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Bad Guy Dishonest guy Jon Boone (User name Geitje)

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I bought a pair of 1.1 sub adults Pachydactylus rugosus from Jon Boone early this year, First day when I received the pair from him, I saw the one supposed to be female looked like she has hemipenile Bulges, I have a lot of experience with other gecko species even this is the first time I got P rugosus, I can tell both are males !!

I contacted him and let him know right away, he said the female still young and I should able to tell the difference between the male and female in couple months. After two months they grown a bit bigger and the one supposed to be female now with huge Hemipenile Bulges as big as the male...then I took some closed up photos sent it to Jon Boone, he agreed with me that it is a male, he said he don't have any female right now but should have one in a month, so I wait for a month and half contacted him again, again he said he still don't have a female yet, but asked me any back up plan like get other animals from him, at that point I don't trust him anymore so I suggested refund the money and I ship him back the extra male, but from then on I have never hear from him, now been almost three months still not hear a word !!

Today I decide to write a post is because I know that I will never get the refund or replace a female, I don't want other people fall in his trap, we love our hobby, some people have to save for a long time to buy an animal they like, it is not fair for them to pay a thousand dollars for two males P rugosus !!
By the way if anyone want to buy this species, go to Phil Tremper Gecko Ranch, I also bought a pair from him they are great looking animals, and 100% sexable pair, Phil is a honest man, and his P rugosus cheaper too.

Thank you for reading, have a great holidays !!

Wai Lui
 
To help support your case would suggest you post your communications with Jon (emails, PM, etc.) as well as the pictures you took showing the supposed female to in fact be a male.

Have you notified him that you've posted this?
 
I have several of Jon's animals, and have spoken to him many times at Tinley. I have found him to be one of the most knowledgeable and honest guys in the business. I would understand it taking longer than expected to obtain certain species, and it looks as though he offered you some other options. Can you post the conversation that prompted his "disappearance"? And please let him know about the thread so he can respond. He is on his computer daily, so he will definitely see it. Thanks.

Noelle
 
Tankster said:
...again he said he still don't have a female yet, but asked me any back up plan like get other animals from him, at that point I don't trust him anymore so I suggested refund the money and I ship him back the extra male, but from then on I have never hear from him, now been almost three months still not hear a word !!
Wai Lui
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Wai Lui, I wanted to ask you what makes you distrust this seller? It sounds like he is willing to work with you to rectify his mistake months from the original purchase. Mistakes DO happen particularly when sexing hatchling and juvenile geckos.

I want to iterate that I am not taking sides. I don't know either the buyer or the seller. Just trying to get some clarification.
 
Jon is one of the most knowledgable, honest and nicest people I know. He has been my friend for a couple decades. He is not a rip off artist, trust me. I think you blew this one poster. You are wrong about Jon. Work with him while you still have the chance.
 
Ken Foose said:
Jon is one of the most knowledgable, honest and nicest people I know. He has been my friend for a couple decades. He is not a rip off artist, trust me. I think you blew this one poster. You are wrong about Jon. Work with him while you still have the chance.
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Hope you're right but three months is a long time without a response if what the OP is saying is true.
 
MissFirefly said:
Hope you're right but three months is a long time without a response if what the OP is saying is true.
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If it's true, it's obviously unacceptable. But I'm betting there's more to this story. Jon is certainly not off the grid. Let's see some proof.

Noelle
 
Tankster said:
I bought a pair of 1.1 sub adults Pachydactylus rugosus from Jon Boone early this year, First day when I received the pair from him, I saw the one supposed to be female looked like she has hemipenile Bulges, I have a lot of experience with other gecko species even this is the first time I got P rugosus, I can tell both are males !!

I contacted him and let him know right away, he said the female still young and I should able to tell the difference between the male and female in couple months. After two months they grown a bit bigger and the one supposed to be female now with huge Hemipenile Bulges as big as the male...then I took some closed up photos sent it to Jon Boone, he agreed with me that it is a male, he said he don't have any female right now but should have one in a month, so I wait for a month and half contacted him again, again he said he still don't have a female yet, but asked me any back up plan like get other animals from him, at that point I don't trust him anymore so I suggested refund the money and I ship him back the extra male, but from then on I have never hear from him, now been almost three months still not hear a word !!

