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duane beattie rips off another victim

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I just got the worst order, DUANE BEATTIE FROM P.A. sells lots of lizards and obviously ran out, and instead of refunding me, he sent newborn chameleons instead. I have lost 4 of 10, the vet couldn't even save the last one. Newborns have not been fattened up for a journey thru the post office as I'm sure you know and he knows, but since he's more concerned with the dollar then the babies he's cranking out I thiought I would warn you. Don't deal with him or his wife janene beattie . This HORRIBLE loss over a 24 hour period Having to watch the second starved and dehydrated newborn, to week from travel who couldnt even stand up, wiggling in a incubator at the Vets. My husband taped the horrible sight as I cried and cried trying to save the little guy. I am going to put a picture of each one up to show everyone the unbelievably small size of these guys that he was claiming to be two months . Thanks for your help by not supporting this loser . And for new people in the business please don't ship newborns. I am just so hurt and shocked but I need to get the word out I wish I had read the other posts against him that I am finding now. But he cancels the sale on the web site and keeps all your money so you can't post a negative score against him. I am so angered over this.
 
Chuck and Vicki Delph bought chameleons form me. She had one month babies for 12 hours and did not give them water because quote "I don't want to drown them". And had them on a heating pad because Quote "They were cold." After she contacted us 12 hours after she got them we told her "Take them off the heating pad and give them water" "Why would you put them on a heating pad?" " Your killing them"
She said a vet told her. Now anyone who knows me, knows that I send a multi page care sheet with instructions on how to take care of them. and in it is says NO HEAT PAD!!!!!! And it says "When you open the box if there is a problem call me immediately" It also says to "Give them water as soon as you take them out of the box". So everyone. Did she follow the directions? NO! Would you refund her money? NO! Does it seem like she wants Free chameleons? YES. Check a post they have here asking for FREE chameleons. This is sad, because IF she is telling the truth, those 2 or 3 or 4 babies died because of her carelessness. (Don't know how many died. First it was 3 then 2 now 4). It's just sad, because those babies were healthy eating drinking one month old veilds. Whatever she did to them is just really sad.
 
Chuck and Vicki Delph bought chameleons form me. She had one month babies for 12 hours and did not give them water because quote "I don't want to drown them". And had them on a heating pad because Quote "They were cold." After she contacted us 12 hours after she got them we told her "Take them off the heating pad and give them water" "Why would you put them on a heating pad?" " Your killing them"
She said, a vet told her to put them on a heating pad!!!!. Now anyone who knows me, knows that I send a multi page care sheet with instructions on how to take care of them. and in it is says NO HEAT PAD!!!!!! And it says "When you open the box if there is a problem call me immediately" It also says to "Give them water as soon as you take them out of the box". So everyone. Did she follow the directions? NO! Would you refund her money? NO! Does it seem like she wants Free chameleons? YES. Check a post they have here asking for FREE chameleons. This is sad, because IF she is telling the truth, those 2 or 3 or 4 babies died because of her carelessness. (Don't know how many died. First it was 3 then 2 now 4).
She COOKED THEM!!!!!
 
I've purchased from Duane in the past and was very satisfied. He provides care instructions for those who don't know how to care for his animals and was always good at communicating with me during my purchase from him. It sounds to me like you did not understand what you were doing, didn't read his information sheets he sent you and took the advice of a vet who either was not informed fully about the animals (ie: that they were babies) or was simply not a qualified reptile (let alone chameleon) vet. I don't think you have any claim with Duane and with you posting this thread twice and posting negative feedback on him three times, it seems to me like you are misusing the BOI as well.

Chris
 
OK VICKI DELPH AND CHUCK DELPH. This is Janene. When you called her at Midnight hysterical, I tried to help you. I told you to take them off the heating pad. Give them water. You didn't want to do it. I really think you got some freebies from someone and they died and your little pictures and video tape will be of them not ours. Also you got ONE month old. You din't want to pay the extra money for the TWO month old. Just remember Vicki. When you called here you were leaving a message on the answering machine. When I picked up the machine was still recording. It's all on tape. You are at fault. I don't believe for a second that the chameleons you bought from us are dead.
Hey, anyone out there reading this, Did you happen to send them freebies? That's what the video will be. She actually first contacted us asking for Free deformed babies for some kind of childrens school. Duane is a respectable chameleon breeder. But it is people like this that make it hard to trust the Good, Honest People out there. One month old babies for 12 hours, No Water, Cooking on a Heating pad. I would die too!
 
