Dr. Jay Owens

[NeoScales]

Gee...too late

I have better things to do than to be bothered

Brett, too bad you couldn't find those "better things" before we all had to deal with your child-like behavior. I'm certain the people who took their time away from the "better things" they had to do to defend you, truly appreciate your further antics here.


I'm no psychologist either, but you appear to delight in running others down. So it's either a character flaw, or some social disorder. Either way you’re digging your hole ever deeper. Whether you know it or not when you spout off at the mouth, away from your insulated world of “friends”, you look like a foolish unsettled man.

Your "jokes" about Bob Clark are really funny too. I especially liked it when you referred to him as “Blob Clark” – kind of ironic coming from you don’t you think?

Randy May

 

[Dr Owens]

Juvenile antics

Oh wait! No I'm not. One more thing:

*** Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) ***
Physician \Phy*si"cian\, n. [OE. fisician, fisicien, OF.
physucien, a physician, in F., a natural philosopher, an
experimentalist in physics. See {Physic}.]
1. A person skilled in physic, or the art of healing; one
duty authorized to prescribe remedies for, and treat,
diseases;

** WordNet (r) 2.0 ***
physician
n : a licensed medical practitioner;

You are neither authorized nor licensed to practice medicine. You are not a physician.

Ok...NOW I'm through.

Brett, this is getting really juvenile...

First of all, the first definition accurately describes me. Second, "a licensed medical practitioner" is the same thing as being "board certified." A "board certified physician" is one that has graduated from an accredited medical school and has then passed all 3 parts of the national boards. (This is completely different from being board certified in a particular specialty.) As I have stated before in this thread, I am board certified as a physician.

According to your logic a retired physician is no longer a physician, and that is blatantly untrue. Once again you are spouting off about things that you have no knowledge about (i.e. you're ignorant on the subject).

It is obvious that your only agenda here is to behave as a troll and try to stir up trouble. It is unfortunate that the rest of us are forced to be subject to your obtuse musings.

 

[natas]

I didn't want to even bring this up, but what set me off besides all the remarks you and a few others but mainly you, Dr Owens made about RTB.net was the remark you made which I notice too has been deleted from your site now where you called me a "little man" but made a note that that was not meant as a physical description and then you went on to say that I don't know the meaning of excercise.

I am not trying to stir anything up here but Dr. Owne stated he did was referring to Brett's lack of self-esteem. The "Little Man" statement I can understand as showing a lack of self-esteem but how does saying "Brett dosen't know the meaning of excercize" have anything to do with this?

Did Dr. Owen dodge the question, or was this never said. If it was never said then Dr. Owen has no reason to explain himself

The only reason I bring this up is because alot of this could of all been avoided if neither party threw personal attacks at each other. Sure Brett or Dr Owen or someone else could of thrown the first personal attack, but why bother with throwing one back and making matters worse?

From the looks of it both parties are in fault here, one party just decided to take things further and this caused a even bigger reaction.

BTW this is just a opinion ok. I am not defending Brett here, just reading more into the whole thing.

 

[natas]

Re: Juvenile antics

Brett, this is getting really juvenile...

First of all, the first definition accurately describes me. Second, "a licensed medical practitioner" is the same thing as being "board certified." A "board certified physician" is one that has graduated from an accredited medical school and has then passed all 3 parts of the national boards. (This is completely different from being board certified in a particular specialty.) As I have stated before in this thread, I am board certified as a physician.

According to your logic a retired physician is no longer a physician, and that is blatantly untrue. Once again you are spouting off about things that you have no knowledge about (i.e. you're ignorant on the subject).

It is obvious that your only agenda here is to behave as a troll and try to stir up trouble. It is unfortunate that the rest of us are forced to be subject to your obtuse musings.

Those definitions always confuse me

BTW Dr Owen did you get my last email about your password?

 

[Darin Chappell]

Since we're having fun with definitions, I found some others from Webster's Online Dictionary. I can't imagine what might have inspired these particular selections, though...


