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Ed Braaten (Thomison) Flying W Reptiles

One of Eds emails I was sent from Jody. I am still waiting to see if I can get each one individually so the date and time are present on each one, instead of just one date at the top.

Crooked Ed said:
Jody (if thats your real name),

I am not going to call names or play your game. You have some real issues that you need to work out in your life. I was in bed sick with a sinus infection all weekend and just now checked my messages. The threats on my life was really strange. I am sure you have your problems, as I do. But you need to talk to someone. I played the messages you left for me for Deputy Gurley tonight and he was amazed. Anyway. Maybe we can work a deal again someday. I was even ready to try to help you today, but when you threatened me...everything changed for me. Threats on my life or my families life are not ok. First off...I filed charges against you today, It doesnt matter anyway...its only a misdemeaner, against you and it doesnt matter to me, Its your problem for threatenting my life, you just cant come back to Kansas again without getting arrested. I am sure you have had hard times, as we all have, but dont take it out on me. Second. you screwed me on kingsnake. You didnt have to do that. But you did. Maybe you can make that right, but i doubt it because of your personality. I will send them all the voice mails you left telling me you were going to kill me, if that is what it takes. Have a good life...A litte bit of advice, Live right and life will treat you right. Think about that.

later tater.
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I don't know about you guys, but to me, if Ed didn't in fact owe the money, why would he be "trying to help" Jody? He'd be telling Jody to get stuffed because the transaction was completed. Pretty obvious to me anyway, that Ed just plain ripped the dude off.

Ed, quit playing games you little thieving SOB and pay the man, or send his Mojave back to him. You are not as slick as you seem to think you are, and a whole lot less smart as well. If my untrained eye can pick that tid bit out in a heartbeat, you think a professional Judge, with years of dealing with slime like you won't see it too?
 
Agreed

As to a question posed earlier, the phone calls were made on the 17th of September.

Other than the initial threatening calls, I have made no other threats nor will I.

I am smart enough to learn from my mistake.
 
Legitimate attempts to collect a debt are perfectly legal. Threatening one's life is not. Every scumbag hauled into civil court tries to play the "harassment" card.

While I agree that Jody's threats (have not heard any of the messages personally, but I get the gist) were over the top, I do understand his frustration.
 
Jody, I say to initiate a small claims in a KANSAS court based on the info in the emails, and dates of phones calls, monetary records for a total cost. If the thieving little twerp wants to try to bring the threats into it, (not saying they were right, or justified) I believe the judge would dismiss them as not being related to the money owed. It's not an excuse to NOT pay what you owe. Small claims will be interested ONLY in the facts of the money that is owed. Threats are not a civil matter, but a criminal one.

I'll bet a Boa Constrictor Jody will win the case. Even with the evidence of threats.
 
I would love to have a boa

A good scolding is probably a guarantee from a judge, but I agree that it probably won't change the fact of the money owed. I would rather pay for the snake to be shipped back at my charge than to have to continue with the small claims court.

Would anyone be willing to accept the snake if Ed shipped it to them? I would then send the money to the receiving party to forward to Ed and pay them to ship the snake to me.
 
If Ed is willing, I will accept the snake, and forward the moneys to him when the I receive the snake. He can PM or email me if he is willing, and I'll give him my address.

But I really need to quit being so nice.
 
Ok, I think we can all see where this is going. Ed (whatever his last name is) is a ripoff artist. He ripped off the wrong guy. Do I blame Ed for being stupid? Yes, I do. Ed, is a stupid sob who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.
 
Hopefully Ed hasn't sold off his snakes and related items of value and now finds himself painted into a corner with no money and no Mojave. It would be best if he would just come out and lay his cards on the table so this situation ends in a way that both parties can live with. Dodging, sneaking and lying will just make the situation worse.
 
