Bad Guy Dean Stemple Strictly Exotics BAD GUY!

[Southern Wolf]

I'm sorry to hear that you had to go through that. If you want my opinion of you, I think you're a really nice guy.

Fact is, I don't care about Dean's problems. I'm not the reason this thread was started. If Dean, or anybody else doesn't like what is being posted in this thread, then learn from it, because if you want to be a shady businessman, this could happen to you. This thread is not about a divorce, and I'm not a marriage councelor. Everyone who is focused on this whole divorce thing, is not focused on the real issue here. They threw the divorce thing out there to derail this thread, and get some sympathy, so people will feel sorry for them, and paint a picture like Dean is a victom. The victom here is Chris, and no one else. If Dean would of communicated with Chris, Chris would of probably been more simpathetic. Instead, Chris got one lie after the next, and then excuse after excuse. Then after all the crap, Dean quit communicating. I don't want to hear excuses, or people defending his questionable business practices (questionable at best). Dean is the one who brought this thread here, not me.

Actually... I think the divorce is intertwined with the real issue. Your right on the communication.... but when it happened to me... I turned the phone off. I wasn't communicating with anyone.

Think about it..... if Reagan wouldnt have walked now... it is very possible that Chris would have his money. While Im not condoning what Dean did... lets look at some of the facts that have been posted.

Dean took on the snakes while they were still together and he thought all was well or getting better... they had two sources of income for household expenses.

She decided to go ahead and walk.

That messes you up in the head... and now he is left trying to cover the house expenses and shop expenses on whatever the shop makes.

Im sure when the deal was made he honestly thought he would be able to cover the expense... then the world came crashing down around him. Using your logic back in 1999-2000 I would have been a bad guy because I stopped all communications and didn't care about anything... including myself.

 

[scaledverts]

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=177517&highlight=tornado

Post number 36 impeaches ALL credibility that Reagan had.

I don't see how this particular post "impeaches" anything.

 

[brd7666]

I can understand Chris being mad but not Brian as much.

I don't know how mad Chrais is, but I'm probably madder about it then he is.

I've sold quit a few of Chris's animals myself. I have done reptile shows with Chris, where we shared table space. Chris built my ball python racks. Chris built my rat racks.

So, yeah, I'm pissed. I don't care what people think about me. I'm not the one responsible for this thread, Dean is.

 

[brd7666]

Dean took on the snakes while they were still together and he thought all was well or getting better

How do you know this? I think he took them out of selfishness and greed.

 

[Southern Wolf]

How do you know this? I think he took them out of selfishness and greed.

and the question comes back to you.... How do you KNOW this?

 

[Magic Merlin]

I don't see how this particular post "impeaches" anything.

She admitted in this thread that she was lieing and supposedly stringing Dean along this entire time.

Since she was soo cleverly planning her exit strategy she could have very easily convinced Dean that taking on 86 snakes on credit might not be such a good thing.........assuming that any of her sob story is true.

 

[Southern Wolf]

How do you know this? I think he took them out of selfishness and greed.

Keep this in mind... you're involved because of your friendship with Chris. I'm not friends with either party... so I have a more open mind to the situation... and thus can see things add up that has been posted.

 

[brd7666]

and the question comes back to you.... How do you KNOW this?

There seems to be a lot more negative articles about Dean plastered all over the internet, then positive. Judging by his character, I believe I'm right. If someone doesn't agree with me, then that is their right, and it's also my right not to care what someone else thinks.

 

[Southern Wolf]

She admitted in this thread that she was lieing and supposedly stringing Dean along this entire time.

Since she was soo cleverly planning her exit strategy she could have very easily convinced Dean that taking on 86 snakes on credit might not be such a good thing.........assuming that any of her sob story is true.

apparently you've never been down this road.

 

[Magic Merlin]

Hey Kevin, I guess a good sob story excusses people of common sense and entitles them to do whatever they like...........all your buddies at work have sob stories, let's just tell their victims, "hey, they had a rough day so they don't have to follow the law or common sense and we are releasing all them in the morning."

