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Duck Bills?

GreenTreePython13

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Personally, will the presence of a duck bill keep you from buying a snake? Other than looking funny, are there negative affects of them? Also I know that they are more common in super black pastels and super cinnys, but what is the frequency of their presence in these morphs?
 
Personally I would not buy a duck billed super black or super cinny, but then I plan on making my own supers this season so I won't have to buy someone else's duck bills, lol. j/k
 
I won't buy one, either. Even if it turns out to not be genetic--I don't know what's been proven, or not, with "duckbills"--I wouldn't want to buy a deformed animal to look at everyday. I'm just hoping that I never produce one! lol
 
the super black/cinny or any combination there of has the potential for duckbling and paradox spots. So they have a narrow snout or bump on the end of their nose. I produced one last year that has no issues. If you like them, make one. People countinue to breed morphs with known neurological disorders. (ie spider) Think i d rather have one with a blemish than life threatening neurosis.
 
john33 said:
People countinue to breed morphs with known neurological disorders. (ie spider) Think i d rather have one with a blemish than life threatening neurosis.
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The question is "will the presence of a duck bill keep you from buying a snake?"

Absolutely it would, if I buy a snake to breed I want the best example of that morph I can find.

If I make duck billed super blacks with my black pastels it will be the last time they breed to each other.
 
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snakesRkewl said:
The question is "will the presence of a duck bill keep you from buying a snake?"

Absolutely it would, if I buy a snake to breed I want the best example of that morph I can find.

If I make duck billed super blacks with my black pastels it will be the last time they breed to each other.
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GreenTreePython13 said:
Jerry what would you do with one if you produced it?
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Give it to my grandson for a pet, if I have several to give away I have several friends that would love one to play with.
I know the risk ahead of time and am willing to accept the fact I could produce duckbills that are not going to be in high demand and that I might have to just give them away to people I know won't breed them.
I can't control the snakes beyond that except to not do that breeding again.
 
GreenTreePython13 said:
Personally, will the presence of a duck bill keep you from buying a snake? Other than looking funny, are there negative affects of them? Also I know that they are more common in super black pastels and super cinnys, but what is the frequency of their presence in these morphs?
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Yes, it would. Why would I pay good money for a DEFORMED snake? :ack2:

It can happen on any morph, but I doubt that any studies have been done to calculate frequency in any particular morph line.
 
Here's a related question....if a 'duck-billed' super black pastel or super cinny is bred to a normal or morph that does not normally have the propensity to produce 'duck-bills', does the deformity disappear in the offspring?
 
TheFragginDragon said:
Here's a related question....if a 'duck-billed' super black pastel or super cinny is bred to a normal or morph that does not normally have the propensity to produce 'duck-bills', does the deformity disappear in the offspring?
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I'm curious about that, too. I'm not going for super black pastels until next season. Would love to hear more about this by then.

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Give it to my grandson for a pet, if I have several to give away I have several friends that would love one to play with.
I know the risk ahead of time and am willing to accept the fact I could produce duckbills that are not going to be in high demand and that I might have to just give them away to people I know won't breed them.
I can't control the snakes beyond that except to not do that breeding again.
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I didn't realize that you had grandkids. I was starting to feel like an old fart amongst mostly kids around here!! :rofl:

But I have to agree that until proven that it's not a genetic trait (like ringers or paradox), I wouldn't breed it. While I would not spend money on any animal that is not perfect (as much as nature allows), I would probably keep one that I produced as a pet. I'm still hesitant to give it to anyone else, even if I was sure that they would never breed it. If they became tired of it, there's no telling what the next person might do with it.
 
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Personally the duck bill has always kind of bothered me but I'm a but if I make it to guy.

I have a lot of questions about this topic as one of my main focuses is super black pastel ghost. I would love to know if there is less of a chance of duckbilling in say cinny x black. (I'm not a cinny fan myself but for the better of the animals I would certainly make a compromise). How about strong out-crosses no inbreeding at all get the parents as far unrelated as possible. It seems to me they are a little less conman that they were when they were first being produced 5-6 years ago or longer and i wonder if this has anything to do with any of these factors. I'm sure early on there was probably more inbreeding going on do to less animals to work with.

I also have slowed my thought process on the super black as I might try to work on something else going for a all black or almost all black ghost morph the crosses have not been done yet that I'm aware of and If I can pick up a crucial male this year I should be on the fast track.
 
holtzinger76 said:
Personally the duck bill has always kind of bothered me but I'm a but if I make it to guy.

I have a lot of questions about this topic as one of my main focuses is super black pastel ghost. I would love to know if there is less of a chance of duckbilling in say cinny x black. (I'm not a cinny fan myself but for the better of the animals I would certainly make a compromise). How about strong out-crosses no inbreeding at all get the parents as far unrelated as possible. It seems to me they are a little less conman that they were when they were first being produced 5-6 years ago or longer and i wonder if this has anything to do with any of these factors. I'm sure early on there was probably more inbreeding going on do to less animals to work with.

I also have slowed my thought process on the super black as I might try to work on something else going for a all black or almost all black ghost morph the crosses have not been done yet that I'm aware of and If I can pick up a crucial male this year I should be on the fast track.
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The problem (as I see it) is that so much breeding has been done with the morph in question, that if it is a genetic deformity there is no way to tell now and it's possible (if it's genetic) that even a normal can have one of the "suspected" genes of a parent

Also, the fact that I have seen the deformity in other normals and morphs may bear this out, or point to an outside factor influencing the development of the embyro.

My advice is: If you are going to run a Rescue, do so, but if you want to breed Ball Pythons, be prepared to CULL. :shrug01: I had to find a seller/breeder for my Super Pastel who kept such good records that I KNOW that the animal I purchased has no Spider or Cinny "taint" in it. :thumbsup:
 
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