Ed Clark- Sketchy Ad

[Miss Tuniwha]

OOOOOHHH, Congrats Ryan! What are you expecting?

 

[RyanT]

OOOOOHHH, Congrats Ryan! What are you expecting?

Thanks Brandi. LOTS of Cinnies. A lot for me anyway. Got 20 eggs in the incubator so far and should have about 20 more on the way.

 

[DThomas]

Lets keep this on topic, which is Ed's ad and his business practices. As Rich has stated in the thread in the feedback forum, leave the mod ability attacks alone. If you feel the need to question mod abilities, do it civilly and professionally.

 

[v2rherp]

i really didn't see a problem with the original ad. they were advertised as ch imports. anyone buying ch imports knows that genetics aren't guaranteed.

alot of people use the names like granite,banded,ringer,harlequin,shatter,black back,blurry,reduced,tiger, etc. quite often and freely.

i have more of a problem, with the really new and unheard and unproven morph names. ie "emerald jewels" used in ads.

ed, didn't make up these names and imo, the ad was pretty par for the course for ch imports.


vaughn

 

[daniel1983]

i really didn't see a problem with the original ad. they were advertised as ch imports. anyone buying ch imports knows that genetics aren't guaranteed.

alot of people use the names like granite,banded,ringer,harlequin,shatter,black back,blurry,reduced,tiger, etc. quite often and freely.

i have more of a problem, with the really new and unheard and unproven morph names. ie "emerald jewels" used in ads.

ed, didn't make up these names and imo, the ad was pretty par for the course for ch imports.

vaughn

Agreed.

I could scroll through the classifieds and find tons of other people that do the same thing as Ed.....where are all their "Sketchy Classified Ad" threads?

 

[Bill & Amy]

There's alot more going on here than just a "sketchy" classified thread. That just seems to be one part of the total picture.

 

[Seamus Haley]

For my part, it's just a sketchy classified ad. His wording indicated that the animals were posessing a genetic quality that he can not verify- thus "sketchy ad" rather than "bad guy" or "con man"

I asked him on that thread if it was just poor wording, he didn't respond by the time it was locked- a supermod said a BOI thread would be more appropriate to continue the discussion and I found his choice of timing for his edit to be suspect. So here it is.

There do seem to be a few more things going on- though I think it may be important to seperate animal related issues from personality conflicts. If there is a more signifigant underlying issue with the way he deals, it's unfortunately getting a little lost in a discussion about warning points and karma. Although I do have to acknowledge that a tendency to lie in one facet of his life does make it more likely that he'd lie in others. I just don't particularly CARE about the kind of backbiting sniping that happens through Fauna's karma system, so it doesn't hold as much weight with me as it seems to with others.

 

[jasballs]

i really didn't see a problem with the original ad. they were advertised as ch imports. anyone buying ch imports knows that genetics aren't guaranteed.

alot of people use the names like granite,banded,ringer,harlequin,shatter,black back,blurry,reduced,tiger, etc. quite often and freely.

i have more of a problem, with the really new and unheard and unproven morph names. ie "emerald jewels" used in ads.

ed, didn't make up these names and imo, the ad was pretty par for the course for ch imports.


vaughn

I have to agree here aswell, Nothing in that ad looked Fishy to Me.. But I have to be Truthfull here, Other things I've seen and heard about Ed Are fishy.. Make sence?

 

[critical bill]

I have to agree here aswell, Nothing in that ad looked Fishy to Me.. But I have to be Truthfull here, Other things I've seen and heard about Ed Are fishy.. Make sence?

I would say anything in regards to Ed is SUSPECT.

 

[Cat_72]

anyone buying ch imports knows that genetics aren't guaranteed

I would tend to disagree. There's plenty of newbies out there that just see something called a morph, and take that at face value. To say that "everyone knows" is just plain silly.

That would be the only problem I had with the original ad.