Two duplicate threads were posted, and I've taken the liberty of merging them. As such, one copy of the initial post and a reply stating that this was posted twice have been deleted.
 
do not buy from this man

does it really make sense that I would pay 215$ and not take care of the babies? The reptile vet has been doing business in this town the twelve years I've lived here.I know duane has been selling lots of chameleons he breeds them constantly .Look at the pics of his male you can see all the packing boxes in the background. HE seemed knowledgeable or I would not have ordered from him. And I'm very happy that some people recieved good animals. But In my case he ran out of what he advertised and sent newborns cause he didn't want TO REFUND the cash he had in hand. And I'm glad he has the recording of that phone call cause I was balling my eyes out crying so hard I could barely breathe. I love all types of animals and to watch these guy dying and not be able to stand, and being so tiny they were hard to hold while the vet and I tried to re hydrate them was a horrible thing I don't want anyone to go thru what my family has seen.Please ask to listen to the phone call . I was asking for advice on how to save these little babies, and would he please talk me thru a care procedure for newborns and he attacked instantly, because he was worried about his guarentee he promised in his ad and that he might lose some money.He shows only anger like in his posts with no concern or calls on how to help save the little guys. You can hear the desperation of me wanting to save lives not get something for free, if you listen to the phone call. If you back Duane on this he will continue sending newborns to others, I' m only concerned about animal cruelty. We all love reptiles, thats are pleasure, and we have to keep up the good and end the bad, thats why you and I are at this site right now, to keep people from doing bad things so we can all enjoy our hobby.
 
I bought chams from Duane and they were in great shape. I'd never owned baby chams before, so they sent the care sheet via email, then a hard copy of it with the babies. Mine did fine.

Vickie & Chuck: Do you have a copy of the vet's statement or bill that you can post? When did you receive the animals? When did you take them to the vet? When did each die? Did you really withhold water and put them on a heat pad? You keep reiterating your complaint but haven't addressed the issues that Duane brought up. Do you have documentation that you purchased 2 month old chams and not newborns? (10 for $215, that would be quite a deal on 2 month olds.)
 
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!

hello there. im just putting in my 5 cents here. chuck and vicki, here it is, straight up front. are you nuts? you have no clue how to care for veild chameleons do you! if you did, you would know that you should have taken them from the box right away, ste them up, feed and ATLEAST WATER THEM!! you are completely clueless! my 5 year old and 8 year old know what to do with veilds with telling them one time! you were given a 2 page care sheet just like i got and just like EVERYONE GETS!!
now if you cant READ, thats ok, you should have had someone read it to you. this stuff is falling off a log simple!! you obviously have no business owning or caring for chameleons. what made you think that you could leave them on a heating pad!! are you that inept! heating pads? chameleons are arboreal and they get their light from above!! you cooked them! you dehydrated them! you are the one to blame for their untimely deaths!!
attacking duane is absolutely uncalled for and childish.
obviously you made a big mistake and are trying to make duane pay for it by trying to put a mark on his reputation.
there are hundreds of people who got veilds from duane(myself included) and they are all happy! if something happened AFTER they followed the directions to the "T" duane was always happy to help in any way they agreed upon. now after your sensless attack, duane may not be willing to do that so easily.

all you need to do is admit your mistake and admit that duane did his part and offer you the same courtesy he offers everyone when he ships his animals.
by the way, why would you want runts or cripled veilds anyhow? is there some sort of scheme there? were you going to get the crippled ones and put up notes that thats what you got to steal healthy ones? hmm, sounds a little thin to me. you need to be a litttle more creative next time.

my veilds have done very well! WITH MY 5 YEAR AND 8 YEAR OLD TAKING CARE OF THEM!!

have a wonderful day.

tom
 
I have never shipped in animals from Duane, but I've purchased a few now and then at the Monroeville show, and they have always done well. I find it very hard to believe that he sent newborns because I know for a fact he doesn't like to sell them. I've been to more than one show where he didn't sell very many because someone else was selling newly hatched babies cheap.
I have also witnessed his selling animals, Duane always makes sure that the person(s) purchasing his animals knows exactly what they need to prosper, this includes lighting, tempeture, diet, vitamins, mineral supplements, and how to water them too.
I'm also curious about why anyone would put baby chameleons on a heating pad. I do understand that you would want to heat up most sickly reptiles, but not chameleons. Why wouldn't you spray them? They lap water and need to be sprayed a couple of times a day until they can be trained to use a dripper.
You purcased 10! One or two can be a lot of work, and if your not sure of what your doing why would you purchase so many all at once. If I can find any fault with Duane its selling you more than you could handle, but it doesn't sound like you did your homework.

John Chapek
 
now we are getting down to the other lies told by duane beattie

This purchase was made on a dutch price set by duane at a auction ad. why should I have to pay more? They pushed me after they had my money but I did not think I should have to pay another 50.00 dollars for what was already promised and neither would anyone else, maybe thats why they sent 2 dead babies cause I did not fall for the" bait and switch". The ad duane had sets a price you either pay it or don't . I paid him in full, he did not send what he advertised. They continue to post absurd statements of mistreatment on my part, but I have not read any words of concern for the babies, or any Caring messages of how they care for newborns just hatched, to help me do everything right. only attacks of hate because they promise to guarantee something and are trying to back out of their promise, they ran out of sellable babies on a big order and couldn'nt complete the auction purchase. They made a bad choice, all I asked them for was help, to give the newborns the best possible care! Like they say, they recorded the phone call of me crying asking for help. I'll bet they won't let you hear it.
 
