ed clark- liar, theif, bad guy- will you answer questions NOW?

[Suncoast Herpetological]

I would hope that everyone involved here can trust my word. Ed why don't you scan a few fecal reports from the time you said you'd had them done and email them to me. You have my word that I will not post them or show them to anyone else. I will look at them then make a post here about what you send me. This way you can at least lay that part of this to rest.. Randy

I have to say Ed that this sounds like a pretty good solution. I, personally, find this point to be the only one with any real meat to it. If you can show proof of a fecal or two from that time frame, the rest is pretty much just subjective crap.

Shoot the reports to Randy and put this thing to rest.

And Chuck, you threatening points to someone for posting off topic in a thread has got to be one of the funniest things I have ever seen in print. It's amazing your keyboard did not burst into flame as you were typing it.

 

[critical bill]

And Chuck, you threatening points to someone for posting off topic in a thread has got to be one of the funniest things I have ever seen in print. It's amazing your keyboard did not burst into flame as you were typing it.

I fail to see where I threatened him at all. I simply reminded Ed of the rules that he should already be familiar with, being that he is a moderator and in such an important position to enforce them.

Anyway, try and keep it on topic. This thread isn't about how funny I am and how I can make you laugh.

Whoa.....the keyboard just threw another spark.

 

[cookreptiles]

Cathy, there is no Gecko issue at all.

Emily did not misrepresent any of those geckos, I sent Daniel pics of the geckos and he liked them and payed for them and I shipped them.

I just wanted to quote this for the record, since Ed previously made some rather derogatory statements about the geckos he received from me. Thanks for finally confirming that there is/was no issue with the geckos I sent you Ed.

He received Morph Gecko's from Emily and sold them to Daniel who had issue's with them.

The geckos that Daniel had issues with were not geckos that Ed got from me. Daniel had problems with 2 adult geckos--I did not send Ed any adult geckos.

Emily, if you are reading, has Ed supplied convincing proof to YOU that he sent the right animals? If he has, by all means, let us know.

No. The only information or communication I have received from Ed is that which has been posted by him here on the BOI.

My point was she is a very good vet that knows herps and is not a back woods puppy/kittie cat vet from Georgie.

Not that a back woods puppy/kittie cat vet is a bad thing.

She does all her tests in office and does not have to send anything out.

A real pro, thats my point.

FYI, I do not live in backwoods Georgia. My vet specializes in reptiles and is quite good at what he does. He had me come back to his lab where he performs fecals when I brought the first snake in for testing so that he could show me each of the three kinds of parasites she had under the microscope.

I had my entire collection tested by him and brought in duplicates and even triplicates of fecals samples from some of my snakes to be sure the results were correct. They came back the same each and every time.

That said, the only person disrespecting anyone else's vet here is the very person who is using that as an excuse not to post his own fecal results.

 

[hhmoore]

Cathy, he is just trying to draw some eyes off of him. It is not going to work, everyone here can see that Ed is not being honest.

I also found this to be a good read about him:

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=47775&Ed+Clark

Regardless of the fact that that link is old news, it flat out contradicts your earlier accusation, Bobby.

This is not the first time you have been caught selling animals riddled with parasites, is that not the reason you were banned from BP.net?

Clearly you dislike Ed, but it seems that your fervor to demonstrate that is clouding your judgement a bit.

 

[shrap]

Clearly you dislike Ed, but it seems that your fervor to demonstrate that is clouding your judgement a bit.

Kinda like yours for Bobby, huh.

 

[varnyard]

Well Harald, would you like me to link you to where Ed had complaints there about animals he sold with the parasites?

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=44188&highlight=clark

Contradicts? I think not!!

 

[snakeman101172]

where are the copies of the fecals ? and to think I almost bought an Angolaon from you 6 months ago. I am glad I listened to a friend in Jersey. put up or shut up. you can say that people telling lies about you is old hat all you want, it DOES NOT CHANGE THE LACK OF FECALS !!!!!!! WHERE or WHERE are they. Take it to the bank neither I nor anyone I know will purchase from you if this is your response. As an adult member of society you have a responsibility for what you create. Imagine all the younger people starting out in this trade and seeing this as example of how to do business. Find a business you can earn a living at without having to duck, run, and be dishonest about.

 

[JudyC]

This is not the first time you have been caught selling animals riddled with parasites, is that not the reason you were banned from BP.net? And that case had nothing at all to do with these, however it is just more proof that you are a scumbag scammer.

