Bad Guy Ed Clark - Scammer, Liar, and Sells Sick Dragons

[Jt80]

Oh lord.

 

[HowlinGaleDragons]

Well I am off to bed I have work tomorrow

Good Night

 

[StrictlyExotics]

You have lost many adult dragons in the past year since I have known you, you posted a sick adult female for sale $125.00 recently her name was Sweety.

You dont have the right to call names with the sickness running thru your collection yet you still keep pumping them full with anything you can think to save them. you even had the nerve to blame the manufacturer of a probiotic for killing your dragons.

Hmmm, anyone else see what I see here? Ed could this possibly be YOUR fault?

Utta,
Honestly I never thought I would have issues but sadly I was proven wrong about Ed and wish I would have listened much sooner than I did.

Nicole, at least people FINALLY got to you. You will defnitely learn from this. I saw this coming a mile away. From all of what we talked about, I think the biggest thing that you are guilty of is being NAIVE and manipulated by Ed himself. Recover woman and move on.

Oh come on! I've got a six pack of Heineken and don't have to get up early in the morning!

Send me one please

To those who I offended defending Ed in the past; I have seen the error in my ways Ed has deserved every BOI he has gotten and will get god knows they won't stop

I feel you all already know this but Ed will grasp any tiny string he can find he will lie and twist everything around to try to put blame some where else he will try to "Divert" the attention else where to save his face.

One thing I would appreciate from everyone is that this be handled in a professional manor I don't think anyone losing their cool and going off will do anyone any good. I will not Respond to Ed's post if anyone has questions for me that have to do with this BOI feel free to ask.

I would like to apologize to Tom Clarke for the bull that went on a while back; I went on Ed's word about you and should not have I should have stuck to my guns on Judging everyone for myself.

Nicole, very big of you to apologize, especially to Tom. I truly hope in the long run, you are sincere about this and can learn from your mistakes. We all go through problems, at times. Its how we resolve them that makes us a good, or bad, person to deal with in the end.

 

[Ed Clark]

Ed She looks healthy in the picture she better look like that on arrival; and yes she is my last link to Bow

After she arrives and looks healthy Prince will ship and after that I do not want you contacting me for any reason.

The pic is a few days old, what you see is what you get. I send her to you with no conditions other than you sending Prince back to me on the same day you receive her.

Do you agree to that?

I have no thoughts about contacting you in the future, the past year with you has been pure hell.

 

[Ed Clark]

Hit enter

Or pay the $150 in board I would prefer my female back so I know she will be safe with me

I will pay the $150.00 ransom to get my dragon back, do you agree to send him back on Monday?

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

Ed, Why is it every time a thread is erected with your name on it you erect a retaliatory thread? Wouldn’t it be simpler to defend yourself in the thread with your name stamped on it? Don’t you realize by now that these retaliatory threads work against you?

 

[Ed Clark]

Money to me? I don't go selling dragons for $1,000's and over breed them like you do you said yourself this is a business to you.

No offence but If I did this for money I would have gotten out of it a long time ago I work with dragons because I love them. You didn't even name your dragons until I got on your butt about it.

I never said it was a business to me because its not, its a hobby that I have always been passionate about.

You are all about the money you get from breeding large numbers with little or no regards to the health of your females or babies.

2 weeks you were offereing wholesale lots because you HAD to buy a new horse trailer. that was all about money.

This week you Had to sell wholesale lots of Dragons because you HAD to buy another horse and board it at another place away from home to hide it from your G parents.

This is a copy of an email responding to an offer of $25.00 dragons.she always says she is not about the money that its all about the love of the dragons. its far from that its ALL about the money and not paying what she owes others. she manages her money very irresponsible.

Thu, April 22, 2010 3:46:31 PM
Dragons
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From:
Ed Clark
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To: Nicole
I will pay you the prices you want for the 10 reds @$25.00 and 5 leucistics @35.0 and the offer of $10.00 off shipping.

Deduct the $185.00 from the total that you owe me for the 14 Leucistic babies I sent you in September 2009.

I will paypal you immediately. Love Eddie

 

[deborahbroadus]

((slaps thighs, guffaws.....and goes back to munching popcorn))

 

[Tito]

Shame on you!

Bearded dragons are beautiful creatures! I have been in the reptile trade for 15 years on and off, and I have seen some horrific things. I don't personally know any of the people involved in this thread, but I will say this, if there were animals mistreated, shame on you!! The Universe has a way of taking care of people who do ugly things, KARMA!!

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

I neither of you do this as a business then why is you purchase so many dragons? It's obvious it's all about the money when you'll purchase dragons for $25.00 and flip them for $100.00 - $200.00 ea That to me doesn't sound like a hobby not to even mention all the dragons that get neglected and dieat what you call is a hobby.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Bearded dragons are beautiful creatures! I have been in the reptile trade for 15 years on and off, and I have seen some horrific things. I don't personally know any of the people involved in this thread, but I will say this, if there were animals mistreated, shame on you!! The Universe has a way of taking care of people who do ugly things, KARMA!!

Exactly! All we need to do is stand back out of the way of any backlash!

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

The Universe has a way of taking care of people who do ugly things, KARMA!!

I agree

 

[garweft]

.... I never thought that Ed would scr#w me like he did....

