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What are some diseases or problems Leos have? Besides the classic calcium defficency and all the problems that come with that, what other problems do Leos come across?

And how do you deworm leos?
 
Besides the parasites that they can get, there is Repspiratory infections, MBD, and Cryptosporidium (sp?) Crypto being the worst out them. There is no exact cure for it but it can be treated and animals can succesfully recover but it is a long battle. I would suggest searching this forum for crypto and reading about it. I know there was a recent out break in some major petstores. A few friends of mine lost their leos to it. Its pretty devasting.

As far as deworming, you will have to have a fecal test done by the vet. They will usually give you something to treat it. I think the medication is called panacur, don't hold me to that though, I haven't had to deworm my leos yet thank god.
Kristy
 
I suppose when you're feeding your Leos fish, it does open the door to a lot of new challenges and parasites not commonly seen in Leos.....
 
Cat_72 said:
I suppose when you're feeding your Leos fish, it does open the door to a lot of new challenges and parasites not commonly seen in Leos.....

Funny, i wouldn't know, I havent fed these leos fish, the other ones (the lizards i was feeding fish to) I got rid of cuz they were babies and normals and i wanted better looking morphs that were older. But as long as we're on the subject, how about you put something productive in instead of being little-ms.-i-told-you-so. By the way, you were wrong, fish had no adverse effects, the worst thing that happened was a bit of runny stools. Because of the difficulty of feeding them fish (I would have to wait for them to be hungry enough to eat them), I stopped because feeding leos fish takes more time and energy than feeding Dragons and Monitors fish.

And I was asking what "challenges and parasites" ARE commonly seen in leos. Your reading comprehension is almost as bad as your logical reasoning.
 
Gee, just a bit defensive, aren't we?

I understood your question perfectly, you asked what problems Leos can come across, and I simply suggested that the fish feeding may present challenges beyond the normal. Nothing more, nothing less.

And you have no idea if feeding the fish would have had any long-term side effects, as they were apparently still babies and you didn't have them for very long before you "got rid of them". :rolleyes:

Incidentally, it would carry a lot more weight having my English skills questioned by someone who asks about a "calcium deficiency" as opposed to a "deffiency".
 
Cat_72 said:
Gee, just a bit defensive, aren't we?

I understood your question perfectly, you asked what problems Leos can come across, and I simply suggested that the fish feeding may present challenges beyond the normal. Nothing more, nothing less.

And you have no idea if feeding the fish would have had any long-term side effects, as they were apparently still babies and you didn't have them for very long before you "got rid of them". :rolleyes:

Incidentally, it would carry a lot more weight having my English skills questioned by someone who asks about a "calcium deficiency" as opposed to a "deffiency".

Your "suggestion" was based on you thinking out of your ass. Tell me, if I feed "Leo A" a fish and then get rid of "Leo A" to get "Leo B," and NOT feed "Leo B" a fish, how would feeding fish pertain to any of my questions or the health of "Leo B?" YOU, MADAME ARE WRONG.

You have no idea that feeding fish would have any long term effect, as you are too scared of experimenting to try it! Grow some spine, it'll help with the lack of control you have with your eyes. Maybe then you can speak on my level, but until then why don't YOU stick to mealworms and crickets and stay out of my posts on questions about the subject of "research and development."

And btw, worse than being wrong is being stupid. You can not even retype what's right in front of you. Yes, I put a double "f" and missed an "i," and that was a typo. But how stupid do you have to be to misspell a misspelling?
 
Since you seem to know that feeding fish to a Leo is OK, then you should know all the answers to the questions you've asked.
 
:iagree:

One would think so, Felicia.

"At his level"......ooh, that one's precious. Sometimes trolls are kind of cute. :rofl:
 
BalloonzForU said:
Since you seem to know that feeding fish to a Leo is OK, then you should know all the answers to the questions you've asked.

And what would tweedle-dee be without you, tweedle-dum? Answer me this: how would I possibly know the answer to my questions based on the fact that I know that feeding fish to Leos is ok? Were you two born stupid or do you just like to say stupid statements to pass the time?
 
Cat_72 said:
:iagree:

One would think so, Felicia.

"At his level"......ooh, that one's precious. Sometimes trolls are kind of cute. :rofl:

If I am a troll, what would that make you? :NoNo: tsk tsk, is this the best you have to offer, O' Great Reptile Keeper?
 
Xelas said:
And what would tweedle-dee be without you, tweedle-dum? Answer me this: how would I possibly know the answer to my questions based on the fact that I know that feeding fish to Leos is ok? Were you two born stupid or do you just like to say stupid statements to pass the time?


Have you ever heard of sarcasm??? I guess not. IMO you don't care what the answers are to any questions you ask. All you want to do is start a flame war.

