Bad Guy Ed Clark - Scammer, Liar, and Sells Sick Dragons

[HowlinGaleDragons]

Deborah Prince was originally Tom Clarke's dragon then Ed wound up with him and he arrived to me in awful shape; all four dragons from Ed had these parasites and not all of them he got from Tom Clarke so these parasites are running rampant in Ed Clark's dragons.

 

[Iguanachic]

How long after Ed got the dragon from Tom did the dragon end up with you? I certainly don't think Tom has anything to do with parasite infested dragons but if I had to guess between you and Ed I'd be stumped.

 

[HowlinGaleDragons]

I honestly don't know how long it was from when Tom had him until I did I wish I did I am sure Ed will come up with something I can tell you it was definitely more than 2 weeks I remember seeing Ed trying to sell Prince on Fauna.

Don't be stumped Seanna it was definitely not from me I run regular fecal checks on all my dragons I have not had anything come up except for the sick ones I got from Ed and they where kept far away from my dragons. I highly doubt the parasites came from Tom his tanks look clean and his dragons look healthy to me. I have NEVER had any problems with parasites in my dragons I use to take regular fecal's to my vet until I was taught how to do my own and could clearly identify everything.

I have to get going I am working an odd shift today need to be there at noon; have a good day.

 

[Ed Clark]

Ed go suck on a lemon I owe you nothing, you know the glass was broken as you where the one who TOLD me to get some money back on the tanks. And nice try I gave you the count of Coccidia, Pin Worm, Nematode, and Flagellate I found on the fecal.

I still have the counts in his file here you go

Coccidia - + 15
Pin Worms - + 12
Nematodes- + 2 (I have only herd of a dragon with this once)
Flagellates - + 9

These numbers where counted with the Microscope at 2600 X Zoom (65X on eye piece 40X on Main Lens) there was so much moving on Prince's slide it looked like the whole thing was alive.

So Ed dose that look like something not to worry about? That poor dragon was in awful shape! And that picture of him outside was taken after he finally came up with three clean fecal slides in a row. He was still a bit thin but it is hard to see as he really did not like being outside and pancaked out while giving me the official beardy stink eye.

Ed make a choice already I won't keep sitting around listening to you lie and try to get out of this.

Choice 1 : Finally admit that you gave Prince to me and be over with this thread
Choice 2: Send $200 to my pay pal and have Prince back Tuesday (Against what I feel is right - I HATE offering this but I am sick of Ed's lies and tantrums)

Nicole its time to stop lying here.

You have recently bought a scope and have no idea what you are seeing, hence all the calls to me asking for help.

You told me last summer Prince was sick, I have thought long and hard about everything you have told me in the past and now I can see so many holes in your lies. I believe the only reason you are saying prince is sick is to try to rob me of that dragon.

You have claimed another dragon that came from tom was sick also, I believed you awhile ago but cant buy it now. you need to post results from a licensed Vet to prove that both dragons were actually sick.

The numbers you posted are worthless, a persons rep hangs on you saying 2 of his dragons are sick.

 

[wyldwurm]

Nicole its time to stop lying here.

You have recently bought a scope and have no idea what you are seeing, hence all the calls to me asking for help.

You told me last summer Prince was sick, I have thought long and hard about everything you have told me in the past and now I can see so many holes in your lies. I believe the only reason you are saying prince is sick is to try to rob me of that dragon.

You have claimed another dragon that came from tom was sick also, I believed you awhile ago but cant buy it now. you need to post results from a licensed Vet to prove that both dragons were actually sick.

The numbers you posted are worthless, a persons rep hangs on you saying 2 of his dragons are sick.

I'm not sticking up for Nicole because she is just as much a liar as you are...BUT


She is not claiming that the dragon came from Tom sick....she is claiming it came from YOU sick...so Toms rep is intact.
She is also not robbing you of that dragon because she offered him back to you pending costs she "says" you owe.

It's funny, you did the same thing yesterday...you waited until she was at work before you took her posts and twisted them into a bunch of rubbish to suit your own needs.

One more thing, you owe Tom a huge apology! The very least you can do is be the man you claim you are and do it.

 

[Iguanachic]

What I truly don't get is that neither of you realize how lucky you are to be able to make a living working with these beautiful animals. Some members on here including myself spend our last dollar to own and care for our animals. You two treat them like they are just "things" and bargaining chips. If either of you ever sat back and really thought about the way you behave yourselves in respect to the care of your animals you might very well hate yourself.

I am sure you both COULD produce stunning healthy animals and have top of the line customer service if you WANTED to. I don't think either of you do. You should spend a little less time worrying about your bottom line and concentrate on the middle a bit more.

Your griping and he said/she said is doing no one any good. Nicole, if that dragon was really ill when you got him and Ed's care is so horrible then by all means fight the good fight and keep Prince. If you're just trying for a smear campaign end it, return the dragon, and move on.