 

[spyder79]

Nicole, the poor animals involved aside, you knew all along ed clark was a POS. The hundreds of folks that have bad experiences with him arent wrong he is a "money man" in the reptile world and thats it. Granted that alone doesnt make him a bad guy as many "breeders" buy large wholesale lots and flip em, what makes him a bad guy is his poor ethics and apparent sub-standard care practices. It is ashamed that this is all like it is but if he has claim to that animal in the end of the day you are in posession of it illegally. If there was no contract stating he was to pay any vet fees or care fees that popped up than you are in posession of basically a stolen animal.

Now that the business side of me has spoken.

I would not give him that dragon back for anything period. Cut ties and run as far from him as possible.

 

[HowlinGaleDragons]

Sorry it took so long to get back to everyone I worked today and had to go to the barn to take care of my horse.


Serpents Den,
I think you might have the wrong picture with me; I only bought one lot of dragons since I have been breeding dragons and that was Sept 2009 and that was because I do a reptile show ever year here locally it is the only one I attend due to how far they are away. I got a small group of Hypos and Hets from KP because at the time my own babies where only 2 weeks old and I will not sell dragons younger than 6 weeks for their safety. Unlike Ed Clark I am not in it for the money as I stated before if I was I would have got out of it along time ago because most of the dragons I sell pay the food bill for them; I am not concerened about being the best breeder in any way nor making as much money as I can I love my dragons they are my kids to me I have never risked a dragon's health and Never Will. Ed here recently bred his first dragons and bred them 2-3 times to all different males when I breed the female is bred ONCE a year that is no more as I feel that is not fair to them. My first dragon is named Dante and I still have her she is not a breeder anymore in fact I only bred her once and that was for sentimental reasons she is my pet and very special to me.

As we all know Ed will make up anything he can about people all the statements he is posting aiming towards me are What he is doing he is trying his little Diversion tactics that he is so famous for. I am embarrassed now that I was ever in anyone even associated with him he is a disgrace to this hobby it is suppose to be fun not pure business and money which is how he views it. Ed is just a plain disgrace to man kind in my opinion now I know why he could never get a women he is too childish and immature he has the mentality of a teenage at most.


Ed,
You will not get Price back until Medussa is back in my care are you trying to back out because she is sick or possibly dead already? Ship her back so I can make sure she gets the best care possible or you will not get Prince back plain and simple I am being VERY Generous even offering you an option. You knowingly sent a sick dragon to me it makes me wonder did you do it because you where tying to kill my dragons? Please try to think like an adults and not like a child for once I know it probably hurts to but right now you need to.

 

[HowlinGaleDragons]

Brian,
He might not get Prince back he is pushing me to that point by refusing to return my female Prince is a leather back you would think my as he calls it "Ugly Normal" would make him jump on it unless he is hididng something. He sure dose not like the idea of having to make sure she arrives healthy!

 

[Southern Wolf]

I neither of you do this as a business then why is you purchase so many dragons? It's obvious it's all about the money when you'll purchase dragons for $25.00 and flip them for $100.00 - $200.00 ea That to me doesn't sound like a hobby not to even mention all the dragons that get neglected and dieat what you call is a hobby.

EXACTLY.... I hobby is someone that breeds and sells their animals that THEY breed. Someone that buys animals to resale for a profit is a business.

 

[HowlinGaleDragons]

I know a few people still think I don't care about my dragons I know people will say "It's just pictures" but hopefully they tell you something.

Picture 1 - My baby boy Prince sleeping on me (he dose this every night)
Picture 2 - Frazzle as a sub adult - What a stud
Picture 3 - Zorro and I - He's a ham
Picture 4 -Kisa and I - he was a lover I no longer own him


Ed showing your dragons love is not a sign of weakness try it sometime I know for a fact all you do is scoop the poop once in a while, throw them food, and breed them. Is that really fair? They have feelings too

 

[HowlinGaleDragons]

Kevin,
I totally agree with you I think doing it once is not bad I only do that show once a year and I did not do what Ed dose buy $20 dragons and sell them for $300 + I got my babies for around $20 I think it was and sold them for $45 - $50 I wasn't looking to get rich off them I just love going to the show and meeting people I myself get to learn a lot about other Herps there. And I also make a lot of friends that are into herps most are not into dragons but they are all great people; many of them call me a few weeks before the show to ask If I will be there and see if I would like to go to dinner with a group of them after the show.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Kevin,
I totally agree with you I think doing it once is not bad I only do that show once a year and I did not do what Ed dose buy $20 dragons and sell them for $300 + I got my babies for around $20 I think it was and sold them for $45 - $50 I wasn't looking to get rich off them I just love going to the show and meeting people I myself get to learn a lot about other Herps there. And I also make a lot of friends that are into herps most are not into dragons but they are all great people; many of them call me a few weeks before the show to ask If I will be there and see if I would like to go to dinner with a group of them after the show.

(the voices in my head are speaking) and...you try to ruin people's names so that you don't have to refund their money, and...you sell animals that are not truthfully represented in their pictures, andddddd... you lie about your computer skills and misrepresent yourself...that's right..MISREPRESENT..no wonder I am having a hard time believing that you are "naive."

You may love your dragons, but that STILL, imo, does not clear you or give you permission to steal anyone else's animals.

I, for one, would not tell you to keep an animal that you have no right to. I am not going to encourage you to break any laws when you have already broken enough laws without my help.