, they have stated here on fauna they are happy with us and the outcome. We took it upon ourselves to provide them with not 1, not 2, but 3 new snakes, with full warranty, no questions asked......now tell me, who does that.....someone that doesn't care, or someone that DOES CARE?
Please, understand.....we did not respond to many of the attacks because the thread became like a school of jackels, like a group of Pilgrims screaming "WITCH, BURN THE WITCH!", or like a group of teenagers at school picking on the new kids that couldn't protect themselves. With this said, as a family, we knew that any response we submitted would have feel upon deaf ears anyway.....due to the MOB mentality which was present at the time. Clearly, we're not describing all of the entries, all of the people on fauna, as there are many very highly educated and good people on fauna. Clearly, if you attacked us without knowing or caring about the facts, you know who you are, so if the show fits, wear it, and as my youngest daughters said, "shame on you". if you were one of our supports, one of the level-headed thinkers, thank you so very much for taking the time to speak logically.
For the record, and then we'll work to never post on fauna again.......we'd like to say, I'd like to say, We're sorry, "I" am sorry, we made a mistake releasing the sick snake sold to us by Kevin South, we made it up to our buyers. Nobody fixed our problem, we are still out many hundreds of dollars due to the seller of the sick animals, he has our money, and yet, we're cool with it. He crushed us, crushed my kids belief in people quite a bit, ruined any normalcy we could have ever had on fauna, but also taught us some very valuable lessons. Karma has a way of catching up with people.........so in the end, we know good will come to us.
For the record, moving forward, as always, we'll always work to be/do better. We're an honest and loving family, we care about our animals, we do not sell sick snakes (as implied by someone which clearly must see himself in-type), and I'll guarantee we keep our snake area as clean or cleaner than any other hobbyist out there. The fact of the matter is, you'd be hard pressed to find a family that cares as much! We were railroaded on this thread, and many of you know it.
As for the report update, as soon as we hear from the Vet, you'll hear from us. Until then, again, we/I apologize for anything I may have done or said wrong to anyone. I'm not perfect, but I can say, without question, that we hvae never set out to purposely misrepresent, purposely take advantage of, or purposely do wrong when concerning any business dealings. We rescue aniamls at any and every given chance......I/we know who we are, and we know we're caring, loving, and giving when it comes to all wildlife/animals, so we know, deep inside of our souls, regardless of what anyone out there might say, that there's no way on earth we'd purposely do what some have implied.....we simply do NOT have it in us to act in such a manner. The basic fact of the matter is: we were ripped off........and yes, it really was/is that simple.
Now, no more words, they only get in the way of the truth.
Thanks for listening and have a wonderful evening/life ;-)
Peace, it's a good thing~
Hello People ;-)
No update yet. We too are waiting. It goes through either CU or CSU, and I was told they are on end of semester break at the university.
For the record, we asked multiple vets, and no, it can not show up "quickly" as someone suggested in this thread (no offense intended). It takes time to have these effects upon a snake, especially an older snake. If it we a baby, signs show fairly quick, but not with adults.
For the record, the snake was a 2007, and it arrived to us at 700-ish grams, and the 2006 was around 500 grams. Folks, these are Boa, 06 and 07, arrived to us at 500 and +/-700 grams. Yes, you are reading it correctly. Tell me, how would you have felt if someone sends you snakes of this age at these weights?
For the record, I inquired about the light weight, and we were told "we keep our males really light", that's what we were told. We then also told our buyer the sanke was new to us, that it was being quarantined, that we were told it was "light", that it was our intent to monitor and help it to gain weight, and our buyers still wanted to buy. The buyers of this dead snake, we're actually friends now, our families will picnic together more than once this summer....so there is a silver lining ;-)
Also, for the record, we all know that we were attacked, needlessly, and uncontrollably, for no reason, and that much rational was tossed out the window by some of our attackers......but we hold no malice....sometimes people say uneducated and or unfounded things because they get caught up in the moment, or because they want to show support for a friend, even when he may have been wrong. Sometimes people talk merely to hear themselves speak, even when they may know what they are saying could be 100% incorrect, especially if/when a friend calls them and asks them to attack us.