 

[Southern Wolf]

Hey Kevin, I guess a good sob story excusses people of common sense and entitles them to do whatever they like...........all your buddies at work have sob stories, let's just tell their victims, "hey, they had a rough day so they don't have to follow the law or common sense and we are releasing all them in the morning."

Jason... apparently you really are stuck on stoopid.

To even think of putting "all your buddies" and "inmates" in the same sentence and implying they are my buddies.

I never said it gave Dean a free pass. I said it could have been what contributed to the events at hand.

 

[Paige n' James]

Jason,
Here I was expecting someone to call her out mainly Dean all she said was what she HOPED would be true. Married forever.... Who can honestly say that?? I am 99% sure that my marriage will last until one of us dies but 1% is that thing that is beyond our control.

Jason,

I had to read that for that post... I am sure she HOPED the marriage would be forever!
I am 99% sure that my marriage (both of our second one each) but can't say 100% what will happen.

That doesn't make her a liar in any sense of the word!! Here I thought you found an instance with Dean or someone finding her lying. ???

 

[Paige n' James]

Sorry for the weird post. I am sending it from my iPhone and sometimes it won't let me scroll up and down. I will have to get on my computer to keep up with all the quick posts

 

[Magic Merlin]

Jason... apparently you really are stuck on stoopid.

To even think of putting "all your buddies" and "inmates" in the same sentence and implying they are my buddies.

I never said it gave Dean a free pass. I said it could have been what contributed to the events at hand.

I was not implying......but that is your story and you can tell it anyway you want which would be off topic so their is no need.

The fact of this thread is that this is at least the third time that Dean is being accused of grand larceny. (ebay was the 1st.....auction fixing with the wises 2nd)

 

[Southern Wolf]

Hey Kevin, I guess a good sob story excusses people of common sense and entitles them to do whatever they like...........all your buddies at work have sob stories, let's just tell their victims, "hey, they had a rough day so they don't have to follow the law or common sense and we are releasing all them in the morning."

I was not implying......but that is your story and you can tell it anyway you want which would be off topic so their is no need.

Sure looks that way to me.... you're calling inmates my buddies. You want some salt with your foot?

 

[scaledverts]

Jason,
Here I was expecting someone to call her out mainly Dean all she said was what she HOPED would be true. Married forever.... Who can honestly say that?? I am 99% sure that my marriage will last until one of us dies but 1% is that thing that is beyond our control.

Jason,

I had to read that for that post... I am sure she HOPED the marriage would be forever!
I am 99% sure that my marriage (both of our second one each) but can't say 100% what will happen.

That doesn't make her a liar in any sense of the word!! Here I thought you found an instance with Dean or someone finding her lying. ???

All this speculation and assumptions regarding their relationship or what she may or may not have told him is absolutely ridiculous!

This thread has already put Chris and Dean back into contact (at least text contact anyway). Why don't we just wait and see what happens in the next week or so. This will keep someone from putting their foot in their mouth and having to backtrack later. IF Dean doesn't send the payment THEN we can come back and determine what is the next step to take.

 

[jdshscja]

All this speculation and assumptions regarding their relationship or what she may or may not have told him is absolutely ridiculous!

When I first saw this thread posted, before I opened it, my first thought was it's probably an unjustified thread. Due to his reputation from this site and speaking with friends who had dealt with him, Dean seemed like one of the good guys. However with what has been presented I don't see that being true any longer. Now I'm not ready to label him as a thief and write him off just yet, but this constant defense of him and saying he has marital problems so just give him some time is nonsense.

Like it or not divorce has become a fact of life in this country. Pretty much everyone has multiple friends or family members that have gone through it, even if they haven't gone through it themselves. I had a business partner go through a messy divorce but he still had no problem working and paying his bills. My aunt and uncle are going through a divorce now after nearly 40 years, yet they aren't defaulting on payments.

Im sure when the deal was made he honestly thought he would be able to cover the expense... then the world came crashing down around him. Using your logic back in 1999-2000 I would have been a bad guy because I stopped all communications and didn't care about anything... including myself.

