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Escaped snake kills two children in New Brunswick

There has allegedly been reports that these were carbon monoxide deaths mad that the bites were post mortem, but all I have is 32d hand info and cannot find confirmation. Will keep digging.
 
I would think carbon monoxide can be ruled out. It would have been throughout house. The father and other child would have at least been feeling effects and snake which was in same room and on the floor probably would have been dead.
 
JColt said:
I would think carbon monoxide can be ruled out. It would have been throughout house. The father and other child would have at least been feeling effects and snake which was in same room and on the floor probably would have been dead.
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I hear you, nut this is not necessarily true. If the father and other child were in a room with an open window, for instance.
 
So you think this guy had a ventilation pipe in his arp cage that was full of carbon monoxide? And that a snake that use heat signature to home in on its prey attacked TWO cold no prey items? Sure seems legit to me......

I wish the giant camp would stop trying to explain this away with asinine theories that makes the remainder of us looks like complete idiots too. They need to accept that this was done by the arp and that their vested interests may be hurt because of this.
 
lovin2act said:
Weird that this has been somewhat under reported in all the stories if in fact true. Have you ever been tagged by a python? Or seen someone tagged by one? Ever notice how much bleeding takes place even from an average sized snake? Now take one the size of this Afroc and think of the injury it would cause if it bit you. Ever seen in some of those python hunter shows when a guy gets tagged by a big boy, they need stiches, they bleed a ton, have gaping holes in their flesh, and it is beyond obvious they were bitten. So if this python killed those kids to eat, it would stand to reason that the scene would almost be a blood bath you would think. Even if bitten through clothes. Most people sleep in pretty light clothing for bed and not a pair of jeans, but even with jeans I would think a big pythons teeth would go right through and cause a ton of bleeding. I would think that would be a huge thing mentioned in these reports, but there is hardly anything. Something just seems really off with this whole ordeal.
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Talk about over-dramatized and flat out inaccurate...you should join the media campaigns.
Yes, defensive bites can result in (deeply) torn/cut skin, due to the mechanics of teeth raking across flesh. When they bite and constrict, it is very different - the teeth are embedded, and the snake is wrapped tightly enough to restrict blood flow. Once dead, there would be relatively little bleeding from the puncture. wounds.
That said, without full details, speculation from the side that doesn't want to believe amounts to nothing more than throwing out options.
 
It's fairly obvious what happened even though it is remarkable it happened that way.

Even if something came out now it wouldn't matter anyway. The damage has been done. The average reader with little or no herp knowledge will remember almost every glamorized or false info in this story. The politicians will remember even more.
 
hhmoore said:
Talk about over-dramatized and flat out inaccurate...you should join the media campaigns.
Yes, defensive bites can result in (deeply) torn/cut skin, due to the mechanics of teeth raking across flesh. When they bite and constrict, it is very different - the teeth are embedded, and the snake is wrapped tightly enough to restrict blood flow. Once dead, there would be relatively little bleeding from the puncture. wounds.
That said, without full details, speculation from the side that doesn't want to believe amounts to nothing more than throwing out options.
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Seriously dude? Thanks for the lame insult. Join the media campaigns?? It's neato condescending comments like that which make for fun threads to read when less than grown up people fight back with words in defense of themselves. I will take a higher road than what you chose there and say I should defintely not join those media campaigns and leave it at that, if you can. You as a leader here should write and use words more becoming of one rather than instigating an angry defensive reply from a person who is ON YOUR SIDE! :willy_nil

Ok so why am I flat out inaccurate that there would be a lot of bleeding once the snake let go of it's bite? Especially one of that size? Having been nailed by a very large burmese back in my youth, a feed reponse bite got me bleeding all over the place profusely. Even a small boa has gotten me to a bloody mess from missing the rat and getting my wrist before I invested in a nice set of very long tongs :ack2:. Are you possibly saying that due to the kids being disceased that their bodies were no longer pumping blood and therefore once the snake let go of it's bite which then unplugged the holes that it's teeth created in the skin, that there would a lot less blood loss than due to that versus the same wound on a live person? That makes good sense then if so, though maybe not for certain. But I can see the point that I think you were trying to communicate in your text and agree there would be a difference possibly. I was simply throwing out some thoughts in my other post because I have seen and experienced first hand what it is to be bitten by a large python when it missed the bunny and got me instead.

Old thoughts now though, looks like the story holds it's water and sadly we as a community will have to take the heat for it. Hopefully we can all come together responsibly, show strongly that we do not condone irresponsible reptile keepers, and just be plain better for our own sake and for the love we have of these animals before we lose the right to enjoy them completely.

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KORBIN5895 said:
That is five days old.....

Could you link to an actual news site to substantiate this?
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Could you not bring bias/politics into this? This thread isn't about what source you deem as "actual news," it's about the death of two boys, by snake or possibly something else.
 
What does confirming information as accurate and reliable have to do with politics or bias? Inaccurate info is why the media and the public hate snakes, so why wouldn't you want accurate info?
 
azhketh said:
Could you not bring bias/politics into this? This thread isn't about what source you deem as "actual news," it's about the death of two boys, by snake or possibly something else.
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What are you on? I asked for a legitimate source not some radio stations blog.

I'm following this fairly close as I will probably be on of the first hobbiest affected by this as I live in NB and I have a business dependant on the reptile community. All I have been hear from the giant camp is stupid theories on what "actually" happened.

So far this is what they seem yo be saying. Apparently Jean-Claude killed the children with
CO, broke a hole in his ceiling and ducts the
claimed the snake he illegally owns escaped the
cage and killed the children.
 
Yeah it would never occur to me to plug a hole up in a snake cage..... Moron. :shootfoot
 
Where's the undeniable proof that it did? I haven't seen a coroner's report yet, have you? :shrug01:

It's okay to disagree with people, but to call those of us that aren't convinced it's such a cut and dried story "idiots" just ain't cool.
 
Shadera said:
Where's the undeniable proof that it did? I haven't seen a coroner's report yet, have you? :shrug01:

It's okay to disagree with people, but to call those of us that aren't convinced it's such a cut and dried story "idiots" just ain't cool.
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Are you fabricating stories of CO poisoning? Are you using Australian blogs to say it was a murder?

I like you as you seem to be a solid person so it wasn't directed at you at all and I'm sorry if you felt that way.

The RCMP have stated that it was the python that strangled the boys and they based that on the autopsy report.
 
I did figure it was pointed at me. I am sorry I misunderstood you. You were talking about the former employee, then?

Oh no, I don't believe it happened that way at all. But I don't think it was as easy as snake smelled prey, crawled out and killed the children. There are a whole lot of questions I'd love to see some answers to, that we'll probably never have answered. The media has had their field day, so the (to them) insignificant details will never be reported. Honestly? I'm not quite sure what I believe happened, but I do know I'm deeply saddened at the family's loss, and at what this could possibly accomplish as far as restrictions for responsible keepers.

I DO feel, that the keeper was 100% responsible for these preventable deaths.
 
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