For the record, we do not and have not knowing sold ill snakes, that's not who we are, never has been. Anyone that really knows us, knows we are very forward, very blunt, very out-going, and that money is NOT our concern or motive.
For the record NONE of our main colony shows any signs of illness, weight loss, or any other effects. Our main colony never came into contact with our quarantined snakes. All of our colony, 100% of them, have fed, without concern, and all are visually clear, clean, strong, active, healthy, and inspected and handled daily!
For the record, we clean daily, handle daily, inspect daily, change water no less than daily, and often times 2-3 times daily.
For the record, our colony is handled in a clinical manner, we use gloves when cleaning, we use anti-viral as well as anti-germ.
For the record, I take part in this hobby for and with my daughters, as a family. They are straight A students in science, biology, etc., and I actually taught for a few years. We're educated, and we care! It has been hinted by one person inparticular that we "sell sick snakes", but nothing could be further from the truth. We not only go above and beyond what most snake owners do, but we truly care about the health, safety, security, and happiness of our animals. Whomever could open their mouths and say that we'd sell sick snakes, simply put, that person is vastly uneducated, clearly does not know us, must be a friend/supporter of the person that sold us sick snakes with weights of 500 for a 2006 and 700 grams for a 2007. There could be no other explanation, because he was/is wrong, period.
Please, logically, ask yourself this question, "why would WE create the thread to tell and warn everyone else, if we felt we had done something wrong?". Would we not instead work to hide these facts? Why would we bring these things to light, just for the heck of it? Yes, the person that sold us the sick snakes, he clearly has more friends on fauna, but after being attacked the way we were, after being called names, accused of things we'd never do, after being told how bad we were.....we're simply not sure any of our attackers would be the type of humans we'd enjoy as friends anyway....so he can have those supporters....we'll take the good people that shows level-heads, a calm, a reasoning, and worked to discuss the matters without attacking us.
Yes, I admit, I totally screwed up selling the quarantined snake too soon ,I admit that....and that is MY fault...and I have made it up to my customer 5 times over!!!!! They are happy, they have stated here on fauna they are happy with us and the outcome. We took it upon ourselves to provide them with not 1, not 2, but 3 new snakes, with full warranty, no questions asked......now tell me, who does that.....someone that doesn't care, or someone that DOES CARE?
Please, understand.....we did not respond to many of the attacks because the thread became like a school of jackels, like a group of Pilgrims screaming "WITCH, BURN THE WITCH!", or like a group of teenagers at school picking on the new kids that couldn't protect themselves. With this said, as a family, we knew that any response we submitted would have feel upon deaf ears anyway.....due to the MOB mentality which was present at the time. Clearly, we're not describing all of the entries, all of the people on fauna, as there are many very highly educated and good people on fauna. Clearly, if you attacked us without knowing or caring about the facts, you know who you are, so if the show fits, wear it, and as my youngest daughters said, "shame on you". if you were one of our supports, one of the level-headed thinkers, thank you so very much for taking the time to speak logically.
For the record, and then we'll work to never post on fauna again.......we'd like to say, I'd like to say, We're sorry, "I" am sorry, we made a mistake releasing the sick snake sold to us by Kevin South, we made it up to our buyers. Nobody fixed our problem, we are still out many hundreds of dollars due to the seller of the sick animals, he has our money, and yet, we're cool with it. He crushed us, crushed my kids belief in people quite a bit, ruined any normalcy we could have ever had on fauna, but also taught us some very valuable lessons. Karma has a way of catching up with people.........so in the end, we know good will come to us.
For the record, moving forward, as always, we'll always work to be/do better. We're an honest and loving family, we care about our animals, we do not sell sick snakes (as implied by someone which clearly must see himself in-type), and I'll guarantee we keep our snake area as clean or cleaner than any other hobbyist out there. The fact of the matter is, you'd be hard pressed to find a family that cares as much! We were railroaded on this thread, and many of you know it.
As for the report update, as soon as we hear from the Vet, you'll hear from us. Until then, again, we/I apologize for anything I may have done or said wrong to anyone. I'm not perfect, but I can say, without question, that we hvae never set out to purposely misrepresent, purposely take advantage of, or purposely do wrong when concerning any business dealings. We rescue aniamls at any and every given chance......I/we know who we are, and we know we're caring, loving, and giving when it comes to all wildlife/animals, so we know, deep inside of our souls, regardless of what anyone out there might say, that there's no way on earth we'd purposely do what some have implied.....we simply do NOT have it in us to act in such a manner. The basic fact of the matter is: we were ripped off........and yes, it really was/is that simple.
