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Ed Clark Where are you?

Daniel Moore said:
The animals in question were and are not buckskins or normals, most if not all are a "morph" of some type partial pinners flames harleys dalmations etc. I have yet to hear a direct reply from Ed. I patiently await a response.


Daniel K. Moore
DMR
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Just out of curiosity and not that I don't believe you, do you have any pictures of your geckos that you got from Ed? Most assuredly not to discredit you, but I'm not believing what Ed says anymore. (Besides, cresties are cute!)
 
Daniel Moore said:
The animals in question were and are not buckskins or normals, most if not all are a "morph" of some type partial pinners flames harleys dalmations etc. I have yet to hear a direct reply from Ed. I patiently await a response.


Daniel K. Moore
DMR
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Daniel, by any chance do you have any emails from the transaction you could post? Specifically, any communication about the description of the geckos and from what stock. Thanks.

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Bruce and Bud,

No, I don't believe an unconditional guarantee should be given on a purchase more than six or seven months later. But, it really is a mute point since Ed has agreed (before this thread occurred) that he would send replacements. The only question that remained at the beginning of this thread is the timeframe (if any stated) Ed will send replacements.

Unfortunately, it wasn’t as easy as that. Now, there are other questions that really do need to be answered.

The discrepancies of what geckos were sent for one.

Originally Posted by Daniel Moore
The animals in question were and are not buckskins or normals, most if not all are a "morph" of some type partial pinners flames harleys dalmations etc.
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Originally Posted by Ed Clark
What he recieved was normals and thats what I will send as soon as I feel they are big enought to ship.
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Originally Posted by Ed Clark
I understand him having problems was not my problem. BUT...I wanted to send him a couple babies. not my high end morphs, but normals that he originally purchased.
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Then also,
Originally Posted by Ed Clark
The geckos I sent Daniel came from Emily Cook.
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Emily Cook <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Ed,
I just got finished feeding and cleaning gecko cages and picked out a nice 1.5 group for you. The male is a nicely structured patternless red and unrelated to the females. The females are an assortment of morphs and colors.
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Originally Posted by Ed Clark
What he recieved was normals and thats what I will send as soon as I feel they are big enought to ship.
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I had a hard time condemning Ed on the previous BOI thread specifically because of the time issue. Actually, my views were more inline with Harald and Seamus on several points. But, there are unmistakable discrepancies here that you can’t ignore.

It doesn’t matter if one believes they are treated unfairly, you can’t summit a false accusation as a form of revenge. There is no way that Ed could have sent normals to Daniel and this post also be true.
Originally Posted by Ed Clark
The geckos I sent Daniel came from Emily Cook.
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If that statement is true then these cannot be.

Originally Posted by Ed Clark
What he recieved was normals and thats what I will send as soon as I feel they are big enought to ship.
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Originally Posted by Ed Clark
I understand him having problems was not my problem. BUT...I wanted to send him a couple babies. not my high end morphs, but normals that he originally purchased.
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There is no flexibility there. Either one is untrue and two or correct. Or vice versa.
 
Dennis There is an email transcript with Ed and I in one of the passages in this thread.
Maggie I dont have any pictures of the cresteds that Ed sent and they are now in breeding groups throughout my colony. I still patiently await a direct response from Ed.

Daniel Moore
DMR
 
Emily has been waiting for a direct response from Ed for, eh....how many months now?

Best of luck with that, Daniel. And I do mean that sincerely.
 
Daniel Moore said:
Dennis There is an email transcript with Ed and I in one of the passages in this thread.

Daniel Moore
DMR
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Clarification-
I read the ones were you are discussing the replacements. Do you happen to have the emails from the original deal?
 


Clarification-
I read the ones where you are discussing the replacements. Do you happen to have the emails from the original deal?

Anything that contains information on the group he sent you? Or the original ad?

Was it on Fauna, KS, etc.?
 