Idiot:
Pronunciation: 'i-dE-&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French ydiote, from Latin idiota ignorant person, from Greek idiOtEs one in a private station, layman, ignorant person, from idios one's own, private; akin to Latin suus one's own -- more at SUICIDE
1 usually offensive : a person affected with idiocy
2 : a foolish or stupid person
- idiot adjective

Moron:
Pronunciation: 'mor-"än
Function: noun
Etymology: irregular from Greek mOros foolish, stupid
1 usually offensive : a mildly mentally retarded person
2 : a very stupid person

Imbecile:
Pronunciation: 'im-b&-s&l, -"sil
Function: noun
Etymology: French imbécile, noun, from adjective, weak, weak-minded, from Latin imbecillus
1 usually offensive : a person affected with moderate mental retardation
2 : FOOL, IDIOT

 

[Dr Owens]

I am not trying to stir anything up here but Dr. Owne stated he did was referring to Brett's lack of self-esteem. The "Little Man" statement I can understand as showing a lack of self-esteem but how does saying "Brett dosen't know the meaning of excercize" have anything to do with this?

That is a misquote of what I said. After I used the term "little man" I clarified that this was not a physical description in order to delineate that I wasn't refering to him as "small."

 

[kingmike]

So when he said you made a note something to the effect of he dons't know the meaning of excercise, he was lieing? Sorry, just got a little confused and wanted to know if I was reading it right. ( I have a tendancy to get confused a lot lol )

 

[Dr Owens]

So when he said you made a note something to the effect of he dons't know the meaning of excercise, he was lieing? Sorry, just got a little confused and wanted to know if I was reading it right. ( I have a tendancy to get confused a lot lol )

No...I didn't say that. To be honest, I can't remember the exact quote, but it was something along the lines of "he's a little man (not physically...I'm not even sure if he knows what it means to exercise)" or something to that effect. As Randy already stated, many of us found it somewhat ironic that Brett refered to Bob as "Blob" all of the time. Bob is fit and in good shape, whereas Brett is obviously not (apparently due to a medical condition which is outside his control as he posted earlier).

 

[kingmike]

Ok thanks, I didnt mean my question to be accusatory in anyway whatsoever just so everyone knows.

 

[JuliusSqueezer]

LOL If it wasn't meant as insult, then why did you edit that post to delete that when you went through and whitewashed everything so as not to look like an instigator?

 

[Dr Owens]

LOL If it wasn't meant as insult, then why did you edit that post to delete that when you went through and whitewashed everything so as not to look like an instigator?

Once again you are misrepresenting how things transpired (read as "lying"). On Friday 2/6/04 at 1:34 pm (CDT) I received an email advising me that you had started a thread under a false name (RdKill). That thread was entitled "Is Dr Owens a real doctor?" That thread was originally posted at 11:38 am (CDT). At the time that I got the email, I was leaving to go take my father to get chemo. Since I didn't have time to deal with people trolling and starting fights on the forum, I locked your account and removed from view all topics that you had been posting to. Once I was able to come back later, I reviewed the topics and deleted the ones that didn't have any relevant information to what was occuring. It was at this time that I also locked your "Pope Julius" account.

You then came back and started trolling again on Saturday 2/7/04 at 10:46 am (CDT) under the name "Mr Owens." Over the course of the rest of the day Saturday and then into Sunday you and Eddie kept returning to the BCF under different names in order to continue to harrass the forum. It was also on Saturday that Eddie decided to bring this issue to the BOI.

The point of all of this is simple...those topics were deleted because they were nothing more than deliberate attempts on the part of a troll to stir up trouble on the forum.

 

[liron samuels]

I'm sure...

I did not know the depth of your father's illness and when you said you let your temporary resident training license expire so you could care for your ill father, I simply asked "wouldn't you be able to serve him better with a valid license to practice medicine"

Firstly, as Dr. Owens said, he mentioned why he left his residency.
You knew the exact condition of his father, and still decided to use that in your campaign attempting to spread lies about Jay.
Besides, who would let thier training license expire just because thier father came down with the flue or something like that?!

I'm sorry this offended you....

I'm sorry that you didn't think that was offensive BEFORE you wrote it!

BTW, your "appologies" were lame, and it's obvious that you're just trying to stir things up again...

Just step away from the keyboard before you make yourself look any worse (if that's at all possible...).