Now, no more words, they only get in the way of the truth.
Thanks for listening and have a wonderful evening/life ;-)
Peace, it's a good thing~
Southern Wolf
I don't bite..... HARD!!!
How would your customers feel knowing that you will try to dump animals on them when you know they are sick?
And that tells me alot about your buyers morals and ethics. If they are willing to hang out with you knowing that you will dump sick snakes on unsuspecting buyers.... then
I could really care less about what you hold against me. The only person wrong in this situation is you! When are you going to get it thru your thick skull that it's not ok to pawn off sick animals on your customers. Quit pretending like it didn't happen. You've been caught with your hand in the cookie jar.
For the record.... no one called me or asked me to put in my .02 cents worth. I put it in because I despise people like you.
Dude... give it a rest. You've already been busted by your own words. Do you honestly think that if you say it enough times it might become true. You're a bold face liar. FOR THE RECORD... YOU WILL KNOWINGLY SELL SICK SNAKES IF YOU THINK YOU CAN FIND A BUYER!!!!!
And you're teaching them how to be dishonest with no ethics or morals. Yeah.... your a pillar of the community.
As for it being hinted about you selling sick snakes. Dude.... you might want to put some salt on your foot... it may make it taste better.
It was YOU that PROVED you sell sick snakes
See... these are your words
Well since you asked..... could it be because your stooopid? You have been proven a liar in this thread more times than I can count and you keep saying the same things over and over... when it was your words that proved you were lying. What else are we supposed to think?
Actually... I dont know him and Im not his friend. However I do stand for what's right. And your right about not enjoying me as a friend. You'd not be welcomed around me. I tend to hang out with folks that have ethics and morals. You wouldn't like me very much.
Someone that hopes they can buy a clear name. Nope... wont happen. You'll still be the person that tries to dump off sick animals on unsuspecting customers.
see.... I'll show ya again.
You knew he was ill and could die... but yet you still say your gonna try to sell him in the next few days. That shows you have no morals and no ethics.
Actually.... a witch would be an improvement over what you have done.
It's the highly educated and good people on here that have a problem with your business practices, ethics and morals. As for shame on me
You're the one that should be holding his head down low.
Actually....YOU crushed YOU. As for your kids belief in people.... all I will say is that in order to teach them the right things... you must first know the right things to teach.
For the record!!!
So is honesty... and if you would be honest... then maybe we would have some peace
RobNJ
New member
Quite a dramatic exit...
Nick, it's not at all about mob rule, mudslinging, and who's friends with whom, and it's especially not about educated vs. uneducated...and speaking in such a condescending manner to everyone just uproots any sort of 'good guy' facade you try to display.
I, and I'm sure many others, am still curious as to what exactly you meant when you told Kevin that you would try to sell the boa if it remained ill. One does not need to be superbly educated to understand those words of yours.
Nick, it's not at all about mob rule, mudslinging, and who's friends with whom, and it's especially not about educated vs. uneducated...and speaking in such a condescending manner to everyone just uproots any sort of 'good guy' facade you try to display.
I, and I'm sure many others, am still curious as to what exactly you meant when you told Kevin that you would try to sell the boa if it remained ill. One does not need to be superbly educated to understand those words of yours.
And you turned right around and tried to cut your losses by selling a sick snake.
From other threads, you are sickeningly condescending both in transactions, and now, to the Fauna community. You are a loss as a parent because you still haven't manned up and accepted responsibility, I feel sorry for your children. And of course, for the unfortunate snakes in your care.
Southern Wolf
I don't bite..... HARD!!!
Im still waiting to see how he tries to spin his words that I keep posting.
Im thinking he would make a heck of a politician. Let me guess Nick.... you didn't inhale or have sex with that woman? Just like Clinton... you have been caught... but you still fail to fess up.