Ed

If it is the case that you no longer have the snake or the money to pay immediately, I will take two payments of $250 and a final payment of $200. Let me know if you need different payment arrangements, but I think this has gone on long enough and needs to be finished ASAP.

You can mail payments to:

Jody Barnes
511 #1 N. Essex
Lubbock, TX 70416

806-773-6643 if you have any other questions.
 
Jody you might want to get the guy talking before you start throwing out payment plans.. I have the feeling he has jumped ahead to the last chapter of the book Scammer 101 where it states "If all else fails run away and hide your sorry ass"
But in this hobby that is really hard to do, heck moving across country and changing your name doesn't help just ask Damon about his bid to change his name and start HEH.. Randy
 
Mr. Mackey brings an interesting point to mind.
Saying that (A) Mr. Braaten does owe Mr. Barnes something still, (B) he has decided he is no longer interested in this hobby, and (C) he has a restraining order out that prevents Mr. Barnes from approaching him without being arrested.
What possible motivation/incentive does he have to come back to the table and talk? He is sitting in the drivers seat.
If he were to decide to get rid of everything he has there are millions of people who have never heard of the BOI and will never read this thread to whom he could sell his remaining incubators and snakes. There are also quite a number out there who have experienced the BOI and did not like what they found who might be inclined to purchase from him.
 
Good point John. That's why I say for Jody to start the civil suite. Ed has already shown his lack of willingness to pay, or even respond to reasonable offers made to end this fiasco. He seems to think that he has won already.
 
crotalusadamanteus said:
That's why I say for Jody to start the civil suite.
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In this thread Mr. Bratten has also expressed his wishes that it be taken to that point. Though I really hate to see it take that path it seems clear that an impass has been reached. Small Claims Court seems to be the only real door left open unless Mr. Braaten is still in communication with someone we are not aware of.
 
Ugh, Just looked it up on the Kansas Bar Association website and collection is not necessarily guaranteed in Kansas.
"Collecting Your Money or Property
Even if you win your case in small claims court, neither the court nor the clerk’s office can guarantee you will collect your money. Judges and court officials are not responsible for collection of the money. The job of court personnel is to process cases. They cannot give you legal advice. Once the judge has announced a decision in a case, the small claims court procedure is finished. It is up to you to collect what is owed if you win. You may have to seek an attorney’s assistance to collect the debt. If you lose, and you do not file an appeal, the plaintiff receives a “judgment” that entitles the plaintiff to collect money from the defendant. Appeals usually cost money, since they involve payment for another filing fee, legal advice from an attorney, and other costs.

If you win the case and receive a judgment, you are the judgment creditor. The loser of the case is the judgment debtor. The clerk of the district court will give the judgment creditor a “Judgment Debtor’s Statement of Assets” form. This form is to be used to help in the collection of the judgment. Petitions to garnish wages or bank accounts or attach other property may be filed.

If there is no appeal or you prevail on appeal, and the losing party has not paid the amount owed, the judgment creditor is required to do the following within 15 days.

1. Mail a copy of the Judgment Form or Journal Entry of Judgment and the blank form, Judgment Debtor’s Statement of Assets, to the loser (judgment debtor).
2. File proof of mailing with the clerk of the district court.

The judgment debtor has 30 days to either pay the judgment or complete the form, Judgment Debtor’s Statement of Assets, and return it to the clerk of the court, who will in turn send it to you, the judgment creditor. "
http://www.ksbar.org/public/public_resources/pamphlets/small_claims_court.shtml#15
 
That sounds similar to Michigan Law. I once won a small claims court judgement against a landlord for not returning a security deposit. It was up to me to collect it. I figured out someone that he did business with and would likely pay with a check. I asked this person if I could see the check to get the checking account #. I then went to the court and obtained a writ of garnishment by showing my judgement order. I took that to his bank and gave it to them.When the next transaction was made on his account my money came out first. You can give a writ of judgement to a known employer also. This may or may not end up being relevant in this case but somebody may find this to be useful.
 
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