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Bad Guy DTS Herps-buyer beware!!!

Craigh said:
OK he is your chance to prove your side. If you sold to anyone you said you did on , before or during the times of these emails that started on Kingsnake from your ad. Post proof of sale with a date ......
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Here's proof of sale. ball is in your court Dan




Your Payment Has Been Initiated‏
From: [email protected] ([email protected])
Sent: Sun 7/06/08 8:06 PM
To: Juan Gracia ([email protected])
PayPal
Dear Juan Gracia,


Your payment for $1,010.00 USD to [email protected] has been initiated. This payment will be completed once the recipient has accepted the payment.

It may take a few moments for this transaction to appear in the Recent Activity list on your Account Overview.

Your eCheck payment will remain "Uncleared" until the funds clear from the your account, which usually takes 3-5 business days. If you are purchasing an item to be shipped, your seller may not ship the item until the funds have cleared.


Payment Details

Amount: $1,010.00 USD

Transaction ID: 4YF06400736055425

Subject: Blue Marine File Snakes

Message:
Hi here's the payment we agreed on for the two pairs of snakes plus shipping. Also if you could please ship these animals on a Monday I would really appreciate it. I'm actually out of town for work right now but my roommate's home and his days off of work are Mondays and Tuesdays. So shipping them on a Monday would insure there'll be someone home to receive them. Thanks

View the details of this transaction online
 
Mr. Liar Garcia:

You denied that I ever spoke with you and you denied that you asked me to obtain the personal pets from Mr. Miller for you.

We have your post that denies that.

What are you going to do when Mr. Miller sends me an email verifying that I contacted him on your behalf and persuaded him to sell you his snakes from his personal collection.

What are you going to do?
 
RE: someone on the BOI is attempting to torpedoe your reputation‏
From: Intense Herpetoculture ([email protected])
Medium riskYou may not know this sender.Mark as safe|Mark as junk
Sent: Fri 3/06/09 7:57 PM
To: Juan Gracia ([email protected])

No thanks, I think the BOI is crap.

-----Original Message-----
From: "Juan Gracia" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: 3/6/2009 1:37 PM
Subject: someone on the BOI is attempting to torpedoe your reputation


Hey Justyn I don't know if you remember me I had bought some File snakes from Dan Scolaro. Anyway that whole situation went to hell with Dan and I would like to point out that he is now publicly claiming on the BOI the entire situation is entirely your fault. The way I always saw it yes I did receive sub-par animals from you but given that my transaction was entirely with Dan I really don't have a claim against you. which is why when I posted a bad guy thread on the BOI I specifically blamed Dan for everything that transpired. Dan on the other hand claims otherwise and I was wondering if you wanted to set the record straight and defend yourself? Here's the link to the thread http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127840


What are you going to do NOW Dan.
 
RE: someone on the BOI is attempting to torpedoe your reputation‏
From: Juan Gracia ([email protected])
Sent: Fri 3/06/09 10:49 PM
To: [email protected]
Sorry Justyn but I'm not your lawyer and we have not had a mutual agreements as to this therefore your emails are not protected conversations under law.

> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:57:12 +0000
> Subject: RE: someone on the BOI is attempting to torpedoe your reputation
>
> Plus, Dan told me he was refunding your money. Also, all these emails from me to you are private and legally can not be posted or referenced on the BOI.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Juan Gracia" <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: 3/6/2009 1:37 PM
> Subject: someone on the BOI is attempting to torpedoe your reputation
>
>
> Hey Justyn I don't know if you remember me I had bought some File snakes from Dan Scolaro. Anyway that whole situation went to hell with Dan and I would like to point out that he is now publicly claiming on the BOI the entire situation is entirely your fault. The way I always saw it yes I did receive sub-par animals from you but given that my transaction was entirely with Dan I really don't have a claim against you. which is why when I posted a bad guy thread on the BOI I specifically blamed Dan for everything that transpired. Dan on the other hand claims otherwise and I was wondering if you wanted to set the record straight and defend yourself? Here's the link to the thread http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127840
 
well Dan since Justyn does not want to confirm or deny anything and I have the only tangible proof you have just once again have been shown to be lying
 
Dan,
Potential phonecalls notwithstanding, he initiated contact with you on 7/6. You responded that same day, stating you had the file snakes. He initiated payment that same day, via echeck through PayPal. There is none of this delay in payment you spoke of earlier. You had a payment that took a few days to clear.