Im thinking he would make a heck of a politician. Let me guess Nick.... you didn't inhale or have sex with that woman? Just like Clinton... you have been caught... but you still fail to fess up.
kylerimb
New member
unless i'm mistaken, and i apologize if i am, you have not provided any sort of proof that anything you've said is true. your customers, and other fauna members have done everything. so, who knows if/what you are hiding?
garweft
Inventor of the Internets
That's the problem. You don't feel you are doing anything wrong. Your own words.....
That is wrong. If you don't think so you need to rethink how you do things.
milkshake8882
New member
Final Necropsy Report: IBD
Here is the final report... looks like the poor snake had a WHOLE lot going on before he was initially sold....
Here is the final report... looks like the poor snake had a WHOLE lot going on before he was initially sold....
Firebill
Iamcornholio
So quiet you can hear a pin drop. So that's a total of 4 people who has had this snake in their posession/collection except we don't know who Kevin got it from or has it been stated?
And, given how quick Nick was to unload this snake while it was still in quarantine at his house, and then turn around and try to put a halo over his own head, I don't believe anything he says about his own quarantine procedures.
This is scary, for a lot of people.
This is scary, for a lot of people.
milkshake8882
New member
Im just wondering, with as much damage that the snake had to its organs, does anyone know approximately how much time it takes to do this much damage to an animal.....? From what the vet tells me, it was pretty extensive.
colorado
New member
Not saying I'm 100% innocent
A "halo on my head"? LOL!
I was asked if I wanted to sell the snake. I repeat, I explained to our buyer the snake was new to us. They knew, they were told. Not trying to be perfect....I'm saying I do NOT knowing sell ill animals! I asked Kevin about the weight, he said he "keeps all of his males really thin". Yeah!!
My goal was/is to make sure everyone else knew about the ill snake. I started the thread!!!!...then I was crushed for trying to help. Not fair. I brought to light that Kevin sold us sick snakes. I need no credit, no pat on the back, no "innocent" verdict, etc.....but I also do not need it said that I normally sell sick snakes.....it is simply NOT true! NOT true.
Listen, our level of care is high, and genuine. We worry about what we feed our 'feeders' every night, LOL, let alone what goes into or around our snakes. Seriously, we worry that our feeders are getting fruits, veggies, essential minerals and vitamins, so those quality foods transfer to our beautiful snakes......so it's utterly ridiculous to imply we'd sell ill snakes.
We got snakes from Kevin South, we made a bad decision and sold one, we were told the snake died, we tried to reach Kevin, he changed his tele#, he did not answer emails, so what were we to do?
I intended to write Kevin tonight, in a last attempt to create civil
conversation, so we can cure the hard feelings, discover who had originally sold the sick snake, and then move forward, professionally, wiser.
We under this roof want to solve the problems, yet we're attacked. I swore yesterday I'd never type another entry, LMAO, but that would be counter productive.
Know this, all in all, we're out +/- $1000 due to Kevin's snakes, no, more. That's not a ficticious number, it's fact. He says he sent a $500 pair of snakes, LOL, but sadly that is not true....he first tried to sell them to me for $200, not $500! Also, we stated to Kevin, "if they are worth $500, how about we sent them back and he sends us the $500"? No reply from Kevin on that request, LOL!
This got way out of control. Every word is ripped apart, many different personalities, things are twisted, changed, misunderstood, that changes everything. No time for the haters......the positive people need to help look beyond the childish behaviors.
The facts are simple. Kevin packed & shipped the box, we merely opened the box. I made a mistake selling. It is NOT like me to do such a silly thing......I tend to be technical with most matters, I slipped-up, it was an error, I admitted it, and it will never happen again. But where is Kevin?
Again, Kevin's words, "I keep my male snakes thin". LOL! Yeah, SO THIN! We were taken advantage of.....and we feel that Kevin knows this to be true. My take is that Kevin now feels badly, maybe feels he's painted himself into a corner, so we're not talking currently. I would like to change that, to hopefully work to a positive end to all of this.
Listen, I can only speak for mysef when I say we keep a clean snake area, some say "WOW-Clean", we do the surgical glove-thing, and more. We care!
