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ED Clark (BAD GUY!!)

I've read through this thread a couple of times and other than being overly accommodating I can't find where Mr. Clark has done anything wrong this time. The animals seem to be what was advertised and Mr. Clack was more than accommodating by offering a freebee just to make the customer happy. Both look quite healthy as well.
Were it me, I would suggest that Ms. Diaz ship the animals back as they were shipped to her, on her dime since no error was committed, refund her purchase price and add her to my no sell list.
 
Medusa Serpents said:
(Short version) Mr Kimmel, I am far from ignorant, you pick the right place to post about the low life piece of garbage you are in the real world, and I will be happy to take it anywhere you want.but I promise that anywhere you want to take it won't be only you going down ( beware of who you open up to ) A respected member sold you down the river along, with alot of others.
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This thread is not about Chuck. Take your issue with him somewhere else and keep this thread on topic.
 
Medusa Serpents said:
(Short version) Mr Kimmel, I am far from ignorant, you pick the right place to post about the low life piece of garbage you are in the real world, and I will be happy to take it anywhere you want.but I promise that anywhere you want to take it won't be only you going down ( beware of who you open up to ) A respected member sold you down the river along, with alot of others.
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3 day vacation for the PM. Again, your issue with Chuck belongs in a seperate thread.
 
diffgeckos.jpg

Those dorsal patterns look very similar, but different to me.
JMO
 
Then put periods in your left hand panel as it's junior to me without them.

As for my prior experiences.....do a search and you will not only see my issues with Ed but many others. I got better things to do then handfeed someone who won't take the time to do the search themselves.

Griz

compoundB said:
its J.R., not junior.

It only takes a second to look at the comparison photo she provided.
have you had any personal experience with Ed, Griz? if so could you tell us what happened?
thanks.
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compoundB said:
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Those dorsal patterns look very similar, but different to me.
JMO
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I maintain a reasonably sized colony of cresteds and I would have to I agree. Cresteds may change their colors many times over the course of the day due to environmental factors, however the dorsal pattern on "cream-backed" morphs does not change when the animal is not fired-up. The pattern should look exactly the same if these are pictures representing the same animal. Judging those pictures alone there seems to be subtle differences between the two.

I think it was also pointed out that the "white dots" or "port holes" on the sides of the animals in those pictures are different too. In fact in the first image the gecko seems to be lacking them. This is another trait that should not disappear or change, even when the animal is not fired-up at it's best.
 
Griz said:
Then put periods in your left hand panel as it's junior to me without them.

As for my prior experiences.....do a search and you will not only see my issues with Ed but many others. I got better things to do then handfeed someone who won't take the time to do the search themselves.

Griz
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You didn't even take the time to look at the pictures were all discussing.
They were right in front of you.
Should i hand feed them to you?
 
I have a decent size crested gecko collection as well with several reds in it and although the actual red color may change from bright red to a light pink, grey etc... the cream does not disappear. When you see a harley not fired up you can still tell it is a harley. In my opinion that female although similar is not the same female he had listed.
Here is an example of one of my red males fired up
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Here is an example of him not fired up
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Although much lighter you can clearly see his side and dorsal markings do not disappear as they have with Ed's female.
 
compoundB said:
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Those dorsal patterns look very similar, but different to me.
JMO
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Not only that but you see one small dalmation spot on the top gecko that does not appear in the second gecko and the bright white spots on Ed's pic should still be very visiable on the second pic as white spots other wise known as port holes. Those do not disappear when they are not fired up they stay white.
 
The more I compare the pics the more I am 100% sure they are in no way the same gecko. One is a flame and one is more a harley.
 
compoundB said:
You didn't even take the time to look at the pictures were all discussing.
They were right in front of you.
Should i hand feed them to you?
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Yo John. You did great by adding your full name to your signature line, but please take it to PM if you want to continue arguing with Griz.
 
I just gave them a comparison check...don't look at the colors, look at the patterns. The two photos of the female have the same pattern on their back and tail. Those patterns must be pretty unique, so I'm going to say I think it's the same female. Even I know cresteds change colors in different conditions and moods. I don't know what Ed Clark might have done in the past, but he sold me a beautiful Mojo ball python last year before I read all of that, and the snake's doing fine. In fact, he's just had an annual vet checkup, and will have a fecal done as soon as he produces a sample for me (just doing the annual random pick from the collection for testing).
 
Donna look at the females again. First off you can't see enough of the tails to really compare them. Second there is way more yellowish/cream in Ed's female pic than in the OP's pic of the female. Specifically look at the head. I have never seen a crested that is not fired up lose the yellowish cream on it's head or dorsal, it may be lighter but it is still evident.
 
The neck area and the head of Ed's photo are filled in where there is big holes of color in the OP's photo. Like I said that doesn't disappear. Oh and Go Cornhuskers.
 
Dennis Hultman said:
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Hey Bill

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Frank Majeski
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Now it makes sense! DEAD BEAT BILL. BILL "BOX HOLE BOA" LEVERTON.

I thought he was dying or something to that effect from last I heard. Or maybe I was just reflecting what I wished would happen to him.

Anyway....thanks Dennis! Back on track.
 
To the untrained eye those 2 pics do look like 2 different Geckos, can the cram portion of patterning change "shape" as it appears to do in the pics? One girl has huge areas of cream while the other doesn't have as much. They are beautiful none the less. Very fragile looking!
 
I've been keeping cream-backed cresties for only two years, but I am 99% sure that the cream markings (as seen on the sides of the gecko) do not just go away, and small areas of cream dorsal areas do not just go missing.

Yes, the gecko's main body may go from red to brown. Or from olive to black. Or from yellow to tan. But those cream markings are a "stuck" pattern that don't change (or at least, do not disappear) once the gecko reaches adulthood. I have a cream female who has a skull-shaped pattern on her back and it never changes; it doesn't lessen, it doesn't get brighter, bits of it don't disappear, and it doesn't darken, whether the non-cream skin around it is fired up or not.

Cresties may gain more cream as they age from hatch to adulthood, but you more than likely will not see changes in the cream after that, especially over a matter of a couple of months.

To those of you who are still doubtful, if the extreme difference in the side markings are not enough proof, please look again at the photos in the area marked with a blue arrow. There is a notch missing from the area on the top gecko that is not missing from the original photo. In my experience, areas of cream do not just get up and walk away. Short of being scarred off in a fight or something, that notch should be in both pictures.

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WingedWolf: That _type_ of pattern, broken pinstriping, is pretty common now that pinstriping is so hot with cresties. Pinstripe parents kick out imperfect pinstripes and they are generally sold for less than a full pinner. It is not terribly unique anymore. They do look similar. Not the same.

I cannot say whether Ed accidentally sent the wrong gecko or did it on purpose, or if the OP is trying to pull something funny. But those pics are not of the same gecko. The male seems to be the same, no question. The female is not.
 
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