Bad Guy ED CLARK... BUYERS and WHOLESALERS BEWARE..

[crotalusadamanteus]

I personally think Ed does no Breeding Now and "Just Flips Animals" for a Living!

Nah. Ya think?

 

[ReptileJay]

I personally think Ed does no Breeding Now and "Just Flips Animals" for a Living!

I'm pretty sure at this point that has already been accepted as reality...

Granted, I'm sure he ends up producing SOMETHING from time to time... but I highly doubt 95% of what he claims is HIS (or that he has produced) is legitimately produced by himself.

It seems EXACTLY Ed's style to take the credit for something that someone else did...

 

[Ed Clark]

This dragon seems to be in question?

Here are the facts, everything I said about tom clarke is true...no games what so ever.

The hypo trans was bought for Nicole From tom clarke. I actually told him where it was going. I delivered it to her shortly after picking it up at toms in glen burnie,md. Nicole complained it was a poor feeder and was sick. eventually it died so I asked her to put in freezer then a few days later I asked her to take a pic for me of the dead hypo trans.

I have had other hypo trans die from the batch I bought from him that he bought from Rob Dachiu. tom is the only person I have bought hypo trans from ever.

tom said he would replace the dead dragons and that it was not his fault as they came from Rob D

toms word has proven to be worthless and the dragons he is selling are crap for the most part.

This is the pic of the dead hypo trans Nicole sent me.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

Is that Dragon the same one as this one?

 

[dragonluver83]

This dragon seems to be in question?

Here are the facts, everything I said about tom clarke is true...no games what so ever.

The hypo trans was bought for Nicole From tom clarke. I actually told him where it was going. I delivered it to her shortly after picking it up at toms in glen burnie,md. Nicole complained it was a poor feeder and was sick. eventually it died so I asked her to put in freezer then a few days later I asked her to take a pic for me of the dead hypo trans.

I have had other hypo trans die from the batch I bought from him that he bought from Rob Dachiu. tom is the only person I have bought hypo trans from ever.

tom said he would replace the dead dragons and that it was not his fault as they came from Rob D

toms word has proven to be worthless and the dragons he is selling are crap for the most part.

This is the pic of the dead hypo trans Nicole sent me.

So the hypo trans i sold you in April of 09' that you traded/gave/sold to nicole, That later died 6 months after your purchase. THEN you tried slandering my good name by getting the picture from nicole 8 months after time of purchase, to post a pic of a dead dragon that has been already passed to someone elses hands.
I breed many nice dragons, and produce some nice looking babies. Most of my breeder's are Dachiu lines. I have personally bought GREAT animals from them and i have the most luck with there animals. As far as health, color, and how well there animals are thriving and breed as adults.
You must know this because you BEG Chuck to get you animals from them. Just like those two hypo ita leatherbacks. You BOUGHT from Chuck and are trying to claim ownership too. Those are NOT your animals! So in the ad please stop saying "MY" ita. leathers can be traced to italy. Those leatherbacks your selling can be traced back to italy but not from you. YOUR the third person who's hands those dragons touched, and after a few days they will be tainted like the rest of your collection.
I am also the reason why your order of FIVE hypo ita leathers got cut down to TWO. GUESS what your next order will look like?
Yes i do buy from the Dachiu's, are you jealous? You always seem to bring up there name in our threads, Saying "im buying and selling" or " enjoy your dinner with Rob and Vicki". IF you were a BETTER person you would probly be able to do first hand buss. with them. BUT since you are the person you are. They dont even "want you in there home". That's why you have to go threw someone else to get the animals you flip.

I attached a photo of the "red hypo ita leatherback" that ed is selling. BUT its in my possession. HOW is this possible? I found out who, what, and where ed was getting his dragons from and picked up a few that he was getting so when he claimed those animals to be his i would be right there with PICTURED proof to shut him down. AS you can see, i have taken a picture of the dragon next to my phone with time and date. then i attached a photo of the length. RIGHT on cue, huh?
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175564

ed , for the crap you have tried to put me threw, I will make sure your b.s. dont stand anymore.(along with others i am sure) Every time you step out of line I will be there to call you out and put you back in line, until you straighten or till your gone. Personally i hope its till your gone.

