Ed Clark,don't buy frogs from him!

[deborahbroadus]

Below another ED Clark deception on the fat frog forum.

It is at the end of this thread.... I copied and pasted as my screen save does not work.

http://fatfrogs.7.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=7028


StevenBusch
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post
ed clark wrote:
Lars K wrote:
OK, first I decided to stay out of this:

But I guess it's time to say something!

Those can be all signs of the Chytrid Fungus


The test came back negative.




ED which test are you trying to mislead people about? Kelly's dead frogs chytrid test has NOT come back as it takes 4 to 6 weeks minimum. There are only a few labs that can do the test and they are backed up. That is my reason to have people just treat the animals they get instead of waiting.

Steven Busch
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ed clark
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:22 am Post subject:


You producing these frogs proves my theory!!

That even the sun shines on a horses ass every now and then.

So, Mr. ED, how's the sun feeling? Warm enough for you? ((couldn't resist)).

 

[Ed Clark]

So, Mr. ED, how's the sun feeling? Warm enough for you? ((couldn't resist)).

The sun at the Jersey shore was awesome today, spent a few hours at the beach surfing. that tropical storm produced some huge waves an we all were shreading them up!

Thanks for asking.

My comment about a negative test was said after reading someone posting that on this thread.....scroll back some and you will see where it is stated that the cf test came back negative.

 

[spawn]

Has anything significant happened/changed in the last 50 or so posts? This thread shot up to ~90 posts in no time and I'm too lazy to read where I left off. So excuse me if something has changed, but I looked at the first page again and realized something:

This is a terrible enclosure (permanent or quarantine) for a Whites Tree Frog. I can picture the frog maybe sticking to the top wall/artificial leaves for a couple seconds then slipping and falling and hitting its head on the dish or other furnishings on the bottom. Whites are heavy and probably the least skillful of arboreal frogs based on experience. Without any horizontal furnishings at the top, and the sides covered with narrow leaves, there's very little to grip at the top 60% of the tank's sides.

Something to think about for the OP. Change the furnishings at the top. I can't imagine the frog even comfortably sticking to the background either. Stick some cork bark or reptile hammocks in there:

 

[spawn]

*pages, not posts

 

[critical bill]

My comment about a negative test was said after reading someone posting that on this thread.....scroll back some and you will see where it is stated that the cf test came back negative.

A total exaggeration of the truth. Kelly said she wasn't going to bother posting the test results, but has since changed her mind it seems. Someone mentioned the reason she wouldn't post the results was likely because the test result was negative. Nice try there Edward.

Maybe next time we'll all get lucky and you'll drown in that rough surf. I hope a rip tide opens right up under that pathetic ass of yours. I'd certainly prefer you were gone from the human race all together rather than just the reptile business.

 

[SPJ]

I thought the Fed Ex driver I am having an issue with because of throwing my boxes up the stairs and when he sees one labeled as being a snake inside sends it back to the hub stating it is undeliverable due to my address not being valid was a tool......but you Ed.......you have proven once again with your arrogant comment about going to the beach and ignoring the questions raised in this thread are a bigger tool than that driver could ever be.

 

[lanceheads]

A total exaggeration of the truth. Kelly said she wasn't going to bother posting the test results, but has since changed her mind it seems. Someone mentioned the reason she wouldn't post the results was likely because the test result was negative. Nice try there Edward.

Maybe next time we'll all get lucky and you'll drown in that rough surf. I hope a rip tide opens right up under that pathetic ass of yours. I'd certainly prefer you were gone from the human race all together rather than just the reptile business.

Chuck,
Wishing someone was dead again?
I'm glad everyone here likes you and wishes no harm to you, you moron!

Randal

 

[critical bill]

Chuck,
Wishing someone was dead again?
I'm glad everyone here likes you and wishes no harm to you, you moron!

Randal

Join him on the road to the beyond and I'm twice as happy.

 

[lanceheads]

Figured you say as much.
Your getting predictable Chuck.

 

[K412]

Spawn, thank you for the advice. I have purchased a 20g for the new whites baby since my corn is very happy in there.
I will switch them out though.
Mr. Busch, as a pioneer of the chytrid treatment is treating this one for me before sending it to me.
This time I will not mist the tank right before putting a frog in there. I will just make sure the paper towels are lightly misted and be VERY careful with the water dish and not spill it again.
I knew that they were good jumpers and have talked to people on thefrog who say that their whites smack the glass hard when chasing crickets. I know now that if they fall or are weak it's because they are sick, I didn't say that she did fall though.
Thanks for the advice on the background as well.
Ed told me it was fine and listening to him was just a mistake I know all too well.
Ed, posting on fatfrogs that the test was negative without seeing it directly from me, since I am the one who will get those results shows that you aren't paying attention to detail. It is my opinion that you also did it to try and keep those kids there believing that you are someone to listen to and know that they aren't wise to your game and will be buying your frogs, some of the only ones from what I have seen here, with your special new guarantee. It's also my opinion that you changed your guarantee because you have seen signs of lethargy and illness in the rest of them and need to blame the sudden deaths on the buyer.
I really feel for the frogs in your care.