I just want to clarify that Ed Clark was NOT banned from BP.net for being "caught selling animals riddled with parasites." The reasons for his ban were laid out clearly in the announcement linked to in post #179.

It is these sorts of presumptions, generalizations, and outright exaggerations that HURT your ability to prove Ed Clark (or anyone for that matter) is indeed a bad guy. Ed Clark provides all the truth you need by his own actions and inactions. By what he says and what he refuses to say. There is no need for these sorts of gross embelishments that give him fodder to shoot back at the messenger.

 

[hhmoore]

Well Harald, would you like me to link you to where Ed had complaints there about animals he sold with the parasites?

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=44188&highlight=clark

Contradicts? I think not!!

Bobby,
I appreciate the link. As you probably know, I do not frequent BP.net - but that situation, I believe, was mentioned in another BOI thread. If not, I had heard about it somewhere
I never said that Ed didn't have complaints, or that there hadn't been parasite issues at various times. What I said was that the notice (on BP.net) that you linked seemed to contradict your prior accusation that Ed was banned for being "caught selling animals riddled with parasites".

 

[hhmoore]

Thank you, Judy

 

[shrap]

Harald, I agree that Bobby used the wrong words as far as why Ed was banned from BP.net. But the gist of why he was banned once again reflected Ed's lack of character and eithics. Which is what Bobby's ultimate point was when bringing up Ed being banned from over there.

I am sure you knew that without it being explained to you though.

 

[varnyard]

Thanks Judy, I was mistaken, I am not a real active member there and was not involved with all of the details as to Ed's ban.

But I did remember reading that he had buyers there that were very unhappy with the deals they got from him. I also noticed Ed's lack to buck up and make things right, much like he is doing here. I thought that might of had something to do with his ban there, or at least played a part in that decision.

However, I do think you did the right thing by showing him the door. People like Ed have no business being in our hobby, with his money hungry scamming ways, and lack of morals.

 

[Tere Salazar]

What about all the lies you posted on the BOI about those bearded dragon folks that went on for days until you were finally outted?

You know what? I've read this post over and over, and held my tongue as long as humanly possible. I apologize for going off topic here, but I think something needs to be said. I have seen this thrown in Bobby's face so many times over the past year, and it's just not right.

Bobby made that situation right with the people who were actually involved in the situation within minutes of the learning the truth. Since the people who were involved in the situation have long since gotten over what happened, I, personally, would appreciate if everyone else could, as well.

I mean, honestly...it's not like Bobby's the ONLY person on this forum who's ever made a mistake, and I certainly don't think that you, Ed Clark, have ANY room to talk.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

No. The only information or communication I have received from Ed is that which has been posted by him here on the BOI.

Thanks Emily. I didn't think so, but had to ask.

Ed has answered all of the questions that were asked. He claims to have sent Emily female CBB Ball's that he produced as was their trade agreement.

Still believe what Ed had to say Robert? He hasn't even convinced his own customer yet. Nor has he convinced many others.
Not riding you either, but Ed is sneaky, and you just might not have caught on to that yet. Keep observing how he will continue to evade the one thing that would shut everyone up.


How about that offer that was made to you Ed. Seems like an acceptable way to end this thing.

 

[Junkyard]

Hey Ed,

What about keeping vet records? Having those can save you a huge deal of headaches like the one this thread is causing. You do NOT need to show the name of the vet, just a copy of the report stating the animals are healthy when they are tested. Is this too difficult to accomplished?

 

[SPJ]

You guys should know by now that you are not going to get Ed to answer anything about the testing. If he had test results, he would have posted them by now.

 

[RJK890]

I did not say that I believe or disbelieve the answers Ed gave, just that he had answered the questions. The only thing left for him to do would be to post the fecal test results, and only because he said he was going to. If he had them I'm sure he would have blacked out the info he wanted to keep confidential and posted them already.

Now if I purchase an animal from you, and 10 months later discover that I have parasites, should I threatened you to either inform all of your customers from that year that you have a tapeworm infestation in your collection or else I am going to expose you on the BOI?

If the seller was a popular member of a Fauna Clique instead of Ed Clark this would be a "Warning: Avoid Emily Cook" thread and y'all would be grilling her on her poor quarantine and parasite infested feeder colony. I believe there is a double standard here.

If Ed Clark has tapeworms and sells so many animals, where are all of the other customers who have received infested animals?

