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Louisiana Pine Snakes: CB 10: $250

Attractive Louisiana Pine Snakes as shown at almost 4 foot long (44 inches) captive born 2010. Male in top and center photo and female in bottom photo. These are eating defrosted rodents. Ref (1f and 2m).

Priced at $500 for the sexed pair. Male or female at $300 each.

Shipping extra.

Please see more about this species at this link: http://www.dtsherpsinc.com/Bull--Gopher--and-Pine-Snakes.html

Thanks, but not considering trades at this moment.

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These snakes are clearly crosses. They are not worth the money that they are being advertised for. This is yet another dispicable display of misrepresentation to gain a profit. Need I say more? Buyer beware!!! If you are an honest Pituophis fan and want to start a true LA Pine population, do not start here. These are NOT what they are being advertised as. DTS, if you don't know what you have, do some homework. You are selling snakes for 300 bucks that MIGHT be worth 30. Good luck.
 
Chris,
Did you email DTS and say anything about the ad? Most bigger businesses charge a good bit extra for their animals, are you positive the snakes are crosses?
 
How can you honestly call DTS out on what locality of animal hes selling based on two pictures he is providing? Personally they look like louisiana pines to me, but you cant just call someone out like that without doing some closer observations (scale counts, dna testing if possible, etc). Besides even "pure" lines of cb herps coming from isolated localities never truly look exactly like their wild counterparts, since your most likely inbreeding them.
 
Dan is well known for his "business practices".
Any additional info about him on the BOI, will hopefully persuade someone from doing business with him.
 
I completely agree with this.

hadenglock said:
How can you honestly call DTS out on what locality of animal hes selling based on two pictures he is providing? Personally they look like louisiana pines to me, but you cant just call someone out like that without doing some closer observations (scale counts, dna testing if possible, etc). Besides even "pure" lines of cb herps coming from isolated localities never truly look exactly like their wild counterparts, since your most likely inbreeding them.
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hadenglock said:
How can you honestly call DTS out on what locality of animal hes selling based on two pictures he is providing? Personally they look like louisiana pines to me, but you cant just call someone out like that without doing some closer observations (scale counts, dna testing if possible, etc). Besides even "pure" lines of cb herps coming from isolated localities never truly look exactly like their wild counterparts, since your most likely inbreeding them.
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If you saw the pics representing the "so called" LA pines in the ad and can honestly post here saying they look like LA pines, I would advise anyone and everyone to put you on their "do not buy locality from" list. I defy you to find a reputable breeder or even a reputable fieldherper of these pines to come on this site and testify that they would incorporate one of the pines in the ad into their breeding projects. GOOD LUCK!!!
 
Ed Clark said:
I completely agree with this.
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" (scale counts, dna testing if possible, etc)."

I am suprised that such an experienced herpetologist would agree with that post. My message is to those who lack experience with Pits and are enthusiastic about starting legitimate projects with locality animals. People should do their homework, yes. Hopefully this thread will be a part of their homework. I have never seen an LA pine look like a northeastern bull...ever. And I agree, if you buy from DTS herps, make sure you are well off enough financially to get DNA testing on any snakes purchased from this establishment. PUH-LEASE!
 
hadenglock said:
How can you honestly call DTS out on what locality of animal hes selling based on two pictures he is providing? Personally they look like louisiana pines to me, but you cant just call someone out like that without doing some closer observations (scale counts, dna testing if possible, etc). Besides even "pure" lines of cb herps coming from isolated localities never truly look exactly like their wild counterparts, since your most likely inbreeding them.
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DTS has two Ruthveni ads.

The ones pictured in the $250 ad do not look like any ruthveni I have ever seen and I've been keeping and breeding ruthveni for a fairly long time.
 
Damage control???

A new ad on the "other site" shows what "appear" to be LA pine hatchlings. Can you say "damage control"? Anyone buy the fake LA pines yet? It would be nice to know who will be polluting the future gene pool, whether intentionally or accidently (due to misrepresentation).
 
hmmm. Do you think it is really intentionable? I have had only positive transaction with DTS. Possibly just going off another persons word of where they came from?
 
Heeeeeaaaaar Deety, Deety, Deety...

Reptilecam said:
Was he called out on it or made aware of the.misrepresenation?
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No and no.
Anyone with any experience with these Pits can clearly see after viewing those pics that they are not La. Pines. Therefore, I guess the experienced(?} seller is the only one who needs to be "made aware" of "the misrepresentation"? Please.
 
MRC31 said:
hmmm. Do you think it is really intentionable? I have had only positive transaction with DTS. Possibly just going off another persons word of where they came from?
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I have no idea whether it's intentional or not.

Dealing with ruthveni is tricky enough due to the fact that some lines are admittedly corrupted. It's possible that DTS has no idea that they are selling animals that probably aren't ruthveni.

When you buy or sell LA pines, it is standard practice to be able to prove the lineage/purity of the snakes. If a seller can't show the "pedigree", don't do business with them.

In this case, if DTS chooses to respond to the OP, all they need to do is show the paperwork on the snakes.

If they can't, I would write these off as some other sort of pit.

I've seen ruthveni that are atypical - clearing markings on the head and neck, brighter yellows, etc., but I have not seen true ruthveni that look like the ones in that specific ad - specifically locality north eastern bull snakes.
 
MRC31 said:
hmmm. Do you think it is really intentionable? I have had only positive transaction with DTS. Possibly just going off another persons word of where they came from?
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Hmmm. Intentionable??? I am always glad to hear when people are happy with their transactions. Good for you. This isn't abouty transactions. I do hope you got what you were supposed to. Another person's word? Huh-whu? The only place I have mentioned it or corresponded with anyone regarding those misrepresented snakes so far is on this site. Trust me, I need no input or influence regarding this thread or those animals.
 
Skiploder said:
I have no idea whether it's intentional or not.

Dealing with ruthveni is tricky enough due to the fact that some lines are admittedly corrupted. It's possible that DTS has no idea that they are selling animals that probably aren't ruthveni.

When you buy or sell LA pines, it is standard practice to be able to prove the lineage/purity of the snakes. If a seller can't show the "pedigree", don't do business with them.

In this case, if DTS chooses to respond to the OP, all they need to do is show the paperwork on the snakes.

If they can't, I would write these off as some other sort of pit.

I've seen ruthveni that are atypical - clearing markings on the head and neck, brighter yellows, etc., but I have not seen true ruthveni that look like the ones in that specific ad - specifically locality north eastern bull snakes.
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Nicely put, but there isn't enough "paperwork" on the planet that would make me believe those are true Ruthveni. They are not.
 
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