Ed, only you and Nicole know the truth. I don't really put much weight into the words of a scorned lover. Does your reputation really mean less to you than the mud slinging, sarcastic comments, and the trickles of money you seem to be so hell bent on not returning to the customers you owe??? I think you need a long weekend in the deep, dark woods all by yourself to contemplate your life and the choices you have made. It's really sad to see someone so wrapped up in themselves that nothing but their own satisfaction matters.

 

[Ed Clark]

I'm not sticking up for Nicole because she is just as much a liar as you are...BUT


She is not claiming that the dragon came from Tom sick....she is claiming it came from YOU sick...so Toms rep is intact.
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The dragon was bought and paid for by me just for the breeder loan with Nicole, I drove over to toms to pick it up then sent it directly to Nicole.

I have yet to see anything to prove the dragon was sick, I took her word that it was sick.

I truly believe she hatched the sick dragon story to keep that dragon. I have sold her many dragons on credit which she has paid nothing to date.

 

[Ed Clark]

Proven scammer!

This is all Nicole got on the last scam she tried to pull.

Negative Demanded a Refund after 6 MONTHS- Complete temper tantrum. BUYER BEWARE BAD GUY Seller ReptileAddictions (2) 02-28-2010

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

Have you noticed I asked the person that claimed he was sick how she determined he was sick?

I'm looking for answers myself.

Look Ed, I been nice, don't start the being coy crap with me. YOU started the bad guy thread against Tom. Yet YOU just posted you don't have any proof and are looking for answers yourself.

You need to go make that thread right. You made a false accusation, and admitted it by YOUR own posts in this confusion of threads about you.


Nicole, got pictures of the bugs you found in the fecals? You said earlier you have all the fancy doodads with your new scope. You can't go making claims without some proof, and since a vet didn't perform the fecal exams and give you a written report, seems only pictures of the parasites would prove it.

 

[snared99]

Ed go suck on a lemon I owe you nothing, you know the glass was broken as you where the one who TOLD me to get some money back on the tanks. And nice try I gave you the count of Coccidia, Pin Worm, Nematode, and Flagellate I found on the fecal.

I still have the counts in his file here you go

Coccidia - + 15
Pin Worms - + 12
Nematodes- + 2 (I have only herd of a dragon with this once)
Flagellates - + 9

These numbers where counted with the Microscope at 2600 X Zoom (65X on eye piece 40X on Main Lens) there was so much moving on Prince's slide it looked like the whole thing was alive.

So Ed dose that look like something not to worry about? That poor dragon was in awful shape! And that picture of him outside was taken after he finally came up with three clean fecal slides in a row. He was still a bit thin but it is hard to see as he really did not like being outside and pancaked out while giving me the official beardy stink eye.

Ed make a choice already I won't keep sitting around listening to you lie and try to get out of this.

Choice 1 : Finally admit that you gave Prince to me and be over with this thread
Choice 2: Send $200 to my pay pal and have Prince back Tuesday (Against what I feel is right - I HATE offering this but I am sick of Ed's lies and tantrums)

I have to add here, and im not taking anyones side just stating the facts, that in the vet world there is no such thing as +15 on a parasite reading. It generally goes to +3 or +4 for extreme loads. Are you saying that you saw 15 parasites per high powered field??? Just trying to understand your post. Also i have read thousands of fecals on hundreds of species and never saw flagellates on slides, once in awhile nematodes. Are you sure your correct in your counts??

And for the record my name is Pat Kline CVT (Vertified Vet Tech Nationally), if your curious i run a vet department at a zoo.

 

[Ed Clark]

I have to add here, and im not taking anyones side just stating the facts, that in the vet world there is no such thing as +15 on a parasite reading. It generally goes to +3 or +4 for extreme loads. Are you saying that you saw 15 parasites per high powered field??? Just trying to understand your post. Also i have read thousands of fecals on hundreds of species and never saw flagellates on slides, once in awhile nematodes. Are you sure your correct in your counts??

And for the record my name is Pat Kline CVT (Vertified Vet Tech Nationally), if your curious i run a vet department at a zoo.

Looks like Nicole has been caught lying again.

 

[Ed Clark]

My assumption would be "time in the care of incompetence"... but that's just me... That dragon was likely not tested IMMEDIATELY upon receipt from Tom, and Ed himself admits that his collection has all manner of parasites... ("All dragons do" and "They're not a problem")...

Jason you are grasping at straws here, that dragon came from tom, I directly shipped to Nicole. it was never in my collection. my collection is parasite free.

Nicole claimed it was sick last summer when she received him, she recently bought a scope that she has no idea how to use or have any idea what she sees.

If she says it was sick last summer lets see the fecal results that was done by a licensed vet.she is posting numbers that have no meaning what so ever.