 

[Ed Clark]

Is that Dragon the same one as this one?

Nop different dragon.

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

So Ed, what do you have to say in response to Tom Clarkes post # 285?

Why do you have to go through other brokers to purchase dragons from Rob & Vickie Dachiu?

 

[StrictlyExotics]

First of all, no offense Tom as you already know how I feel about you.

Ed, in other words, lets take what you say as fact, for once. So you buy and resell Toms crap then right? Why not mulch them and sell fertilizer then since that seems to be all that you have been giving us.

 

[dragonluver83]

First of all, no offense Tom as you already know how I feel about you.

Ed, in other words, lets take what you say as fact, for once. So you buy and resell Toms crap then right? Why not mulch them and sell fertilizer then since that seems to be all that you have been giving us.

None taken, i know where you were going.
Not only did he buy and re-sell when he CLAIMED to have a problem, he wanted replacements not his money back.

I know if i buy animals from someone and they were dying like stuff from ed, i would want a cash refund not more animals.

 

[StrictlyExotics]

None taken, i know where you were going.
Not only did he buy and re-sell when he CLAIMED to have a problem, he wanted replacements not his money back.

I know if i buy animals from someone and they were dying like stuff from ed, i would want a cash refund not more animals.

Exactly... If I bought crap from Ed and they died or what have you... I would want my money back, NOT more crap.

 

[DAND]

None taken, i know where you were going.
Not only did he buy and re-sell when he CLAIMED to have a problem, he wanted replacements not his money back.

I know if i buy animals from someone and they were dying like stuff from ed, i would want a cash refund not more animals.

Tom,

Could you tell us how many times Ed purchased "crap" from you?

 

[dragonluver83]

Tom,

Could you tell us how many times Ed purchased "crap" from you?

Ed found me at a reptile show in april of 09' i got on fauna in may of 09' and became more active in july of 09'. ed would come here and get animals from me once a month.(from May) twice in july ( I think). he would buy atleast 2 - 2 1/2 dozen dragons. different bloodlines from normals, smoothies, leatherbacks, trans leatherbacks, hypo leatherbacks. His first trans leatherback he posted was from me, last...... july or aug? We never had a problem until i spoke up and posted on nicoles thread. ed called me and asked me not to get into it. I told him tell her to stop this b.s. (the justin lloyd thread). AND since then we have been on the outs. Our last transaction we had was in september. Thats when ed took 2 months to pay me the rest of his debt.

 

[DAND]

Ed found me at a reptile show in april of 09' i got on fauna in may of 09' and became more active in july of 09'. ed would come here and get animals from me once a month.(from May) twice in july ( I think). he would buy atleast 2 - 2 1/2 dozen dragons. different bloodlines from normals, smoothies, leatherbacks, trans leatherbacks, hypo leatherbacks. His first trans leatherback he posted was from me, last...... july or aug? We never had a problem until i spoke up and posted on nicoles thread. ed called me and asked me not to get into it. I told him tell her to stop this b.s. (the justin lloyd thread). AND since then we have been on the outs. Our last transaction we had was in september. Thats when ed took 2 months to pay me the rest of his debt.

So, Ed is either A.) a complete and total idiot to continue to buy "crap" from you over and over again or B.) he is a liar. Which is it Ed?

 

[dragonluver83]

So, Ed is either A.) a complete and total idiot to continue to buy "crap" from you over and over again or B.) he is a liar. Which is it Ed?

Not only did he keep buying, but 3 months after our last transaction, is first word of any problem. He was mad i was speaking up and wanted revenge.
He wanted more animals for replacements. why would he want more " sick dragons"?

