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Elisa Cox, Mike Cox, Mike Williams, Michael Williams

I don't know if my recent call from Mike Williams has anything to do with this but it smells funny.

A couple of weeks(maybe three) I got a call from Mike looking for adult female boas 6-7ft. He was looking for cheap "normals". I told him I didn't have any. I didn't think much of it and went about my day.

Now I see this post and it brings up a familiarly. The last time Mike was involved in a "het deal" gone bad, he had contacted me a week or so before looking for adult female ball feeding imports that I could do cheap.

I cannot say for sure, but my spidey-senses are telling me he may be scouring wanted ads for people looking for hets and then calling me and others looking for good quality but cheap animals to fill his "het" orders.

Again this is my speculation but I would be cautious about accepting an animal without verifiable credentials.

Thanks
ben cole
 
another email from Elisa Cox

Hey Brannon. Here is an email I just received from Elisa. Did you or are you receiving a refund from her?

Date: Thursday, April 27, 2006 12:41 PM
From: E Cox <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: dh snow females 04, and 05.
Size: 8 KB

If anyone feels that me Elisa Cox and my fiancé Michael Williams have scammed or ripped anyone off, please contact me at [email protected] and you will be recompensed for it upon proof of allegations. I am prepared to recompense any and everyone that feels that they have been taken advantage of. I wasn’t aware of any of his past dealings. But I bought Mike’s business out and I now own it. I am the new owners of all of his animals and I took over all records, all transaction, all transactions in progress, all breeding loans, and I will give out all contact information of the producers and/or person where I got it , of any and all animals in questions. I bought-out Mike and now he just takes care of the animals, he also breeds all of them. Once I bought the animals, I looked at them and I decided to sell off all the odds and end projects that I don’t think I want to get into. That’s the reason for my large sale. I am currently buying a house and building a work station to house all the snakes and animals. That is why I am selling these snakes at a lower price than many other people
 
As the adage goes "if you cannot spell you cannot sell". Quack......Quack.....

Griz
 
I have also had a bad deal with Micheal Williams. I purchased 0.2 LTC ball pythons from Micheal. One was supposed to be 1100 grams, and the other 900 grams. This was almost a year ago. When they arrived, the larger one (that only weighed 875 grams approximately) was DOA. The smaller, supposed 900 gram girl was only 500 grams or so and THIN. Also, they both looked like recent imports. The live girl was dehydrated and had mites, the larger girl looked like she may have been pretty dehydrated too by the way the skin was hanging from her lower half. Now i only paid 250 for the two, but Micheal agreed on a live arrival guarantee. I asked micheal when i might be getting a refund and i received EVERY excuse in the book until suddenly he went off to school (as i found out by a phone call with his father) and i could never get in touch with him again. I dropped it, because i really didnt want to fight and argue with this guy (who in my mind at the time, was just scamming me out of the money) over $150 dollars. I asked for 150 because the girl that WAS alive was 400 grams off of what she was supposed to be. So $125 for the DOA and $25 back for misrepresented animal. Micheal had spoken to me quite a few times and talked about how he bought imports ALL the time, and continued to try and move more off onto my hands.

DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT CONTINUE BUSINESS WITH THIS MAN OR ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH HIM.

File a complaint with your local police department, and whatever else you CAN do.

I hate to say it, but i have a bad feeling your money might already be spent and without scamming other people i dont think he/she will EVER have it.
 
Setting in the Stone

I have post this on another thread and thought after I posted there that it could be lost forever if the ad was deleted :bawling: I think that this should be moved to the BOI this way there isn't a push of a button and POOF this ad is gone..... and all this info is just a memory..but seeing as it is here...First off this whole thing stinks to the high heavens, Ive read both this thread and the others (ie) Mike Williams and Elisa Cox. and in my opinion unless Mike and Elisa where brought up together and taught by the same teacher they are one in the same person (ie) They both spell the same words wrong and have the same punctuations. Also the she bought him out is just crap, Common sense would dictate that if they were together as bf/gf and had plans of getting married why sell them to her ???? The answer is Mike screwed his name and now he needs a new one :rofl: Mike is still large and incharge, and Elisa is just a skirt to hide behind.
 
BTW, here's the ad for the two females that i purchased. I also have the email correspondence.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/pp_classifieds/showproduct.php?product=1073&sort=1&cat=all&page=5

Dont know if you (Micheal or Elisa) read the "Buying a house" thread in the BP classifieds section.

But Micheal and/or Elisa, if your serious about recompensating people.. Please PM me with a telephone number where i can contact one of you so i can receive my $150. I will post here if you make good on your side of the deal Micheal.
 
I'm the person that started this thread. And.....

I would like to say that, it seems that Mike and Elisa are working very hard to get things straight with me, and not just me but others as well on past dealings. What has happened on my deal is, in all the confusion I was sent the wrong animal, although it is a double het for snow, the age and size is incorrect.

Now they are offering to fully refund my money and they are not asking for the animal back until I have received all the cash. Which is appropriate. And on top of that they are offering my choice of one neonate from several different litters this year for free to make up for the trouble. And they have been very persistant up to this point about trying to get some closure on this.

So I felt that it was my responsibility for their to point out their actions after all this started for me. Good or bad. I will keep you guys updated.

To err is to be Human. To forgive is Sublime.

Brannon May[/I]
 
My situation with them has not changed at all. I was called a couple times by Elisa. She promised a lot and told me that Mike would no longer be making deals but I see that he has resumed his usual crap, she stated that she had "purchased" the business from Mike. She told me that she would make everything right. But it seems she was just trying to buy time and have me and everyone else forget abut all this.

I just had another person email me asking about these two, he had purchased of all animals, a double het. It took months for him to receive it.

Anyway, I just wanted to keep this issue front and center so I might be able to save someone the trouble of Mike and Elisa Cox.

Smell what I'm steppin in?
 
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