Juan, welcome to the distorted world of Dan Scolaro. He sometimes has some valid points, but he repeats his rhetoric so often (sometimes tweaking it a little) that most readers just grow numb to his antics and it gets harder to pay attention and keep the versions straight.

This time, Dan's stories don't match up and fall short when compared to the timeline illustrated by the emails. Unfortunately, phone conversations will remain an issue of he said/she said (yeah, I know, there is no she in this one), but the emails and PayPal receipt seem to clearly show that Juan responded directly to Dan's ad, and purchased animals that Dan stated he had available. IMO, if Dan sold those animals while before the payment cleared, that is his own fault.
 
The edit button is right there, too :rolleyes:
Pretend the word "while" is not really included in the last sentence.
 
Dan even if Harald were right and you sold the animals while the funds cleared what's so hard to UNDERSTAND collecting funds more than once on the same animals is a SCAM. once the payment was initiated those animals were on hold for me. If on the other hand you didn't have animals available it is still a SCAM.
 
Next if the animals were sold before the payment was initiated then why do email me with this


From: Juan Gracia ([email protected])

Sent: Thu 7/10/08 10:36 AM
To: [email protected]
Hi I was just wondering if you received the payment for those File Snakes? Thanks.

Juan

Re: ‏
From: [email protected]

Sent: Thu 7/10/08 10:42 AM
To: [email protected]
Juan: Yes, I did get the payment yesterday and am scheduled to ship Monday as you requested to the address below. I will send a tracking number Monday night. Thanks.

Dan

Juan Gracia
1142A Gravel St
San Marcos, TX 78666


if you have no animals to ship then once again this is deceitful and a SCAM
 
Those emails are misleading.

You called me after I sold out and I told you that I sold out.

You asked me to do you a favor and persuade the importer to sell you the one's in his personal collection.

I did you a favor and you got 3 good snakes and you defauded the government with a bogus report of non-delivery and that forced me to send you a refund. You are a scammer and nothing more.

Evidence will be here shortly thief.
 
Well given the fact that Dan has been so adamant about keeping track of what is being said on this forum and given his last statement on this thread I don't see what is taking him so long to post his evidence. Especially considering he's had about two days now to have compiled and submitted this said evidence I don't see the reason for this delay. This leads me to believe that either:

A. He has absolutely no evidence whatsoever

or

B. He has absolutely no evidence and he is now in the process of attempting to fabricate himself some. which would probably be one of the dumbest things he could do since he'd then be on the hook for that too but I wouldn't put it past him at this point. I guess we'll give him some more time and see what happens
 
Got you again in another lie Mr. Liar Garcia.

The FBI report for non-delivery is evidence you received the goods and did not send them back. The FEDEX tracking number is from the source you asked me to get them for you in Texas and I am in Florida.

And you wrote the below statement a minute ago:

Juan Gracia hereby specifically and explicitly deny the fact that I contacted Mr. Dan Scolaro of DTS-herps after his ad had been removed and all his stock was sold and begged him to ask the importer to sell me his snakes.

Here is the evidence you lied:

On the request of Dan as a favor I sent Juan four blue file snakes, personal specimens I held back for myself and son. One arrived DOA (the smallest & bluest male), the other three arrived alive. Juan was upset that the females were not very blue (as he was told before, the males are more blue). He wanted new snakes and I requested he send back the three animals to me. The three animals were never returned despite talking to Juan as Juan was not available (in Alaska) and his roommate never returned my calls when I called to set everything up for them to be returned. I even offered to pay to have them shipped back to me as well as sending any supplies they would need to ship them safely back. Once returned to me I (Justyn Miller) was going to supply new specimens to Juan to replace the animals I supplied him.

