Bad Guy ED CLARK... BUYERS and WHOLESALERS BEWARE..

[zzzdanz]

point taken Harald

 

[Ed Clark]

dragonluver83

Some animals live and thrive right and some dont. When it comes to husbandry skills Ed knows whats in the book and that may be it. But when a person goes around buying all these different animals to re-sell to you ( the buyer) you really dont know what or who's animals your buying. It could be a sick animal and because that person bought it and knows nothing about it, they may re-sell it not knowing the condition. Or re-sell it and let you worry about the vet bill. .
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This is one of toms posts on the BOI. he has always claimed that he produces what he sells. well we now know that most of what he sells comes from Rob Dachiu, Josh Dovenbarger and I know of at least another breeder from B more that he buys from.nothing wrong with buying to resell, unless your telling everyone they are yours.

He states in his post that some animals live....some die. that's exactly what happened to the dragons I bought from tom who picked them up from Rob a few hours earlier.

He questions my husbandry skills, I have been keeping and breeding Beardies since the 1980's.

I was 1 of the few people involved in the first red phase dragons to enter the United States.

Alot of you guys have rendered this thread useless with all the buddy buddy slamming, off topic posting, name calling and dragging people into this that do not belong here.

I can go on for days telling shady tom stories, whats the point? he is flipping many thousands of dollars of other peoples dragons then claims that he is producing them.

Like he says in the above quote. you really dont know what or who's animals your buying. I got the sick animals that he is talking about

 

[spyder79]

This is one of toms posts on the BOI. he has always claimed that he produces what he sells. well we now know that most of what he sells comes from Rob Dachiu, Josh Dovenbarger and I know of at least another breeder from B more that he buys from.nothing wrong with buying to resell, unless your telling everyone they are yours.

Wait just like you do Ed.

 

[garweft]

Ed, are you saying that he told you he produced the animals he sold to you?

If not then what are you talking about?

And I don't think that quote above says what you think it says..... He said you don't know enough about dragons to be able to determine if one is healthy enough to be sold or not..... Which might explain your guarantee of live arrival only.

 

[dragonluver83]

post you own e-mails and threads

This is one of toms posts on the BOI. he has always claimed that he produces what he sells. well we now know that most of what he sells comes from Rob Dachiu, Josh Dovenbarger and I know of at least another breeder from B more that he buys from.nothing wrong with buying to resell, unless your telling everyone they are yours.

Sorry Ed im not flipping like you are. and if an animal is sold that didnt come from me the buyer knows.

He states in his post that some animals live....some die. that's exactly what happened to the dragons I bought from tom who picked them up from Rob a few hours earlier.

how many times have i said, Im not replacing animals that you bought in july sold and made a profit from. and now claiming that they died. animals that were weak and never survived wouldn't grow from 5 1/2 inches to 10 -12 inches like the picture you posted..

He questions my husbandry skills, I have been keeping and breeding Beardies since the 1980's.

I dont question your husbandry skills, i know there outta wack, by that 10 12 inch dragon you posted that died. 12 inch animals just dont die off ed they die from improper care. As for doing it since the 80's, just because you been doing something for a long time doesnt mean you were doing it the right way. probly why your customers are having so many problems with so many different animals.

I was 1 of the few people involved in the first red phase dragons to enter the United States.

Being old and buying a red dragon doesnt make you "involved" in anything.

Alot of you guys have rendered this thread useless with all the buddy buddy slamming, off topic posting, name calling and dragging people into this that do not belong here.

Unfortunately for you Ed, most of the people that have come to my aid because of your ridiculous threads and post, were not my friends. But they seem to be now.

People that spoke up were people that know your business or know the right way to do business. All the proof i posted, you just proved to be full of

I can go on for days telling shady tom stories[/B], whats the point? he is flipping many thousands of dollars of other peoples dragons then claims that he is producing them.

Well when your right you are right. you can go on days with stories.To bad there just that stories. i have posted pictures proof of everything. You only pictured proof is of a 10-12 inch animal that died in your care casue lack of husbandry skills

Like he says in the above quote. you really dont know what or who's animals your buying. I got the sick animals that he is talking about

That's right Ed animals do die, but after 6 months how do you really blame the breeder.

 

[bad-one]

I don't know either party here. And Spyder with your above quote.

Your victim act is cute, but until you can post proof that disproves all dragonluver has been able to say and back up I can't believe a thing you say. Fact is though, I'm not holding my breath for that to happen lol

Besides, if he was really selling you weak dragons, I have no doubt you would have started a boi thread long before this or at least collected evidence and stopped doing business with him.

It's a shame too, this thread and those related to it guarantees I will never do business with you

 

[DAND]

ed is doing what ed does best.......

deflection

 

[dragonluver83]

Wait just like you do Ed.

Actually not like Ed does it.

A) i disclose the lines of the dragons that were sold.

B) I dont except credit for others animals.

C) Whether the animal was produced by me or bought. it comes with the same guarantee as the animals i produce.

See Ed here is where the problem is going to lie. (a word you know all to well) a buyer of yours takes the animal you sell them and breeds it to someone else's animal. come to find out you wholesaled that persons dragons that your buyer is trying to breed it to, and now it becomes a inbreeding problem. Then your buyer is gonna have alot of problems and there gonna want an explanation. This is my main concern, and why i dont lie about what i am selling or breeding. Also a great reason for you to disclose the lines of your animals bred or bought. in your case Ed bought.

 

[StrictlyExotics]

Ed, for the most part, I hope you know that I try to be fair and NOT give an opinion that is unreasonable. So, keeping that in mind, I have a few questions...

This is one of toms posts on the BOI. he has always claimed that he produces what he sells.

