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Ethanol
- Thread starter Clay Davenport
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^wrong video^
Before I read this I was like, whaaaa? lol.
Clay Davenport
Cerebral Nomad
I noticed this statement listed as one of the pros of ethanol:
This is true in more ways than they intended to admit I think, and also one of the reasons government promotes ethanol use. The actual increase in tax revenue is far greater than 1.2 million.
We are taxed on gasoline by the gallon. You use more gallons to go a given distance on an ethanol blend than you would regular gasoline. Therefore they collect more excise taxes on an ethanol blend fuel because we have to buy more of it than we so straight gas.
Lets do a little math.
Based on my own gas mileage, it requires 79 gallons of 10% ethanol fuel for me to drive 1000 miles. It takes 68 gallons of ethanol free regular unleaded to drive the same distance.
Based on the NC tax rate on fuel, that's an extra $6 per one thousand miles I drive in taxes if I burn the ethanol fuel. Not a lot in itself, until you extrapolate that figure.
Let's say the average driver puts 10,000 miles per year on his car, a conservative estimate for many people. That's an extra $60 per year per person driving.
NC has 6 million licensed drivers, that's an additional $360 million in fuel taxes for the year.
Granted that math involves a lot of assumptions and is entirely based on my personal vehicle, but the point is still made that whatever the real figure is for the increased tax revenue it is a significant number.
Add to that number the increase in sales tax we pay on our food, that the state also gets. Your sales tax is based on the total price of your purchase. Ethanol is one of the reasons your grocery bill is higher every year, and often from one month to the next. As food prices increase, your total grocery bill is higher, and you pay a higher sales tax on it as well.
The American Coalition for Ethanol probably doesn't want to talk about the REAL amount of increased tax revenue because that is coming directly from us as consumers and does not support their cause.
This is true in more ways than they intended to admit I think, and also one of the reasons government promotes ethanol use. The actual increase in tax revenue is far greater than 1.2 million.
We are taxed on gasoline by the gallon. You use more gallons to go a given distance on an ethanol blend than you would regular gasoline. Therefore they collect more excise taxes on an ethanol blend fuel because we have to buy more of it than we so straight gas.
Lets do a little math.
Based on my own gas mileage, it requires 79 gallons of 10% ethanol fuel for me to drive 1000 miles. It takes 68 gallons of ethanol free regular unleaded to drive the same distance.
Based on the NC tax rate on fuel, that's an extra $6 per one thousand miles I drive in taxes if I burn the ethanol fuel. Not a lot in itself, until you extrapolate that figure.
Let's say the average driver puts 10,000 miles per year on his car, a conservative estimate for many people. That's an extra $60 per year per person driving.
NC has 6 million licensed drivers, that's an additional $360 million in fuel taxes for the year.
Granted that math involves a lot of assumptions and is entirely based on my personal vehicle, but the point is still made that whatever the real figure is for the increased tax revenue it is a significant number.
Add to that number the increase in sales tax we pay on our food, that the state also gets. Your sales tax is based on the total price of your purchase. Ethanol is one of the reasons your grocery bill is higher every year, and often from one month to the next. As food prices increase, your total grocery bill is higher, and you pay a higher sales tax on it as well.
The American Coalition for Ethanol probably doesn't want to talk about the REAL amount of increased tax revenue because that is coming directly from us as consumers and does not support their cause.
Well, I did my part yesterday to help with world hunger. I drove up to the Sunoco station that has non-ethanol 93 octane gasoline and filled up the blue vette's gas tank with it. So I'm using gasoline that isn't taking food out of anyone's mouth because it was used to supplement the gasoline I purchased.
Too early to tell if I will notice any difference, but I did note that driving down my dirt road at 8 mph (yeah, it's kind of bumpy) I didn't have the engine surging that I normally have when driving this slow.
Just wish there were more gas stations available that gave me this option.
Too early to tell if I will notice any difference, but I did note that driving down my dirt road at 8 mph (yeah, it's kind of bumpy) I didn't have the engine surging that I normally have when driving this slow.
Just wish there were more gas stations available that gave me this option.
Clay Davenport
Cerebral Nomad
From what I've gotten from talking with other people is the better your gas mileage to begin with the greater the improvement you see on the ethanol free gas.
My truck only sees 2-2.5 mpg improvement, but I was getting 12.5 mpg on the ethanol. A friend of mine has a Corolla that he got 38-40 at the most but he took an all day drive a week ago and averaged 48 on the non ethanol.
As for availability, we need to get congress to suspend the Renewable Fuel Standard which requires that 9 billion gallons of ethanol be blended with gasoline per year. This number is also required to be increased to 36 billion gallons by 2022. Just imagine the price of corn along with virtually everything else by that time.
My truck only sees 2-2.5 mpg improvement, but I was getting 12.5 mpg on the ethanol. A friend of mine has a Corolla that he got 38-40 at the most but he took an all day drive a week ago and averaged 48 on the non ethanol.
As for availability, we need to get congress to suspend the Renewable Fuel Standard which requires that 9 billion gallons of ethanol be blended with gasoline per year. This number is also required to be increased to 36 billion gallons by 2022. Just imagine the price of corn along with virtually everything else by that time.
This was all discussed and described "publicly"in length back in early 2001
They told people it was coming,its now here . . . . .
They told people it was coming,its now here . . . . .
Maybe if some neutered reporter would grow a set and do an investigation of how many congresscritters are benefitting financially from this ethanol mandate, we would all have the answer to WHY this has been shoved down our throats.
I believe there were some REAL Experts back up this thread,maybe they will make another attempt ?