Justyn Miller Intense Herpetoculture
 
Dan Scolaro said:
You are bad because you are supporting a criminal who frauded his government with a non-delivery of goods report and who stole the snakes and my money.
QUOTE]

I just joined after reading this thread. I am not taking sides against you Dan, but can you just answer one question that I am suprised nobody has asked?

if the snakes were not yours, and you were not brokering them, and the money was your shipper in Texas, how can you claim he stole YOUR snakes and/or YOUR money? If you just helped your friend collect the money using your paypal account, and gave him the money for the snakes he sent from his collection, then you are not out anything (snakes or money). And if what I am writing is correct, then why are you in such a passionate battle over someone elses money and snakes? Help me understand that.

Fred Bundy
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Dan Scolaro said:
Proof of what?

He admits to robbing my snakes by never sending them back.

The FEXED tracking number shows where he received the goods and his non-delivery report to the FBI was bogus.

What other proof do you need?

He is saying I had a dozen snakes here and the fedex tracker sends them from the importers to his home.

His own evidence sunk him.

Read the facts my friend and do not permit yourself to be lowered because of lies and misleads.
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In case you are going to say they were not your snakes, the post i quoted is your own words saying they were yours and not some guy in texas. so we have posts saying the money was yours, and the snakes were yours, yet in other posts you say you only helped facililitate the selling of someone elses snakes using your paypal account because he did not have an account with paypal. which way are you going to go with this?
 
Fred:

I had to refund the money because he filed a FBI complaint against me, not the person who sent him the animals, so it was my account that was frozen, so despite you are correct that the other fellow should of been accountable for some of the funds in this issue, it was me who he filed against and me who paid the entire amount back plus some because I forgot how much it was.

As you can see, I lost out on the snakes and money and learned a lesson from helping this Mr. Liar Garcia out and many months later after stealing the snakes and monies he starts a bogus thread. I can only figure the snakes he stole a year ago in July died recently and he is a cry baby. Other than that, he stole the snakes and money and have no idea why he started a thread? I can only assume he is working in collaboration with someone else I proved wrong here and they are seeking revenge? Who knows?

If you can determine why after he got the snakes and money and started a bad thread months later, then let me know because I don't know why he did this as he is now going to be sued over it.

What is worse is the so called "experts" here can easily see he held the snakes and refused to return them and they side with him. It really does not lend them much credit when the take the side of someone who is clearly in the wrong.
 
Fred: In a court of law, I would have to prove the animals were mine. I did not have possession or ownership of them and they were the personal pets of Mr. Miller. So you are correct that it might now be difficult in court to prove they were my snakes. When I say my snakes, I am just phrasing it that way because it was my money that somehow ended up back in the buyers pocket for them. But I am not sure how the court will view it since I never owned them nor had possession nor shipped them.
 
Dan Scolaro said:
Fred:

I had to refund the money because he filed a FBI complaint against me, not the person who sent him the animals, so it was my account that was frozen, so despite you are correct that the other fellow should of been accountable for some of the funds in this issue, it was me who he filed against and me who paid the entire amount back plus some because I forgot how much it was.

As you can see, I lost out on the snakes and money and learned a lesson from helping this Mr. Liar Garcia out and many months later after stealing the snakes and monies he starts a bogus thread. I can only figure the snakes he stole a year ago in July died recently and he is a cry baby. Other than that, he stole the snakes and money and have no idea why he started a thread? I can only assume he is working in collaboration with someone else I proved wrong here and they are seeking revenge? Who knows?

If you can determine why after he got the snakes and money and started a bad thread months later, then let me know because I don't know why he did this as he is now going to be sued over it.

What is worse is the so called "experts" here can easily see he held the snakes and refused to return them and they side with him. It really does not lend them much credit when the take the side of someone who is clearly in the wrong.
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Fair enough. TYhank you for the answer. I really could not understand your passion here if the snakes and money were not even yours. So cant this Miller refund you the money you lost trying to help him sell his sick snakes?
 