Today I decide to write a post is because I know that I will never get the refund or replace a female, I don't want other people fall in his trap, we love our hobby, some people have to save for a long time to buy an animal they like, it is not fair for them to pay a thousand dollars for two males P rugosus !!
By the way if anyone want to buy this species, go to Phil Tremper Gecko Ranch, I also bought a pair from him they are great looking animals, and 100% sexable pair, Phil is a honest man, and his P rugosus cheaper too.

Thank you for reading, have a great holidays !!

Wai Lui
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Here is the communication history between Jon Boone and I.

Thank you guys tried to help with this issue, here is the emails Jon and I communicated with each other, some communication done by text messages but don't know how to copy from my cell to paste here !! Also the images didn't show up every time I tried copy and paste here, but I can send you guys the images directly by email if you are interested to see it.
I am apologize there is a time mistake, his last respond was 54 days ago on Oct 23, I should check the old mails before I posted yesterday instead of my memory, sorry about that !!



On Jul 10, 2013, at 7:05 PM, "Jon & Stacy Boone" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hello Wai!
>
> Of course, I remember you! It's nice to hear from you and I hope all is
> well.
>
> The pair is still currently available, although a few other people are
> considering them. They are easy to keep and breed in dry terrariums as
> depicted in my attached photos. Terrariums 12" x 12" x 12" are sufficient,
> although the terrarium in the attached photo is 12" wide x 14" deep x 18"
> high. Temps of 78-90 F., relatively low humidity is fine. Dry sand.
> Females bury their eggs and build a mound over them. I feed them mostly
> crickets, although other breeders use other insects too. They are a simple
> and straightforward desert species with no special demands!
>
> I will send you pics of both animals tomorrow morning.
>
> Best,
> Jon




On Aug 3 right after I received the geckos.

Hi Jon, just check with you about the female, how much you sure she is a female since looks like she has bumps on each side of her tail, I hope it is not a undeveloped hemipenile bulges...

Wai




On Aug 3, 2013, at 1:13 PM, "Jon & Stacy Boone" <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Wai,

Well, all of the animals have some swelling at this size! Males have a LOT more than the females. They typically show their bulges early, like some other geckos.

Are these your 1st P. rugosus??




> From: Time [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 1:33 PM
> To: Jon & Stacy Boone
> Subject: Re: P rugosus pair
>
> Hi Jon,
> How are you? I wish you and your family have a great holidays !!
> Jon, the reason I contacting you is about sex issue with the female I
> got from you, she doing well growing much bigger since I got her, also
> I seen that unsure hemipenile bulges are getting much bigger even with
> spurs on it just looks like the male, please take a look these photos
> I took this morning.




On Sep 5, 2013, at 6:12 AM, "Jon & Stacy Boone" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Wai,
>
> WoW! I cannot believe that in such a short time that my "female"
> became such a male! I did not expect that. There is no doubt that the
> animal in that pic is a male. So, this is my mistake and I will fix
> it soon. At the moment, I only have very young animals, so will check
> with some friends and find you a female. Oddly enough, males are
> generally slightly harder to come by this year.
>
> What do you want to do with this 2nd male??? Keep it? Or?
>
> Also hoping that everything is well with you too!
>
> Best,
> Jon




From: Time [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:59 PM
To: Jon & Stacy Boone
Subject: Re: P rugosus pair

Hi Jon,

How are you? Any luck to find a female from your friends, how about your
friend in LA, did he keep this species?
Also maybe if you have extra hold back female, I really hope I can breed
them next season instead of 2015..
Really appreciate your help !!

Thanks
Wai




On Sept 12

Hi Wai,

I should have one soon, but may take a month or so. It will be a definite
female, so will be ready to breed by next spring! NOT 2015!!