 

[DAND]

Not only did he keep buying, but 3 months after our last transaction, is first word of any problem. He was mad i was speaking up and wanted revenge.
He wanted more animals for replacements. why would he want more " sick dragons"?

You know, Ed's story is starting to sound a little fishy now that you mention it.

 

[LauraB]

We all know Tom Clarke did not sell Ed a bunch of sick dragons and then wanted more to replace them. It's just frickin common sense. A professional breeder/vendor would know it and not practice it.

We all know that Tom Clarke is not the bad guy in ANY of this. Okay, if not "we all", then anyone with a modicum of intelligence does ... which likely is "we all", minus a couple or three.

It's all getting old and way over-dramatized and just stacking lie upon lie upon lie upon lie ... repetive photo upon repetitive photo and on and on and on (just like this sentence, lol).

Both of them are liars, both of them (Ed and Nicole) will twist and turn and ignore and convolute and deny and fabricate and fake and invent an answer for every question, every piece of evidence offered and every opposing opinion or view.

They both seem to thrive on the attention, they both seem to think they're smarter than everyone else, they both seem to believe that they are above reproach, above common decency and above professional honor, honesty and standards. They both exhibit very immature attitudes and behaviors.

They both exhibit absolutely no customer service skills or customer managment abilities.

They both seem to believe everyone else suffers from amnesia and cannot remember what they said/posted in previous posts or threads. Duh.

Perhaps if the rest of us (myself included) just quit giving them the attention they so appear to desire, they will both shut up and we will be spared any further intellectual insults from either of them.
Frankly, I find them both boring, dishonorable and not worth any further attention.

No matter what is said or debated or offered as proof to their claims, there is no way to get past certain minds that are too closed or too clouded or too screwed up to change, or that can see/perceive it any other way but their own perverted sense of honor and "truth".

Let's let them just shrink back to obscurity so they'll both be silent ... because in this case, their silence would truly be golden!

Mostly because we all know there will be more of the same crap in the future.

 

[LauraB]

"We all know getting old" = We all know it's getting old. Stupid old eyes.

 

[JudyC]

Perhaps if the rest of us (myself included) just quit giving them the attention they so appear to desire, they will both shut up and we will be spared any further intellectual insults from either of them.
Frankly, I find them both boring, dishonorable and not worth any further attention.

No matter what is said or debated or offered as proof to their claims, there is no way to get past certain minds that are too closed or too clouded or too screwed up to change, or that can see/perceive it any other way but their own perverted sense of honor and "truth".

Let's let them just shrink back to obscurity so they'll both be silent ... because in this case, their silence would truly be golden!

Beautifully written, Laura! And I agree with it all. But would like to discuss one point here. I DO believe it's true that no matter what anyone says here...no matter how many valid arguments are made, no matter what proof of lies is posted....neither Ed nor Nicole will ever change their minds or admit their wrongs.

And I agree that they probably thrive on the attention. It gives them a battle to fight and gives them a chance to feel smart and witty and clever....regardless of the fact that they come across looking like idiots to everyone else reading the thread.

But at the same time, they want threads like these to die. They lead us into circular arguments until everyone falls down exhausted and gives up. The threads sink into the depths of old BOI pages and they can once again make sales to the poor joes that don't know how to search beyond the first page or two of BOI listings.

So, to my way of thinking...even though they do seem to thrive on the attention and derive some sort of twisted feeling of achievement by never admitting what everyone else already knows...the longer we can keep these threads active, the greater the chance that newer members and customers will see them for what they really are, rather than flashy websites with nice pictures.

That's how I see it, anyhow.

 

[LauraB]

Thank you, Judy.

even though they do seem to thrive on the attention and derive some sort of twisted feeling of achievement by never admitting what everyone else already knows...the longer we can keep these threads active, the greater the chance that newer members and customers will see them for what they really are, rather than flashy websites with nice pictures.

I agree. Very good point

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

Ed, Are you going to apologize to Tom Clarke or are you not man enough?