 

[critical bill]

Figured you say as much.
Your getting predictable Chuck.

Does this thread have your name or my name on it? Try and keep it on topic.

 

[lanceheads]

oop's sorry! Didn't know you were the moderator!

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

So how about it Ed. You gonna offer up any proof of any of your animals being tested? Just something dated 2008 will do, even if it's January.

Come on Ed, show us that you test your animals like you claim. Prove me wrong. Or is that little kick in the shin the best you're gonna provide?

 

[critical bill]

oop's sorry! Didn't know you were the moderator!

You know I'm not, but do I really need to be a moderator to tell you what you should already know? Keep your frustration in check and try to keep it on topic.

Thanks in advance for the extra effort, old timer.

 

[Goblinmatt]

The focus should have been on:

1. Ed sent out one frog that he had to replace because it was shipped improperly and suffered a dislocated limb (he shipped the replacement without a question because it was clear that he was at fault and not out of the goodness of his heart).

Dont know if this is refering to me, but I dont think it was shipped improperly at all. If anything I thought it was above average.

What are some normal frog shipping techniques?

 

[K412]

ed clark
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject:

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Larger pyxies have no problem eating lizards, to be on the safe side do regular fecal exams.



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This is a quote from fatfrogs. If he is recommending regular fecals than perhaps he does them on the frogs that he feeds savannahs and BP juvies to. He looks to be recommending vet assistance here.
But then again....
ed clark
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject:

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Looks real bad, tought decision:

Heres a couple options, take to a vet and get charged possibly a couple hundred bucks and it still may die.

Put it in the freezer and spend $25.00 on another albino.

But first clean that tank out real good with a bleach water mix, and wash it it out with clean water before you use it again.

This is his response to someone who has made a total of 16 posts on fatfrogs. Looks to be an open lesion or burn, hard to say, either way it looks as if his approach is to just buy another one and kill the one this person has. Going for more sales maybe? That is just a guess. This is the link to the thread that he posted it on.
http://fatfrogs.7.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?p=93809&highlight=#93809
This person has had this frog for 3 years. It's a very interesting thread and it seems like the keeper is genuinely concerned and wants to help this frog.

So what would you do if it were your frog Ed? Vet it or freeze it?

 

[deborahbroadus]

Ed, these are CHILDREN that you are advising.

I am aware that some people do not place the same value on animal lives that others do (some even view the reptiles that we consider pets as food). But consider for a minute, would you want someone telling your daughter to just kill off her sick animals because it's cheaper to buy more?

Is this honestly the kind of child that you would want to be raising? Don't you think that this devalues life?

 

[Ed Clark]

Ed, these are CHILDREN that you are advising.

I am aware that some people do not place the same value on animal lives that others do (some even view the reptiles that we consider pets as food). But consider for a minute, would you want someone telling your daughter to just kill off her sick animals because it's cheaper to buy more?

Is this honestly the kind of child that you would want to be raising? Don't you think that this devalues life?

Yes they are children, thats why I offered 2 options.

Think about how a child would come up with a couple hundred dollars to treat a sick frog that will probably die anyway?

Then what?

How does that child deal with loseing all that money and the pet frog also?

 

[K412]

Exactly my line of thought. I don't think that there are many keepers who consider their animals disposable. I totally understand that from a business perspective it would not be cost effective to have it put down by a vet , if that was required. It sounds like playing God. As stated I understand that common practices are different for every individual depending on personal experience and level of expertise.
I posted that because it shows his contradiction. In one case a fecal is not that expensive but if the animal has never been seen they want to do an exam, weigh it etc... It seems that if the vet is going to "cost more money than the pet" just killing it is an option.
While to some this is fine and to each his own but telling someone to just do it is careless.
I know that some think that I am a nutjob or Animal rights extremist but that isn't the case. I love my animals, yep. I vet them twice a year,yep.
My cranwell recently had a 65.00 trip to the vet due to a scratch and I am giving him baytril injections everyday alternating arms and keeping him in a hospital tank. I got him locally and for really cheap but I love his little soul!
The way that Ed is seen on fatfrogs makes me sick. For someone new to the forum to get that kind of advice from someone they project to be such a great person drives me nuts!
Fortunately when I read the post I saw Mr. Busch and other members responded differently so hopefully the "egg" won't think that's the norm.

 

[K412]

Ed, you offered 2 options to 2 different threads actually, here are both to refresh your memory.
http://fatfrogs.7.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?p=93809&highlight=#93809
Here's the one posted by underdogg133 where you say freeze it.
The one below is where you say to vet it for fecals and post a picture of one of your pyxies enjoying a meal.
http://fatfrogs.7.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?p=93809&highlight=#93809
Link posted that one and just wanted to know about feeding anoles.
So what was your point again?
Vet them or freeze them?