Well Mr. Miller did what he could do to get back his snakes so despite Mr. Liar Garcia stole them and refused to return them, how can I hold him Mr. Miller so accountable when it was the buyer who refused to return them.

And we are not talking about any old snake. These were rare imports with perhaps 10 times the value they were marketed for. As such, Mr. Criminal Garcia stole the rare snakes and filed a report of non-delivery with the FBI and was able to get my account suspended as that is automatic and vice waiting weeks for the issue be cleared, I just refunded the money back because I am a sweet dude.

Now he comes here months later with a bogus complaint and is going to feel my shoe in court as I will no longer be nice to him. He is a crook and thief is all. The standard in the industry is to return something if not satisfied. He kept the other 3 snakes for months or still has them alive for all I know. I was never provided any photos of any dead animals and he has a great camera, so he is a thief and fraud.
 
Dan Scolaro said:
Got you again in another lie Mr. Liar Garcia.

The FBI report for non-delivery is evidence you received the goods and did not send them back. The FEDEX tracking number is from the source you asked me to get them for you in Texas and I am in Florida.

And you wrote the below statement a minute ago:

Juan Gracia hereby specifically and explicitly deny the fact that I contacted Mr. Dan Scolaro of DTS-herps after his ad had been removed and all his stock was sold and begged him to ask the importer to sell me his snakes.

Here is the evidence you lied:

On the request of Dan as a favor I sent Juan four blue file snakes, personal specimens I held back for myself and son. One arrived DOA (the smallest & bluest male), the other three arrived alive. Juan was upset that the females were not very blue (as he was told before, the males are more blue). He wanted new snakes and I requested he send back the three animals to me. The three animals were never returned despite talking to Juan as Juan was not available (in Alaska) and his roommate never returned my calls when I called to set everything up for them to be returned. I even offered to pay to have them shipped back to me as well as sending any supplies they would need to ship them safely back. Once returned to me I (Justyn Miller) was going to supply new specimens to Juan to replace the animals I supplied him.

Justyn Miller Intense Herpetoculture
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Oh my god are you that stupid Dan. Evidence implies tangible proof. Not somebody else's assertions especially when those assertions come from some one with just as bad of a reputation as yours, but nonetheless even if this was the statement Justyn sent you and you didn't just created it since we can't see any info regarding what I'm supposing is an email. Justyn Clearly states it was at your request and as a favor to you that he sent animals to me not mine which proves that you were lying all this time and were in fact brokering snakes and that the transaction was never between me and Justyn but between you and me as is supported by my evidence and now by Justyn.
The statement then says:
"The three animals were never returned despite talking to Juan as Juan was not available (in Alaska)"
did he provide you with proof that he contacted me? no because there is no proof that ever happened. If it had he would have an email going to me and I don't have this email, and since there was no phone conversation which could be easily proven otherwise by going through phone records, this is a baseless statement . Here Dan my number is 512-289-3920 tell justyn happy hunting. In fact I will obtain my cell phone records and prove no phone calls were made to me from justyn.

he did call my roommate and was perhaps unable to get a hold of him althought I thought I remember being told by my roommate they had spoken on the phone. I will have to double check on this. Lastly I know for a fact that there weren't multiple calls from either you nor justyn as the voicemail messages left by both you and him were saved and kept I will try to submit those as well as I believe there are only a couple

and lastly I didn't refuse to return the remaining snakes merely made you aware of the fact that it would be a few days before they could be shipped back if you so chose to want them back and that they would probably die in return transit afterwhich you clearly told me not send the snakes back and would still be sending me 4 new ones when the new shipment arrives as can be clearly as seen from the TANGIBLE(ie. emails) evidence I provided. And given that we just proved the transaction was between you and me all along it would make sense I would have gone with what you said instead of a third party I never had anything to do with to begin with.

Care to give this evidence thing another try Dan? Since you just can't seem to grasp the concept very well.
 
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