The dragons "in question", he in fact told you that he was picking them up from breeder "A" to resell to you right. So the above quote does not adhere to your dealings with him.

He states in his post that some animals live....some die. that's exactly what happened to the dragons I bought from tom who picked them up from Rob a few hours earlier.

Per his TOS, he doesnt guarantee anything in wholesale dealings. So, are you questioning the customer service of his TOS. I am confused here.

He questions my husbandry skills, I have been keeping and breeding Beardies since the 1980's.

I dont think that Tom is personally questioning your husbandry skills here. Its the validity of your bad guy post that is in question.

I was 1 of the few people involved in the first red phase dragons to enter the United States.

While this may be true, I do not know as I am not a beardie breeder. But I can say this much, I have heard of Daichu beardeds, Chris Allen Reds, etc... I havent heard of an Ed Clark one.

Alot of you guys have rendered this thread useless with all the buddy buddy slamming, off topic posting, name calling and dragging people into this that do not belong here.

Well, I agree that name calling is uncalled for and the tag teaming is not fair, so I wont resort to calling you names or have a partner to help my post. But, from what I witness, you do the same for Nicole as well. Now I understand that you are going to marry this girl so I applaud your chivalry but, in business, you are what you associate yourself with.

I can go on for days telling shady tom stories, whats the point? he is flipping many thousands of dollars of other peoples dragons then claims that he is producing them.

This is pretty much because it doesnt apply to your dealing with him in question. As for flipping beardies, isnt that what you do as well?

Like he says in the above quote. you really dont know what or who's animals your buying. I got the sick animals that he is talking about

Again, this may or may not be true, I do not know. You should provide the proof and if in fact to be true, you will now know where NOT to buy your wholesale dragons anymore. Not like this is an option anymore but hey... Chalk it up to a lesson learned.

 

[zzzdanz]

I'm not sure with where you come up with *Tom claims to produce all the dragons he sells*, and in fact I've already posted a PM from Tom telling me where he got a certain dragon.
I never asked him for that info. it was just told to me.

If in fact you have been breading dragons since the 80's Ed, I tip my hat to you...really I do.

But with no proof of any of your claims against Tom,and the fact that you where getting free animals (higher end animals) flipping those animals for a 100% profit and continued to do so for quite some time..Your claims are falling on deaf ears.

I'm not affiliated w/Tom in anyway, I just see a kid who loves what he's doing,backs his animals/claims with proof and produces some beautiful animals.And I sent him a PM saying so, that's it.
I will however probally go to Tom with some questions about beardies as I want to start building my collection.I'll most likely be buying from him as well after seeing his passion,care,and husbandry and wont be buying from you Ed.

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

ed is doing what ed does best.......

deflection

His deflection always shows a true reflection so no matter how hard he tries to deflect the attention off himself it always mirrors back to the bad guy the Ed is.

 

[capt._howdy]

His deflection always shows a true reflection so no matter how hard he tries to deflect the attention off himself it always mirrors back to the bad guy the Ed is.

this is true i loved how he brought your thread back up

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

His deflection always shows a true reflection so no matter how hard he tries to deflect the attention off himself it always mirrors back to the bad guy the Ed is.

this is true i loved how he brought your thread back up

Yea but at least I got to update ya's not that I wanted to make it public as my public defender told me not to discuss the case. Thanks Ed


The truth almost always comes out and the truth is Ed has and always will be a person/business to avoid at all cost!

 

[citruslover]

I keep reading this and think, did he produce any of the dragon's he's currently selling? Or has he ever produced any?

Should Tom be getting the praises on some of the picture threads that Ed had posted on, and furthermore, did Nicole take the pictures?

Jeff Crider

 

[zzzdanz]

this is true i loved how he brought your thread back up

Thats a typical Ed move right there! He has to try to kick someone else who is going thru some s@@@ to feel better about himself.

Trully sad behavior coming from a grown man

 

[deborahbroadus]

Now, you are working with all 4 burners...anytime Ed?Nicole posts in your threads or creates one in an attempt to retalitate..just focus on this one (his) and answer questions in THIS one. It will defeat his defection attempts!

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

Now, you are working with all 4 burners...anytime Ed?Nicole posts in your threads or creates one in an attempt to retalitate..just focus on this one (his) and answer questions in THIS one. It will defeat his defection attempts!

That's the same thing I told Tom.

Wow look at all the Bad Guy threads Ed has, http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/tags.php?tag=Ed+Clark

If they were all revived at once it will fill the whole front page of the BOI

 

[Southern Wolf]

Thomas... how many orders has Ed had with you?

 

[SPJ]

did he produce any of the dragon's he's currently selling? Or has he ever produced any?
Jeff Crider

The only dragon breeder still selling to Ed is Nicole. He hasn't produced his own. His BP's come from Ian. Again, he hasn't produced his own.

Ed, you are getting quite a reputation from what I am hearing in conversations with other people. Maybe it's time to stop burning bridges and screwing people over.

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

I can not believe anyone has had a good experience with you. Ed you have to be the most childish and vindictive human being on this site. You do not belong in this hobby in the least. I love how you are putting things on Tom that are actually a definition of how you do business. Get a life and a new hobby man or maybe learn how to deal with people in a way that is professional and cordial, then maybe you wouldn't have to lock every sale post you make (for fear of people posting links to all your boi posts in them)

I think with the amount of shady business Ed Clark has conducted over the years he should have earned a "Sticky" by now on top of the BOI board with links to all his threads. That would give some potential victims a heads up on whether or not they want to gamble their money away on digitally enhanced animals.


Ed people are still waiting for an answer on how many FREE DRAGONS was Tom nice enough to give you?