 

[JeffMarjama]

My opininon here is this: Everyone should grow up. This is the internet. It's not real life, who cares? I've been called all sorts of names and even flug a few out, but again, it's the net. Who really cares what is said here? Ohhh, Dr Owens called me fat! Ohhh, Brett said I wasn't a physician! For those of you who know me, you know I'm pretty immature myself, but this is even sad to me. I'm glad to see Eddie at least left this thread, I'd suggest Dr. Owens and Brett did the same thing. Seeing as how this forum gets a wicked ammount of posts daily, it'll be buried on page 10 in a few days.

 

[CaptainSlackass]

Judging by the wreck that has been made of RTB over this mess, I'd have to say that last post is overly simplistic, and misplaced.
Brett needs to learn to let things go. Someone that knows him said he's an ok guy that absolutely can't take any hint of an insult. I don't know about the first part, but the last part seems right on the money.
I'd call that a pretty ugly character flaw.

 

[David Bellis]

Although I agree the post should be laid to rest I don't understand Jeff's statements. Yes, this is the internet. It is also real life. The point of the BOI is to prevent people from being ripped off in REAL LIFE. It's unfortunate that people like Brett and Eddie will use these forums to turn it into a pissing match. If anyone actually watched these two idiots on the BCF you'd understand why their posts are so laughable. They're little trolls that apparently get their jollies by stirring up trouble and then try to back peddle to make themselves look like victims. Making slanderous posts trying to hurt the credibility of a well known person and breeder can have real life consequences. I'm sure many people would never do business with Brett or Eddie after this whole fiasco.

 

[JeffMarjama]

Although I agree the post should be laid to rest I don't understand Jeff's statements. Yes, this is the internet. It is also real life. The point of the BOI is to prevent people from being ripped off in REAL LIFE. It's unfortunate that people like Brett and Eddie will use these forums to turn it into a pissing match. If anyone actually watched these two idiots on the BCF you'd understand why their posts are so laughable. They're little trolls that apparently get their jollies by stirring up trouble and then try to back peddle to make themselves look like victims. Making slanderous posts trying to hurt the credibility of a well known person and breeder can have real life consequences. I'm sure many people would never do business with Brett or Eddie after this whole fiasco.

What I mean is this isn't a face to face conversation. For all we know Brett is a 10 yr old kid. If everyone already saw what happened on Bob Clark, then why help bring the mess here? I can see a few posts telling people that this has happened on bob clark and to not pay attention to it, but a 27 page thread? Come on.

 

[NeoScales]

Let's see...

What I mean is this isn't a face to face conversation. For all we know Brett is a 10 yr old kid.

You mean for all "you" know. Because he's known to many as a "real" person, with pictures and everything. Many people on forums interact outside of the net.

If everyone already saw what happened on Bob Clark, then why help bring the mess here?

Um, that's basically the purpose of the BOI, to rate people in the herp world. JFTR, it was Eddie and Brett that brought this to the BOI not anyone from Bob Clark. Webslave just gave it's own thread...

Randy May

 

[IanV]

Jay,
I consider you a good friend of mine, though we have never met in real life. You are always willing to help with anything, and always take calls at 2 in the morning about snakes, or if I am in a bad flare and need to know what a certain medication is.
I am sorry to see your named dragged through the mud here, its really quite sad and obnoxious. This is the last thing you should have to worry about while your father is ill.

Its good to see all the level headed people raly around and support you.


Laird Ian David van Natter
(And Brett, like I said, I can prove my title as well if needs be. And to save you the time, here is the definition of a Laird:
laird ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lârd)
n. Scots
The owner of a landed estate.


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[Scots, from Middle English lard, variant of lord, owner, master. See lord.]


Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.


Laird

\Laird\, n. [See Lord.] A lord; a landholder, esp. one who holds land directly of the crown. [Scot.]


Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.


Laird

n : (Scotland) a landowner

 

[ldydrgn]

I know many of you are tired of this whole situation, but I need to publically apologize to Brett Gardin and Eddie Nolen. Some new found evidence in this matter points to a simple server glitch as the probable cause of the account deletions at Redtailboa.net.

I am not condoning the past actions of these two people, but they were not responsible for the account deletions.

Thanks,
Michelle Smith

 

[DavidBeard]

Thats very honerable of you, Michelle. Despite what has happened, you are showing that YOU are the bigger person here and I'm proud to call you a friend.