She has always had a habit of saying she can look at a dragon and know what it has, then she starts pumping everything she has into the poor dragon....she has killed dragons in the past treating them with no tests.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

I have to add here, and im not taking anyones side just stating the facts, that in the vet world there is no such thing as +15 on a parasite reading. It generally goes to +3 or +4 for extreme loads. Are you saying that you saw 15 parasites per high powered field??? Just trying to understand your post. Also i have read thousands of fecals on hundreds of species and never saw flagellates on slides, once in awhile nematodes. Are you sure your correct in your counts??

And for the record my name is Pat Kline CVT (Vertified Vet Tech Nationally), if your curious i run a vet department at a zoo.

Not to question your experience, but My vet showed some to me on a stained slide. My rescued Hog Island Boa was full of them.

Hard to see, but it can be done.


Ed, you get caught lying all the time. What's the difference? You two should just kiss and make up. You're meant for each other.

 

[HowlinGaleDragons]

I am not lying Ed just raises his ugly head when I am at work LOL Proves where his maturity level stands.

I was trained by two Vet Techs and worked with one of my former Vets on fecals so I know exactly what I am looking at. And yes I know those are really high levels I had NEVER seen a dragon with such levels before and yes I know I couldnted right I have done many hundreds of fecals not only smears but floats. I know how to use all the Dyes and everything involved in a fecal exam.

LOL Ed you might want to push a leash on your imagination I would never call you for help as you know Nothing about fecals and have NEVER done any. I have had a Micrscope for many years this is my NEW one as I felt it was time to step up to a more advanced one. The one before this did the 4000x zoom bit was not a Binocular set up which makes it so much easier to look at things you don't have to strain your eyes.

And Yes I do I have three pictures from Prince's fecal exams I have pictures from a lot of my dragons I keep them in each dragons file on my PC with the results along with all of their other information. It Might sound disgusting but doing fecal's is actually very interesting Sorry they are not really easy to see my old Camera didn't take as nice of pictures as my new one I picked up if you want proof of the camera for my microscope I have no issue taking a picture.

Oh and Ed was sent these fecal pictures at proof and I remember him going nuts saying it was not his fault it was Toms. Ed you are full of B/S you had Prince for sale on Fauna for 3-4 weeks after you got him from Tom nice try

 

[HowlinGaleDragons]

Anyway's I know Ed has tried to make it sound like I only am out for money and what not and that really me off. I am not telling you about this boy because I am trying to make a sappy story or that but I will NOT stand by and have someone tell me I only care about money and I don't care about my dragons that is the BIGGEST lie that can be told about me.

I would like to introduce everyone to one of my rescues.

This boy is Rowdy; Rowdy was not taken care of well in the beginning if his life I got him when he was around 5 months old and he was horribly deformed due to lack of calcium and UVB. He had to get Calcium injections from the vet and several antibiotics due to an RI and a wide spread infection I put a lot of time and money into this boy and he has turned into a wonderful pet and will never leave here.

I attached a few pictures of my little buddy.

Unlike Ed I believe if a dragon has even the smallest chance to pull through; they should get a shot at it and not just be thrown in a freezer; Rowdy is not breedable he won't win any beauty contest but he has a big heart and lots of love to give he is now 2.5 Years Old and acts the part of a normal male bobbing and black bearding.

I know a comment was made why is Prince on my site if he isn't a breeder. Very simple he is a pet and he deserves a spot just like any other dragon I have dose my buddy Rowdy is up there and so is Dante the first dragon I ever owned and she is retired.

 

[snared99]

Nicole,
I would have to respctfully disagree, coccidia do not have a worm component to their lifecycle. The go throgh sporogany internal, and never have a worm. Please see this link for clarification...http://biology.unm.edu/biology/coccidia/lifecycle.jpg The only thing you will find coccidia is the spores (egg), and possible the egg splitting.
As for the second pic it is very difficult to see in the pic, but it doesnt appear to be a ascarid. Do you have a better shot of that parasite???

 

[HowlinGaleDragons]

Worm what are you talking about there are no worms in those pictures the are both Coccidia and one is Round Worm Eggs

 

[HowlinGaleDragons]

Also if I rememebr right an ascarid is a fancy name for Round Worm? I know they are also called Nematodes

 

[snared99]

The second pic you have a red line going to what looks like a worm and say it is visibly moving. Sorry your pics are not that good. But i cant say i have ever see coccidia visibly move. Im not saying that is not a pic of coccidia bit it generally looks like a hardboiled egg cut in half.

 

[HowlinGaleDragons]

Best way I can explain how it moved was "Irregular" and "Quick" almost appearing to Swim; Prince had diarrhea to the point it was like water and there was a lot of blood in it and it really smelled awful.

I did not take pictures of his Float but he was loaded with Coccidia Eggs that looked like the picture I drew and attached.