I wonder who Ed will point fingers at next in a feeble attempt to deflect attention away from himself? It is, afterall, his modis operandi.

I have come to wonder if Ed is a victim of his own delusions? I truly believe that he believes his lies to be truths.
 
Ha. What a lowly group of lynch mobbers. Ed said he would replace the bad geckos he said came from Emily Cook when he produced some more himself. You clone followers of darkness need to try better if you want to fool the intelligencia that visit this site like the Jedi.
 
brucestephenson said:
Ha. What a lowly group of lynch mobbers. Ed said he would replace the bad geckos he said came from Emily Cook when he produced some more himself. You clone followers of darkness need to try better if you want to fool the intelligencia that visit this site like the Jedi.
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Bruce, Bruce, Bruce - when will you actually read? Emily sent Ed high end geckos, Ed said the geckos he sent to the OP were normals, so they couldn't have come from Emily. Silly little man.

In order for your accusations to hold water, you'll have to accuse your buddy of lying about what he sent to the OP.
 
This has been VERY interesting reading!! Between BPnet and Fauna, the evidence is so overwhelmingly AGAINST the idea of Mr. Clark being an honest, upright member of the reptile community that I would have to be blind, illiterate, and mentally challenged not to see this.


And thats a shame, because Mr. Clark has a very nice stripey Mojave advertised in the BP classifeds (closed) that I would have liked to see bred into my collection (it won't happen)...a darn shame.
 
I sent Ed a group of 1.5 juvie crested gecko morphs. Ed sent Daniel a group of "7 or 8 females." Now, I know for a fact that 2 of the females that I sent Ed were not included in the group that went to Daniel because Ed posted newly taken photos of the largest female on several forums multiple times, well after the shipping date of Daniel's group (I think perhaps he was holding onto this female to breed himself) and Ed himself said that one of the other females went to a female "friend" of his. That leaves 3 females, which were juvies under approximately 10 grams in size that could have been sent to Daniel. I may be able to track some of them down based on Ed's posts on other forums and rule them out as well if necessary. Yes, it is possible that one or two of the smaller females that I sent Ed went to Daniel, however, as Daniel already stated, the two geckos that died were larger, adult geckos.

That said, if the two geckos that died had actually originally come from me, even though they were in Ed's care before he sent them to Daniel I would replace them for Daniel. Even though, having been in Ed's care and possibly exposed to life-threatening parasites (coccidia and other parasites are quite a bit more serious for cresteds than they are for ball pythons), because of the fact that they were produced by me and because I would be terribly upset that 2 of my geckos had died, I would replace them free of charge for Daniel.
 
Emily,

First let me say that you are not under any scrutiny here. At least not by anyone that matters. I hope you know that.

Secondly, you cant really determine anything based on what Ed has said. The guy is a pathological liar. The more he talks the more he exposes his own lies.
 
Thanks Sammy, I guess I just feel a little under fire since Ed specifically stated that the geckos came from me. I know that doesn't mean anything at all, I just don't want there to be question in anyone's mind.

I know I can't trust anything that Ed says. The best evidence I have is dates of posts and photos--they can speak on their own without Ed's words.
 
cookreptiles said:
Thanks Sammy, I guess I just feel a little under fire since Ed specifically stated that the geckos came from me. I know that doesn't mean anything at all, I just don't want there to be question in anyone's mind.

I know I can't trust anything that Ed says. The best evidence I have is dates of posts and photos--they can speak on their own without Ed's words.
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Its doubtful Ed even knows where the Cresties he sent came from. It was most likely a cheap shot of revenge to discredit you in some way over the BP thread you started on him AFTER he dropped the ball in making a timely check of his records and reply. From what I have gathered from talking to Ed before ( 3 months ago roughly ) is he was at one time swamped with cresties and looking to move whole groups of them. Its possible he has been swamped with them for some time and overloaded himself.

Don't even bother giving his buddies a second thought. The freedom we have in this country also allows ignorance to have a voice.
 
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