Know this: THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS THAT WE HAVE NOT LEFT OUR BUYERS ALONE, HANGING, WITHOUT THEIR MONEY. The difference is this, we sold that snake for $100, exactly what we paid for it, and yet, we've replaced that dead snake with not 1 snake, not 2 snakes, but "3" snakes, all worth 2-3 times the amount of just the one snake Kevin sold to us. That is the difference!! So, if you are going to hate or attack, you are pointing your hatred in the wrong direction. We HOOKED OUR BUYERS UP!!!!!.....while Kevin has disappeared on us, with our money.
As stated, I will make another respectful attempt to reach Kevin tonight.
We only want the PROBLEM SOLVED.
A "halo on my head"? LOL!
I was asked if I wanted to sell the snake. I repeat, I explained to our buyer the snake was new to us. They knew, they were told. Not trying to be perfect....I'm saying I do NOT knowing sell ill animals! I asked Kevin about the weight, he said he "keeps all of his males really thin". Yeah!!
My goal was/is to make sure everyone else knew about the ill snake. I started the thread!!!!...then I was crushed for trying to help. Not fair. I brought to light that Kevin sold us sick snakes. I need no credit, no pat on the back, no "innocent" verdict, etc.....but I also do not need it said that I normally sell sick snakes.....it is simply NOT true! NOT true.
Listen, our level of care is high, and genuine. We worry about what we feed our 'feeders' every night, LOL, let alone what goes into or around our snakes. Seriously, we worry that our feeders are getting fruits, veggies, essential minerals and vitamins, so those quality foods transfer to our beautiful snakes......so it's utterly ridiculous to imply we'd sell ill snakes.
We got snakes from Kevin South, we made a bad decision and sold one, we were told the snake died, we tried to reach Kevin, he changed his tele#, he did not answer emails, so what were we to do?
I intended to write Kevin tonight, in a last attempt to create civil
conversation, so we can cure the hard feelings, discover who had originally sold the sick snake, and then move forward, professionally, wiser.
We under this roof want to solve the problems, yet we're attacked. I swore yesterday I'd never type another entry, LMAO, but that would be counter productive.
Know this, all in all, we're out +/- $1000 due to Kevin's snakes, no, more. That's not a ficticious number, it's fact. He says he sent a $500 pair of snakes, LOL, but sadly that is not true....he first tried to sell them to me for $200, not $500! Also, we stated to Kevin, "if they are worth $500, how about we sent them back and he sends us the $500"? No reply from Kevin on that request, LOL!
This got way out of control. Every word is ripped apart, many different personalities, things are twisted, changed, misunderstood, that changes everything. No time for the haters......the positive people need to help look beyond the childish behaviors.
The facts are simple. Kevin packed & shipped the box, we merely opened the box. I made a mistake selling. It is NOT like me to do such a silly thing......I tend to be technical with most matters, I slipped-up, it was an error, I admitted it, and it will never happen again. But where is Kevin?
Again, Kevin's words, "I keep my male snakes thin". LOL! Yeah, SO THIN! We were taken advantage of.....and we feel that Kevin knows this to be true. My take is that Kevin now feels badly, maybe feels he's painted himself into a corner, so we're not talking currently. I would like to change that, to hopefully work to a positive end to all of this.
Listen, I can only speak for mysef when I say we keep a clean snake area, some say "WOW-Clean", we do the surgical glove-thing, and more. We care!
Know this: THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS THAT WE HAVE NOT LEFT OUR BUYERS ALONE, HANGING, WITHOUT THEIR MONEY. The difference is this, we sold that snake for $100, exactly what we paid for it, and yet, we've replaced that dead snake with not 1 snake, not 2 snakes, but "3" snakes, all worth 2-3 times the amount of just the one snake Kevin sold to us. That is the difference!! So, if you are going to hate or attack, you are pointing your hatred in the wrong direction. We HOOKED OUR BUYERS UP!!!!!.....while Kevin has disappeared on us, with our money.
As stated, I will make another respectful attempt to reach Kevin tonight.
We only want the PROBLEM SOLVED.
That was the post prior to the above. Either you were lying, or you don't work very hard. My opinion? It's both.
I think you are lying about your quarantine habits. I'd be scared if I had bought anything from you, and I myself would not ever, in the future, buy anything from you.
Your posts about trying to unload your sick snake says it all.