You mentioned the only thing you saw with the Leos you fed fish too was runny stool, did you bother to take a fecal to a herp vet? Prob. not, just guessing you knew by looking, tasting, smelling, what was wrong. And if you did, care to back up your statements with the vet's findings in his/her own writing?
 
BalloonzForU said:
Have you ever heard of sarcasm??? I guess not. IMO you don't care what the answers are to any questions you ask. All you want to do is start a flame war.

You mentioned the only thing you saw with the Leos you fed fish too was runny stool, did you bother to take a fecal to a herp vet? Prob. not, just guessing you knew by looking, tasting, smelling, what was wrong. And if you did, care to back up your statements with the vet's findings in his/her own writing?

The way I learned things, if it isn't broken, you don't fix it. Do you go to the doctor when you're feeling perfectly fine? I bet you do, someone as annoying as you. You probably go and say "Doctor, PLEASE, find something wrong with me! Test my stools, my blood, get me the results, do SOMETHING!!!!!" I don't know, maybe where you're from things go like that but I'll worry about a problem when it pops up.

The point of my original question was to find out what potential problems Leos have so I know ahead what to expect, and only one person had the intelligence and sense to answer me. Everything else you two say is just jibber-jabber. So go ahead and talk, "jab-jib-jib-jab." How about you two just stay out of my posts unless you want to answer my questions or have something positive to contribute. Go to the doctor or something in the meantime.
 
How can you use the argument "If it's not broken, don't fix it"? Runny stool is a sign something is WRONG(broken)!!!!

Obviously you don't know any signs of potential problems with your Leos, something you should have researched prior to purchasing the first ones you had. For all we know they are dead, due to you feeding them fish.


IMO, No respectable breeder/keeper will give you any respect here that you are looking for, due to you thinking you know it all without knowing WTF you're even talking about.

Once again, by asking this question, I was never asking for any opinions (especially unqualified opinions). What I was asking for was documented facts or first hand experience. I guess no one has tried feeding fish because everyone has read that they are not "natural." As we all know, Savannah Monitors and many other monitors can eat fish, yet we all know that they are far too slow to naturally catch fish. They eat them. So I guess no one has tried this except for me. My Bearded Dragon has been eating fish for months, he is healthy, happy, and he likes to eat fish. If I wanted inexperienced people giving me unproven facts, I would go ask anyone off the streets, I wouldn't ask experienced people what they don't know or what they "think" in a forum dedicated specifically to a single species. My questions were asking people with documented facts or people with first hand experience. So if anyone knows what they are talking about, any responses would be greatly appreciated. All others are irrelevant.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85770&page=1&pp=5

IMO, Your attitude about the animals you keep is unacceptable to those of us who love and care for our animals. It is our RESPONSIBILITY as caregivers for animals to do research and care for them the best way we can. Breeders with many years of experience have told you what is best, yet you choose to do what you want to do and not what is best for your animals. :NoNo: IMO you should be banned from keeping animals on the moral ground of stupidity.
 
So everytime YOU have diarrhea, you go to the doctor? I knew it.

Didn't your mother ever teach you that if you have nothing nice to say, you should say nothing at all, or do you not have a mother?

I'm not asking about fish, I'm not asking about the effect of fish on lizards, what I was asking was what are some diseases/problems leopard geckos go through in the course of their lives?

As humans, we are exposed to different types of flu's, bacteria infections, and various deficiencies, along with cancers and organ problems. Am I to understand that by your responses (since you two are sooooooo knowledgable when it comes to leopard geckos) that leos have no such problems and are healthwise, the perfect creature, or do you two just wanna pick a fight cuz the doctor is away?
 
LMFAO.... So you can read the mind of your Leo and know if it's just soft stool. You know it's not in pain or discomfort and soft stool doesn't mean anything. Hey look it's the Leopard Gecko Whisperer! OK, whatever you want to think. Human health has nothing to do with lizard health, so trying to put any reasons to your rhyme makes no sense at all. When you are dealing with an animal that is that small, action should be taken as quickly as possible, when problems can and will progress a lot faster than in humans.

Keep coming with the digs, IMO it just makes you look more like an @$$, doesn't bother me a bit.
 