Emily, have you posted all of your fecal test results? I stopped following the other threads so I may have missed it. That would only prove that you do have tapeworms in your collection anyway, and I'm sure you do. The question is not if you have parasites, but where they came from. Did you have your rodents tested? Even if they tested clean, it is possible one of them could have eaten a dirty bug or wild rodent dropping that found its way into your feeder colony and been fed off before becoming widespread.

I am not taking Ed's side here, just showing the other side of the coin that nobody seems to want to look at. It is possible that Ed sent Emily WC Imports that were infested with tapeworms, but it is just as possible that Ed sent Emily perfectly healthy CBB animals that he produced himself. There is no way to prove it one way or the other.

 

[shrap]

Now if I purchase an animal from you, and 10 months later discover that I have parasites, should I threatened you to either inform all of your customers from that year that you have a tapeworm infestation in your collection or else I am going to expose you on the BOI?

Personally, I would be appreciative if a customer informed me there was a possibility that a snake I sent them had parasites. I get fecals done yearly, but that dont mean things cant pop up in between.

Now would I inform all my past customers? Only if any tests I had done came back positive. Then I most certainly would. But then again I only sell what I personally breed. I dont deal in imports and and I dont flip other peoples animals.

If the seller was a popular member of a Fauna Clique instead of Ed Clark this would be a "Warning: Avoid Emily Cook" thread and y'all would be grilling her on her poor quarantine and parasite infested feeder colony. I believe there is a double standard here.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I think it is crap. It aint that Ed possibly sent animals with parasites that people have a problem with. It was the way he handled the situation. Or how he completely ignored the situation I should say.

As I already said, I personally would want to know if I had an issue in my colony and I would want my customers to know as well if there was a problem. I certainly would not just blow the situation off.

If Ed Clark has tapeworms and sells so many animals, where are all of the other customers who have received infested animals?

One of two things here. Either they didnt come from Ed. Or they came from a limited amount of animals that Ed bought and quickly resold so there were only a few to begin with. Many people are cheap and dont take their animals to vets. We all know this. So there could have been more from the same lot, only people never had tests done and they eventually passed away long after Eds TOS.

But again, the parasites aint the issue. It was how Ed dealt with the situation.

 

[Cat_72]

Emily, have you posted all of your fecal test results? I stopped following the other threads so I may have missed it. That would only prove that you do have tapeworms in your collection anyway, and I'm sure you do.

Emily posted her results.

And Emily was given a pretty hard time at the beginning of that thread, it was Ed's behavior that turned many people's opinion. ALL of the arguments you are posting were widely discussed, and it was agreed at the time that there would never be a way to know for sure where the parasites came from, though I PERSONALLY feel that when the snakes from Ed were the only ones carrying them, it's pretty likely they came from him, but I do agree that there is no iron-clad way to prove it after so long.

Again, let me reiterate....IT WAS THE WAY ED HANDLED THE SITUATION that made him look bad. I'm not sure how many times folks have to repeat that before it's understood.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

Now if I purchase an animal from you, and 10 months later discover that I have parasites, should I threatened you to either inform all of your customers from that year that you have a tapeworm infestation in your collection or else I am going to expose you on the BOI?

I would hope that a customer would let me know if something like this happened. Even if it was 10 months later. Not saying exactly what the outcome would be, but it certainly wouldn't be me flat denying stuff, and refusing to do whatever it was I said I'd do. Or going and hiding my cowardly ass from all the heat. And i WOULD produce fecal exams to cover my butt.
And NO! Threatening me wouldn't be the smartest choice you could make. Especially if you were hoping for positive results.

If the seller was a popular member of a Fauna Clique instead of Ed Clark this would be a "Warning: Avoid Emily Cook" thread and y'all would be grilling her on her poor quarantine and parasite infested feeder colony. I believe there is a double standard here.

That's just plain bull crap, no matter how you slice it. There have been a few well established, and well liked fauna members who have been outed for there disregard to their customers. Some still in business, some not. And that really is what this is all about. Ed's disregard for his customer. :Yesnod:

Get all the facts before you make accusations. It just makes you look a whole lot smarter if nothing else.

I am not taking Ed's side here, just showing the other side of the coin that nobody seems to want to look at.

Not that we don't want to see the other side. It's been looked at plenty. It's more like, I personally, just don't believe it. Why? History. When someone develops a history of doing things that ride the fence of immorality, or ethics.......well, you get the idea. Sorta like the boy that cried wolf.


Speaking of HISTORY.....Ed, you gonna take Randy up on that offer and send him the results? Or is HISTORY going to repeat itself again?