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Dinker female i picked up

thanks guys. im really hope she will throw a good clutch next season. she is 1325 grams now but i dont feel safe until she is 2000grams at least. but im going to be ready to breed her for sure. these are my males what do you think will be good with her?

fire male, pastel male, spider het hypo(really bright and crazy), yellowbelly male, also boyfriend has a lesser male, and friend has a mojave.

im thinking pastel or fire would be best
 
here is the fire he has a great dark pattern
 

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I wouldn't breed her to anything but a normal or visual recessive. Mixing her with other genes could make it harder to prove that it's genetic.

Her most admirable traits are the small, high saddles, the stripe and that belly. Say for example you breed to a spider. The spider gene would take away from all of those traits and if you only get one combo, you might not be able to tell.

If you breed to an albino or ghost, and it proves genetic, you can not only shoot for the super with siblings, but may end up with an albino or ghost version the following season.

I think breeding with a dominant gene can put you back years, especially if the odds are not in your favor. You could end up with quite a gold mine and being positive in your findings will get you there. Looking at a hatchling combo and thinking, "is that my new gene showing also, not sure" won't build the confidence needed to sell high dollar snakes to customers.

I'm not sure on your position or plans, but that's how I would approach it.
 
Focal said:
I wouldn't breed her to anything but a normal or visual recessive. Mixing her with other genes could make it harder to prove that it's genetic.

Her most admirable traits are the small, high saddles, the stripe and that belly. Say for example you breed to a spider. The spider gene would take away from all of those traits and if you only get one combo, you might not be able to tell.

If you breed to an albino or ghost, and it proves genetic, you can not only shoot for the super with siblings, but may end up with an albino or ghost version the following season.

I think breeding with a dominant gene can put you back years, especially if the odds are not in your favor. You could end up with quite a gold mine and being positive in your findings will get you there. Looking at a hatchling combo and thinking, "is that my new gene showing also, not sure" won't build the confidence needed to sell high dollar snakes to customers.

I'm not sure on your position or plans, but that's how I would approach it.
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For discussion's sake, I disagree that a visual recessive would be the way to prove out a genetic animal, in this case.

Personally, I would choose a Super Pastel to use. First, because they are so well known and documented, that any differences should be immediately noticable. Second, because once the hatchings are successfully hatched, it's a simple matter to chose a male and pair with the dam to see if a super results, and if it does, you have a Pastel Super Something. If not you have a Pastel and it will be easier to market/sell than a "het" or "possible het" from an unknown.

Personally, since you don't have a sibling to this animal (which would have made things SO much simplier), I would go with a Normal or a High grade Pastel...and document, document, document. :D
 
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For discussion's sake, I disagree that a visual recessive would be the way to prove out a genetic animal, in this case.
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Curious as to why? (not trying to be a smart :censored: ) Maybe I worded it wrong, but with a visual recessive, like albino, all the off spring will be normal looking and/or visual of the new gene. It wouldn't be much different than breeding to a normal and if it doesn't prove co-dom, you are already one step to an albino version.

I would agree with the super pastel if I had to go with any dom/co dom, but that would be my second pairing. I would suspect a pewter looking combo.
 
Focal said:
Curious as to why? (not trying to be a smart :censored: ) Maybe I worded it wrong, but with a visual recessive, like albino, all the off spring will be normal looking and/or visual of the new gene. It wouldn't be much different than breeding to a normal and if it doesn't prove co-dom, you are already one step to an albino version.

I would agree with the super pastel if I had to go with any dom/co dom, but that would be my second pairing. I would suspect a pewter looking combo.
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I didn't think you were being smart. :) Let me try and type out the explanation...

I say not a visual recessive because of the "odds" of reproducing and because if there is anything genetic, it probably won't be immediately visible, and the clutch will be difficult to sell. Say, I have a dinker and I put an Albino to her, I'm going to produce X and Het Albino. I'll put the XHet Albino back to the dam, but the dam doesn't have het albino...really a waste because now I have to wait for a female of the clutch to mature and put a sibling to her to determine if the original genetics had any kind of genetic impact.

Your idea is not bad, it could result in Super X Het Albino...but imo, it's a more risky endevor that could be nothing if the genes don't play out.

On the other hand, Pastels are so established that anything that interacted with the color/pattern genetically would be immediately noticable.

The best way to prove out an animal is to first use a Normal, to see if the color pattern carried over to that clutch, (if it does, good!) and then pair a male from that clutch back to the breeder female. If color/pattern doesn't carry over then to further determine if the animal contains recessive or a dominate gene one of the clutch would still need to be paired with that breeder female.

Using a Pastel instead of a Normal can be a "short cut." The owner can still sell the animals as Pastels, selling them as hets isn't a good idea for a beginner with no history.

I hope this made sense.
 
thanks. at this point i do have a pastel male i can put her with. i was thinking the same thing about the spider cause of being really hard to tell. i want to put the pastel with her for being very easily to tell apart. and hoping she proves. i dont have any recessive anyway to put her with at the moment all my males are dom cause this is my first year breeding snakes. im getting a good hang of it. im hoping to have her good and ready next year. If i need any help i will ask for sure :)
 
Pinky gecko girl said:
went and picked this girl up from a lady that didnt want to take care of her kids pet anymore. sold as a normal, but has some awesome markings! nice girl to play around with this coming year. we sexed her as female and weight of 1325 grams. she has a head like a cinny if you can see in the picture. i only have 2 pictures at the moment can put up more soon.

she is next to my 2000gram normal pattern female in second pic.
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She's AMAZING. I love her "free-floating" markings above that broad white band.

It's certainly up to you, but if she were my animal, I'd try to put a couple hundred extra grams on her over the rest of winter, and breed her THIS year to get this project going. 1300g is certainly within the commonly accepted "safe range" for breeding, 1500 would be much better, but waiting an entire extra year for her to hit 2000 seems a little overly cautious, in my opinion.
 
Very nice!!

Her high whites remind me of this boy that proved to be a super granite. I don't think she's a super granite as I see no graniting in her. But she's really nice!

The snake pictured belongs to a friend, I have a granite pair from him, partially related.


As for what to pair her to.....

The super pastel idea is a great idea and males are fairly cheap now. You can pick up a superb super pastel for under 500. You don't plan on breeding her for a year so gives ya time to look around, save money, buy him and raise him up to breeding size.

If that's not an option for you, your fire male (who is gorgeous btw and I want a female from him! :D) or yb male would be my next choice (or both boys, go for the multisired clutch and two different combos, hopefully).


Good luck!! Keep us updated. I'm super interested on how this project turns out.
 

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