 

[Metallicat]

His ad may have been like a bunch of others but that just means they are ALL trying to mislead the uninformed into making a purchase under false pretenses. Just because everyone else does it, doesn't make it right. When I see ads like that I think "what a dirtbag" about the seller. Not, "good for him, he's making an outstanding profit on a $7 normal at the expense of others".

 

[Ed Clark]

Douglas, Point taken, never thought about putting the word normals in an ad that says these are recently imported captive hatched babies.

Have been doing this so long that I assumed everybody knew about these captive hatched babies. not trying to misrepresent these babies at all. this was a good learning experience for me and you can believe the word normals will be in every ad from now on and I will make sure they understand that as well. Live and learn

His ad may have been like a bunch of others but that just means they are ALL trying to mislead the uninformed into making a purchase under false pretenses. Just because everyone else does it, doesn't make it right. When I see ads like that I think "what a dirtbag" about the seller. Not, "good for him, he's making an outstanding profit on a $7 normal at the expense of others".

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

I just dont see how this ad in question could be misinterpred as misrepresentation in any way, I stated over and over that the ball pythons in question were recently imported captive hatched imports.

Yer full of crap Ed. If you truly believed there was nothing wrong with the way you originally posted the ad, you would not have unlocked it and edited it. If this was a one time thing, I may be more apt to buy into this honest mistake crap yer trying to lay on everyone.

But alas, it's not even CLOSE to the first time something has arose questioning your ethics. You've proved to be dishonest, petty, vindictive and spiteful of any little criticism that comes your way. You abuse your power to boot. Absolutely childish. I can't believe you remain a Mod.


Rick

 

[daniel1983]

Not, "good for him, he's making an outstanding profit on a $7 normal at the expense of others".

...I was thinking along the lines of "Good for the snake....glad someone values its life at more than $7"....

...I still do not see how it is 'at the expense of others'.....The ad was pretty clear to me....and it was probably pretty clear to anybody considering spending over $200 on a snake.....but I guess there are idiots out there that spend that kind of money without knowing a damn thing about the animal...If that is the issue, then it is also their fault for being stupid.

....and as far as Ed's other issues, lets hear them. People can drop hints all day long...but hints are worthless to people looking for the truth. I would really like to know what is going on.

 

[Bill & Amy]

How about threats Ed, is that good business behaviour? Remember when I quoted a previously asked question in your for sale thread on bp.net? I quoted Daniel's question of "who produced these animals?" because it wasn't answered in the thread. You went off on a tangent and told me you would take care of me "face to face". It was a question that I wanted answered that I thought you overlooked. When a mod asked you if that was a threat, you quickly deleted the ad.

You keep avoiding the issues Ed.

 

[Ed Clark]

Rick, the ad was edited to include the words. these are not genetic morphs, because some must not have known what a recently imported captive hatched baby is. I wanted it to very clear.

Yer full of crap Ed. If you truly believed there was nothing wrong with the way you originally posted the ad, you would not have unlocked it and edited it. If this was a one time thing, I may be more apt to buy into this honest mistake crap yer trying to lay on everyone.

But alas, it's not even CLOSE to the first time something has arose questioning your ethics. You've proved to be dishonest, petty, vindictive and spiteful of any little criticism that comes your way. You abuse your power to boot. Absolutely childish. I can't believe you remain a Mod.


Rick

 

[Ed Clark]

wild bill, please post proof of your accusations!

You keep avoiding the issues Ed.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I would tend to disagree. There's plenty of newbies out there that just see something called a morph, and take that at face value. To say that "everyone knows" is just plain silly.

That would be the only problem I had with the original ad.

His ad may have been like a bunch of others but that just means they are ALL trying to mislead the uninformed into making a purchase under false pretenses. Just because everyone else does it, doesn't make it right. When I see ads like that I think "what a dirtbag" about the seller. Not, "good for him, he's making an outstanding profit on a $7 normal at the expense of others".

