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Desert Clutch?? Does anyone know?

No one. Female deserts are worthless as breeders. Just look at all the ads recently. Free desert females with purchase. :rofl:
A normal male is worth more as a breeder than a desert female.
 
I've been doing some serious research into this. And I have not found a single confirmed desert female clutch. I talked to two breeders that had gravid deserts this year, both slugged out.

I think that the desert gene is somehow sex linked in a way that causes sterility. In snakes it is the female that determines the sex of the young, not the male. So the males has ZZ and the female is ZW. If there is something wrong with one Z the male will look desert but have a good Z to be fertile. If the female has the bad Z she will look desert but be infertile.

That is just a scientific guess, not a fact!!
 
What I'm looking for right now is anyone who has bred a desert female that is mixed with another CoDom. Like a Mojo Desert. If the two gene desert females also slug out it would be more likely that the desert gene is sex linked. But I haven't found a breeder that has tried that yet.

if you know of one please let me know!
 
phoenix-cry said:
What I'm looking for right now is anyone who has bred a desert female that is mixed with another CoDom. Like a Mojo Desert. If the two gene desert females also slug out it would be more likely that the desert gene is sex linked. But I haven't found a breeder that has tried that yet.

if you know of one please let me know!
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Here ya go:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?170524-Has-desert-female-breeding-got-anywhere

This is all the research you need in 1 thread. There's a link to another forum thread where people also discuss this.

The answer is no. Desert females lay slugs and could potentially lead to an eggbound female. Also, the tiger (desert x enchi) female laid nothing but slugs. Adding morphs apparently doesn't work either.. Shame, but that's how it goes.. :shrug01::(
 
Someone had to have a female desert produce.. The only problem is, with all the bad karma that the female desert's have.. It wont be easy to accept.. So here come's the bashing. Especially if he/she isn't well know.. So ask your self.. Is it worth It??
 
Prp32378 said:
Someone had to have a female desert produce.. The only problem is, with all the bad karma that the female desert's have.. It wont be easy to accept.. So here come's the bashing. Especially if he/she isn't well know.. So ask your self.. Is it worth It??
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Since the desert morph was made public, there has not been 1 case where someone had proof that their desert female laid a healthy clutch of eggs. So no. Nobody has had a female desert produce viable eggs lol.

A lot of people are hoping there is a way to get them to breed that won't put their lives at risk. Others are saying that they shouldn't be bred because currently, their lives ARE at risk. I personally would love to see someone who has a desert female successfully hatch out baby snakes. Deserts are a smokin morph..
 
Prp32378 said:
Someone had to have a female desert produce..
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Why? The males produce fine, so the morph won't perish without the females. It is not impossible that female deserts simply cannot lay viable eggs.

So far, that's been the case.
 
BTW for anyone who's theory is "someone had to have done it, and are just not wanting to share that info because of blah blah this or that"

At this point, it would be down right idiotic of someone to keep their successful breeding of a desert female a secret. The longer this keeps up, the more and more desert females will become a dread to produce and/or sell. From a business stand point, they would be useless. The morph is becoming so tainted, one or two successful breedings may not be enough to get the prices back up.
 
Willow said:
BTW for anyone who's theory is "someone had to have done it, and are just not wanting to share that info because of blah blah this or that"

At this point, it would be down right idiotic of someone to keep their successful breeding of a desert female a secret. The longer this keeps up, the more and more desert females will become a dread to produce and/or sell. From a business stand point, they would be useless. The morph is becoming so tainted, one or two successful breedings may not be enough to get the prices back up.
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X2. People need to accept the fact that nature does stranger things in the wild.... Having a female snake lay only infertile eggs is not really a magical phenomena that only exists in fairy tales. It's a genetic mutation :shrug01:
 
Travis,
You really cant say no, unless you looked in everyone's house that haves the Morph..
There are alot of scumbags that would try to lie about it if they could get away with it.. But there are also honest people that dont have time to defend themselves.. As it fells like what im doing now, just by saying it.

So as of now.. I would say there is no RECORD of a female desert reproducing..
 
A lot of people try to say MAYBE we can get desert females to produce with the right husbandry. Get the perfect temps and humidity, perfect feeding and breeding schedule. Someday it will happen!! I swear! (heh...)

BUT....many female deserts become egg bound when gravid, and end up dying. Which really has nothing to do with the eggs being fertile or not.

This would indicate that something more physical in general with the females reproductive system, not something environmental, is the basic issue.
 
Prp32378 said:
Travis,
You really cant say no, unless you looked in everyone's house that haves the Morph..
There are alot of scumbags that would try to lie about it if they could get away with it.. But there are also honest people that dont have time to defend themselves.. As it fells like what im doing now, just by saying it.

So as of now.. I would say there is no RECORD of a female desert reproducing..
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Well. I wouldn't leave it at "there is no record of female desert reproducing."
What I said is true.

"Since the desert morph was made public, there has not been 1 case where someone had proof that their desert female laid a healthy clutch of eggs."
This is a fact :thumbsup:.

"So no. Nobody has had a female desert produce viable eggs lol."
This is a deduction based on the fact. The fact that everyone who publicly posts about their desert female breeding shows only a desert coiling around slugs instead of pearly white fertile eggs makes me assume that there just isn't one that exists :shrug01:..
 
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