Best,
Jon




From: Time [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 6:10 PM
To: Jon & Stacy Boone
Subject: P rugosus

Hi Jon,
Sent you an email about 10 days ago but didn't hear from you, not sure if
you get my message...
Please let me know how is the female P rugosus going, I would like to get it
sooner if possible before the weather getting too cold, many thanks.

Wai Lui




This is the last time I heard from him.

> On Oct 23, 2013, at 7:00 PM, "Jon & Stacy Boone" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi Wai,
>
> Sorry for the late answer, as I was vending the Tinley show in Chicago (gone
> for 4 days) and then was in Kansas City the following weekend. I'm just now
> getting caught-up with all of my emails.
>
> P. rugosus - I do not have one just yet, but should not be much longer. In
> the event that this takes another month or so, I'd like to explore back-up
> plans (other things you might need, etc.).
>
> Thanks for sticking with me on this!
>
> Best,
> Jon




Oct 25

Hi Jon,

How are you? Thank you for reply.
It will be ok if you will have one available soon, my only concern is the
weather will get cold very soon, it may not be suitable for shipping by the time
when it is available. May I suggest to get refund for the female so I still can
buy one from somewhere before the winter coming...
If this is not acceptable to you, do you have any suggestions? Thanks.

Have a great weekend !!
Wai




On Oct 29

Hi Jon,
The winter will be here soon, I need to get the gecko sooner if possible, what
do you think about my suggestion to refund the money for the male, so I can get
a female from somewhere else..
Thanks,
Wai
 
It would also be helpful to see the headers on the last 2 emails.
If I'm reading this correctly, Jon agrees that the animal in the photo is a male. What seems to be in question is whether the large, male gecko in the photo is the same animal as the small, probable-female, he sent you 4 weeks earlier. So, like Evan said, pictures would help if you have them.
Jon is able to ship worldwide throughout most of the year, so may we assume that the impending winter you are concerned about is in your town, Palms Springs, CA?

Noelle
 
rcarichter said:
It would also be helpful to see the headers on the last 2 emails.
If I'm reading this correctly, Jon agrees that the animal in the photo is a male. What seems to be in question is whether the large, male gecko in the photo is the same animal as the small, probable-female, he sent you 4 weeks earlier. So, like Evan said, pictures would help if you have them.
Jon is able to ship worldwide throughout most of the year, so may we assume that the impending winter you are concerned about is in your town, Palms Springs, CA?

Noelle
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Noelle, yes I do concerned shipping animals in winter since I lost two shipment before, one from someone, one frome to someone !!

As what I said I have hard time attach photo to here, I am sure is I don't do it right, if you don't mind I can send it by email to you and you post it for me here, thanks.
 
You are more than welcome to email them to me, [email protected].
If you only have the picture of the male, that's not really what we are asking for, since everyone appears to agree upon that one. If you have a picture of the gecko when it arrived to you, that would help. I'd be happy to post anything you are having trouble with.

Noelle
 
Sanguine84 said:
Also, do you have the photos of the hemipenal bulges on the so-called female that Jon sold you? It would only help establish the validity of your claim.
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Yes I do have the photos, same photos I took for Jon, if someone here willing to help me, I can email to you and you can post for me here, I really appreciate it if you can help !!
 
Sanguine84 said:
Alright! Maybe we can look at some gecko junk!

Thank you for clearing up the name issue Ken.
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Thanks Sanguine84, I just sent the photo to Noelle has him help me to post them here. There are two group of photos, one from the day I received it from the post office, the other group is about months and half later, let me know if you still have any questions, thank you guys for help.

Wai
 
rcarichter said:
You are more than welcome to email them to me, [email protected].
If you only have the picture of the male, that's not really what we are asking for, since everyone appears to agree upon that one. If you have a picture of the gecko when it arrived to you, that would help. I'd be happy to post anything you are having trouble with.

Noelle
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Hi Noelle,

I just sent you two group of photos, one from the day I received it from the post office, the other group took at month and half later.
Please let me know if you receive them many thanks.

Wai
 
Here are the photos. The first is at arrival, the second two are current.


p1.jpg

p2.jpg

p3.jpg

Noelle
 
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