If you began to screw people out of thousands of dollars because you would rather feel sorry for yourself, then yes you would be a bad guy. Bad things happen to even the best people but that's not an excuse to treat other people like this.

I also don't exactly agree with the first part of your statement. While maybe he began thinking he would pay it, it doesn't look like that lasted long. First he said he would be able to send $1,000 dollars but then supposedly sent $900. He says he either sent it to the wrong address or it got lost, ok it happens, I'll buy that. But then he states he'll send another $500 without confirming the address when the previous payment got "lost". Then this payment never shows up either, not very believable. Then instead of getting the "supposed" money refunded and sending it to Chris, he stops communication. Even if it is to be believed that he then needed the money for bills, you're telling me he couldn't even send $100-200 as a goodwill gesture? Not to mention there are several ways he could have made this right without having to spend money but he either chose not to or felt he didn't need to.

Dean has had 3 months to do SOMETHING to show he would some day pay this debt or make it right and appears to not have done a thing. I'm sure there are tons of people that would have done anything to get the deal Chris gave Dean. But instead of being thankful, up to this point he has basically spat in Chris' face.

Now so people don't think I'm just trying to bash Dean, he has at least resumed some form of communication and I hope it's a step in the right direction. Maybe it's just me being optimistic but I would like to think that he will fix this. It's time to step up and make things right Dean. As has been said so often, it's not what you do during the good times but what you do during the hard times that truly show your character.

 

[PAVLOVK1025]

Hope Chris gets his money back. I bet he does actually.

But damn, you guys love a conspiracy huh.
Cute thread lol.

 

[KelliH]

Hey Kevin, I guess a good sob story excusses people of common sense and entitles them to do whatever they like...........all your buddies at work have sob stories, let's just tell their victims, "hey, they had a rough day so they don't have to follow the law or common sense and we are releasing all them in the morning."

I have to agree. No excuse for lying the way he did about mailing the payments etc. Breakups suck but many of us have been through much worse and still managed to refrain from lying. I think either a person is truthful, or not. Regardless of the circumstances.

 

[Lucille]

: Why don't we just wait and see what happens in the next week or so.

At first I was all for giving Dean time to figure things out. And Kevin has posted some valuable insights as to how people feel when faced with a partner walking out, but I'm not sure those feelings apply to Dean, he knew the divorce was coming. His post some months ago was all about property division, not about feelings.

There are so many red flags, including the money order supposedly sent, and then Dean not asking for an address check to send the purported replacements when the first money orders never arrived.

I saw Sierra reading this thread when I posted my previous comment, so she is checking in - so this message is to her. These animals haven't been paid for, so you don't have a claim to them. I don't know or care what has been going on between you and Dean - but together you are effectively screwing over Chris...and (now) in full view of this site. I doubt the latter has any meaning to you, and I'm not convinced that the former does either; but if YOU are part of the reason that Chris can't get paid (the animals can't be sold), then do the right thing and release them. You may have been financing the venture, and I don't doubt that you feel Dean owes you money, but these are not legitimate assetts for the two of you to hold. They are, at this point, stolen property...I don't know if law would consider them as such, but I suspect that most of the people reading this do.

I think this is an excellent analysis.

I have a job that will support me and my children just fine. We arent fighting over control of the business. He is still doing business as usual, which is how he is coming up with the money to pay Chris back a couple hundred dollars a week,.

Chris has not been paid at all.

I also know that Dean is trying to figure out how to pay Chris and his other bills and keep his business successfull.

It isn't going to ever be successful if he is deliberately screwing his sellers while doing biz as usual, and the reptile world sees it here on the BOI.

Once your name is trashed, how are you gonna sell them? or the offspring?

Exactly

This thread isn't about a divorce, or the circumstances surrounding a divorce. It's about someone receiving animals that has done nothing but lie about everything. Everything from the very beginning, all the way up to now, has been one lie after the next.

Yeah.