Well lets get back to the orininal question about problems:
The way I see it your leo had loose stools, ok this could be:
Coccidia
Pinworm
Roundworm
Fungal infection
Stress
Diet
Improper heat
Crypto
etc
Well thats quite a list, no dont you think you should have one a fecal since 80% of those listed could have been ruled out?
As far as feeding leos fish, wow, not gonna comment. But what i will comment is your attitude and lake of responsibility to these animals. It is appauling how a newbie comes here for info,which we are happy to give, and when the opinions(or facts) are given you act like a 2 year old. Now come on, if you ever want to gain any kind of respect in this hobby you need to take other opinions into consideration and learn to co-exist with other breeders and learn from there experience.
My advice is to never breed these leos(or any other reptile) until you know how to take responsibility and use a VET.
Like a great women once said(marcia) IF YOU CANT AFFORD THE VET YOU CAN AFFORD THE PET.
 
snared99 said:
Well lets get back to the orininal question about problems:
The way I see it your leo had loose stools, ok this could be:
Coccidia
Pinworm
Roundworm
Fungal infection
Stress
Diet
Improper heat
Crypto
etc
Well thats quite a list, no dont you think you should have one a fecal since 80% of those listed could have been ruled out?
As far as feeding leos fish, wow, not gonna comment. But what i will comment is your attitude and lake of responsibility to these animals. It is appauling how a newbie comes here for info,which we are happy to give, and when the opinions(or facts) are given you act like a 2 year old. Now come on, if you ever want to gain any kind of respect in this hobby you need to take other opinions into consideration and learn to co-exist with other breeders and learn from there experience.
My advice is to never breed these leos(or any other reptile) until you know how to take responsibility and use a VET.
Like a great women once said(marcia) IF YOU CANT AFFORD THE VET YOU CAN AFFORD THE PET.

Wow Pat, that was amazing........for a 7th grade, illiterate immigrant who just picked up an English translator dictionary an hour ago. I've been called out for some of my misspellings but that truly was amazing. Not only can you not spell, your grammar and comprehension are just way off the charts, and you misquote in capital letters. If you want to be seen, Pat, be seen well, don’t embarrass yourself like this.

I was not asking about the lizards with “loose stools,” those lizards are gone because they were too young and I wanted older and better morphs. Thank you though, you are the 2nd person to semi-answer my ORIGINAL question of what problems Leopard Geckos face.

My “attitude” and “lake of responsibility” (I think you mean “lack,” there little buddy) is not to be judged by YOU or anyone else here in this forum. The lizards are still alive, so I must be doing SOMETHING right (feeding, cleaning, watering) and my attitude is for people who have no concrete evidence that lizards can not eat fish, when I have concrete evidence that they can. My question a few months ago was asking if anyone else did this and if anyone knew any FACTS about it, not speculation. Never mind that though, that was brought up by two…….hmm, how should I phrase this…….annoying middle-aged women who just like to mix around with old business and start trouble (when you say “women” you are talking in the plural form, meaning more than one, you meant “woman” meaning one woman who you were quoting but….didn’t quote right).

Other people’s opinions on matters are irrelevant, all I ever wanted were facts. Co-existing with other people is also something I don’t have to do, especially people of your likes who can’t put together a proper sentence to save their life, or with people such as the two WOMEN I spoke of before, they are the kinds who I like to spit on and make fun of. Let them talk though, its all they can really do.

I have a male, along with a few females all of breeding age. I will be breeding them very soon, and there is nothing you, the pesky middle-aged duo, or anyone can do to stop me! I almost feel an evil laugh coming on, but seriously, these are lizards we are talking about, not worth an evil laugh, not worth all this bickering, I just had a question that no one seems to be able to answer or share from their own “experience,” so I will have to try unorthodox methods in my experiments with this species. Show me the data, and I will not need to do things against what has already been proven. Not that I am doing anything like that now, I’m playing by the “rules” with this batch but when I have a question no one can answer, I will do whatever it takes to get that answer even if everyone tells me I’m wrong because without proof, you’ve got jack, Pat.

I hope that didn’t confuse you too much.
 
BalloonzForU said:
LMFAO.... So you can read the mind of your Leo and know if it's just soft stool. You know it's not in pain or discomfort and soft stool doesn't mean anything. Hey look it's the Leopard Gecko Whisperer! OK, whatever you want to think. Human health has nothing to do with lizard health, so trying to put any reasons to your rhyme makes no sense at all. When you are dealing with an animal that is that small, action should be taken as quickly as possible, when problems can and will progress a lot faster than in humans.

Keep coming with the digs, IMO it just makes you look more like an @$$, doesn't bother me a bit.

Of course I can't read my Leo's mind, but by observing them and seeing nothing else is visually wrong, I can see that a little diarrhea is just that: a little diarrhea.

So human health has nothing to do with lizard health, huh? What about ticks? They effect both humans and lizards. What about worms? They effect both. What about impaction, hypothermia, hyperthermia, organ and body problems, amputation, sleep patterns, and mental health? Surely even you can agree that biologically, we humans and lizards are similar in that we are prone to similar difficulties and health issues throughout our lives. Again, I was asking what the main problems are with lizards from the “experts.” So far, if this is what the hobby has to offer in experience, it doesn’t seem like there’s very many people who know what they are talking about to be qualified for anything higher than cynical speculates.
 
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