Vicki,

The rules of the BOI are that if you are going to make accusations like you have been, you need to provide proof. Please provide us with evidence to your claim that you paid for 2 month olds as you said you were promised originally, provide us with evidence that you received hatchlings rather than 1 month olds as Duane stated (I hate to say it but you seem to have no experience with chameleons so I have a hard time believing you would know a neonate from anything), please provide us with answers to the issues Duane has mentioned. Right now, you are spouting off accusations and ignoring all the criticism of the terribly neglectful actions you took. You wanted free chameleons from the start (there are adds from you asking for just that). It looks to me like you found the cheapest animals you could find and then wanted more for it. You clearly did not do your research or you would not have gotten chameleons for your childrens school program to start with, let alone 10. You didn't read the information sheet he provided with you. You acted neglectfully IMO and because you did not read the information he provided you with, you ended up mistreating and ultimately killing your newly purchased animals. You've proven the last points to me, now please provide proof to your accusations toward Duane.

Chris
 
Maybe you missed my questions:
Vickie & Chuck: Do you have a copy of the vet's statement or bill that you can post? When did you receive the animals? When did you take them to the vet? When did each die? Did you really withhold water and put them on a heat pad? You keep reiterating your complaint but haven't addressed the issues that Duane brought up. Do you have documentation that you purchased 2 month old chams and not newborns? (10 for $215, that would be quite a deal on 2 month olds.)
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No one is accusing you of not trying desperately to take care of the animals after they arrived. It doesn't matter if you called them crying or not. Please answer the above questions.
 
chris you checked him out last year yourself

you wanted to know how other people were treated by this man. well he mailed me dead animals . he is not posting care info he is posting lies. you were concerened last year about purchasing from him , so was I . I was also unaware he could delete an unhappy customer so they could not post a negative. I am truly glad your experience was good, mine however was extremely horrible. You expected the truth when you investigated him last year, but you haven't heard the recording or seen the video or talked to the vet or called me to Question me , you seem like a very educated man from your complaints of others , PLEASE if you truly care about the animals get all the facts first. YOUR friend DUANE is human and did make an error, deleting ads to cover it up and not doing the right things is what I'm letting the readers know. I certainly have better things to do, but if your animals you recieved looked like what I recieved you may not have been so nice.
 
Chris Anderson said:
Vicki,

The rules of the BOI are that if you are going to make accusations like you have been, you need to provide proof.

Chris
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Although it is strongly suggested, it is not a requirement to post proof. Failing to do so may, and usually does, add doubt to the accusers credibility. It will not earn you warning points.
 
Vicki,

I posted prior to purchasing from him because i wanted to educate myself before I purchased. I liked what I found and received exactly what I asked for.

I'm a little surprised about telling me to get all the facts. While I obviously did not take part in your transaction, I've read this thread through and have to question whether or not you have. Every indication from this thread has been that Duane's only fault was selling to you in the first place, let alone more animals than you could handle or knew what to do with. As I've said, its very evident to me that you did not do what was necessary prior to purchasing your animals and as a result of your mistakes, the animals suffered. You've been asked to provide us something that shows otherwise but every time you've continued to ignore these requests and go on with further accusations with nothing to show for them. No one is questioning whether Duane is human or capable of error but in this case, you've shown that your error was not doing the needed research prior to purchasing, not reading the instructions given to you by Duane and as a result, being responsible for the deaths of 4 (?) chameleons. Please provide us with something to indicate otherwise.

Chris
 
chris listen to the recorded phone coversation your friend has

MY phone call to Duane is only asking for help to save the remaining babies ,do you really think I have nothing better to do with my time ? I was badly hurt by this man , and stand to gain nothing for telling what happened. The best way for you to tell the TRUTH is to listen to the phone call Duane recorded and then decide. My ad number is 1097073928 on reptibid .com I was going to purchase 1 of Duanes trios but he only had this site open when I was ready to buy, I give you My permission to listen to that recording PLEASE take a minute and listen to it, I've taken time away from my kids because I'm doing the right thing and would not continue this if everything I've reported was not true. There is no way for you to decide till you hear all three of us on that recording. and attacking me won't solve this misfortune.
 
One more time

OK, I accept that you called Duane crying hysterically and begging for help to save the babies. NOW will you answer the questions?
Vickie & Chuck: Do you have a copy of the vet's statement or bill that you can post? When did you receive the animals? When did you take them to the vet? When did each die? Did you really withhold water and put them on a heat pad? Do you have documentation that you purchased 2 month old chams and not newborns? (10 for $215, that would be quite a deal on 2 month olds.)
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It sounds to me (and Chris, and most others) that you ignored the caresheet and took some bad advice from someone; that is not Duane's fault. If you have documentation that you purchased one type of animal and received another, that WOULD be Duane's fault.

However, your refusal to do more than inundate every possible thread containing Duane's name with emotional rantings about poor mistreated animals is resulting in an opinion that YOU are someone to be avoided. How many threads have the mods had to delete for multiple postings now?

Ken is correct, proof is not required for posting. It would be very helpful for credibility, though. Heck, even a few factual details would assist your fellow herpers in understanding where this deal went wrong.
 
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