Yer full of crap Ed. If you truly believed there was nothing wrong with the way you originally posted the ad, you would not have unlocked it and edited it. If this was a one time thing, I may be more apt to buy into this honest mistake crap yer trying to lay on everyone.

But alas, it's not even CLOSE to the first time something has arose questioning your ethics. You've proved to be dishonest, petty, vindictive and spiteful of any little criticism that comes your way. You abuse your power to boot. Absolutely childish. I can't believe you remain a Mod.


Rick

To be fair, Just from my perspective as someone who glanced at Ed’s Ad before it was edited. He didn't mention the word morph or "minor morph" in the original ad.
It did state (as It still does) “AFRICAS CREAM OF THE CROP !” and “THESE ARE RECENT CAPTIVE HATCHED IMPORTS THAT HAVE SHED AND ARE FEEDING.” He didn't add or change that part of the original ad.

What was added was

THESE ARE NOT GENETIC MORPHS UNLESS YOU PROVE THEM TO BE THAT.
THESE NAMES ARE ON THEM TO HELP IDENTIFY EACH INDIVIDUAL SNAKE.
SOME THINK THEY ARE NOTHING BUT FANCY NORMALS AND IF YOU THINK THEY ARE, THEN THEY ARE JUST FANCY NORMALS.

The parts of the ad that has been problematic for some, hasn't been changed. Has it?

4TH PIC MALE GOLD STRIPE HARLEQUIN. $150.00
1ST PIC MALE GOLD STRIPE BLACK BALL. $250.00
2ND PIC FEMALE GOLD STRIPE HARLEQUIN. $175.00
3RD PIC FEMALE STRIPED BROWN HEADED GRANITE. $175.00

I think this above is still there.

“AFRICAS CREAM OF THE CROP !” and “THESE ARE RECENT CAPTIVE HATCHED IMPORTS THAT HAVE SHED AND ARE FEEDING.”

From this point, I think most of us understood exactly what was being sold.

He did however use the term “Specials or minor morphs to others.” a post or two later when it was stated that they were normal. That I believe is where most of this comes from. I think it was a poor choice of words to add the word morph anywhere in the description.

I can understand the points made how some might be confused with the names associated with each individual snake. I can understand wanting individual viewers of an ad to understand what is being sold. I wouldn't want anyone to feel they have been fooled by a deceptive ad. Those points are valid.

I want to be fair about this. So, I have to ask, at what point should a newbie take the initiative and know what they are buying?
If all imported animals are being labeled in the same manner and it has become the standard, would it not be wiser to address the standard being used than one individual that has accepted that standard?

His ad may have been like a bunch of others but that just means they are ALL trying to mislead the uninformed into making a purchase under false pretenses. Just because everyone else does it, doesn't make it right. When I see ads like that I think "what a dirtbag" about the seller. Not, "good for him, he's making an outstanding profit on a $7 normal at the expense of others".

As long as someone knows what they are buying, I could care less what someones profit margin is. But, Does the seller have an obligation to make sure that a buyer knows what a recent captive hatched import means?

 

[Mark Schmidtke]

....and as far as Ed's other issues, lets hear them. People can drop hints all day long...but hints are worthless to people looking for the truth. I would really like to know what is going on.

Absolutely right. Ed's been banned from one forum today and he's getting kicked around here pretty good and I can't for the life of me figure out why? I've seen the same ads and posts that everyone else sees and while I can understand why some of them may be aggravating to some people, I really haven't seen anything worth this kind of beating. What am I missing? There has GOTTA be something going on behind the scenes that nobody wants to talk about. If there is, then either spill it or drop it. To someone like me who isn't 'in the loop' this is really beginning to look like a witch hunt.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

....... If this was a one time thing, I may be more apt to buy into this honest mistake crap yer trying to lay on everyone.

But alas, it's not even CLOSE...........

And I STILL can't believe you remain a Mod.