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You are right, I don't need the money but this is a poor excuse for not paying. Do you check peoples finances to determine whether you pay them?
If you feel I am going to use that $285.00 for immoral purposes, I might.
In my lifetime I spent most my money on liquer and women.................. The rest I just wasted.
The date this was due is March 03 Don't incany interest you can send that to your church.
Lee Watson
 
Whoooaaa!

Slow down there for a second Lee. :NoNo: What does Evan owe you for? Can you back up this claim with emails or any correspondence? If you need the money or not is of no concern to me, however an explanation would be nice......care to share???????
 
Lee Watson called me and told me that he wanted to sell me a "baby" crocodile monitor. I immediately asked him how large it was as so many people call them babies when they are in fact quite large. So I told him that I would take a look at it when I came to his next show the following weekend (I used to be a vendor at many of his shows).

When I got to the show Lee showed me the animal and as I thought the case may be, it was very far from a baby and was in fact a large juvenile. Many months of size difference. Babies sell well and I had a customer for one, as I told Lee, this animal was too large to call a baby many many times over and I would see if he wanted it but did not think he would. I also told Lee that I would not pay nearly as much for the animal as it was not as described. At the time babies were selling for $1000 each, while animals the size of that one were worth half that.

I took the animal and tried to sell it. As I had predicted, it was way too big for anyone that wanted a baby and I had a tough time getting rid of it. I told Lee I wanted to bring it back to him as my buyers did not want it. He told me to keep it and we would figure it out later. I had given him the bulk of his price up front. As I told him when he gave me the animal, again when I could not initially sell it and then again when I called him a few weeks later, I needed to pay the juvenile price for the juvenile and not the baby price. Before it had been "we will figure it out", now it was "you owe me money". The animal sat at my house for 2 years. I finally gave it to my friend Tony in Detroit in trade, for a loss. Anyway, I talked to Lee on the phone quite often and informed him that we had a couple problems.

1) While he was telling me it was ok and "we will figure it out" I was getting piles of calls and emails from people I knew telling me that Lee was running around behind my back, telling people I was a thief, liar, etc., for not paying him the $285 he thought I owed him. That was news to me. When I confronted him with what he had said, he of course said that he just made comments in passing to people about it. Which still was not cool with me. Keep in mind that for many many years I defended Lee and his show on the internet while it was getting blasted for being a filthy barn with a dirt parking lot. For having many vendors with sick and mite covered animals. For having vendors that were convicted drug dealers and poachers. I also bought many cages and animals from Lee over the years and never had a problem.

But Lee talks about everyone behind their backs. He is the only good show promoter if you ask him. Over the years he has gone very far out of his way to bad mouth and blackball other show promoters. Telling me how bad my firends shows were run and that his was much better and he could not figure out why they were still in business.

2) Lee vouched for a regular of his named John Urban, who had bought a couple animals from me. While I was still doing his show, with Lee's approval I gave John a reticulated python on credit that he still owes me $800 for to this day. When he came back to Lee's shows and did not pay me for it, Lee told me he would help me collect it. Until I was told by several people there at the show at the time that Lee told John not to give me a cent and that he would just keep it. That was really nice. I won't even go into details about the kid that Lee let steal an albino burm from me and then Lee walked over and told me that the kid had just walked out right past him when I was trying to find the snake. He laughed about it and thought it was really funny. This all took place before the monitor deal and were still problems I wanted resolved.

I stopped doing Lee's shows when the local, state and federal authorites raided Lee's show and found that he was allowing vendors to break piles of laws and ordinances at the show. I had to sit there all day and could not sell anything. Then pack up and go home. 9 hours driving and all that work for nothing.

I owe you nothing Lee. You lied to me. You helped people steal from me. You cost me money in lost sales. You have slandered me for years thinking that people would not tell me what you were saying. You are classless and you have lost your show because you arrogantly allowed people to break the laws at your show because you bragged about having enough money and influence in your municipality that you could do what want. Now your show is yet another black eye on this business. Do you still sell venomous animals and native animals out of your house?
 
What's that move wrestlers do when an opponent has hold of them and they turn around and flip the guy on his back? I think I just saw the BOI version of it here.
 
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bbbxcursion said:
Damn!!! His show was nasty, I am glad it was shut down.....
His show still exist but it is now in Wheaton Illinois.It is "run" by someone else but Lee is still involved.Even i am sorry you have been treated the way you have been treated by Lee.I will vouch for everything mentioned about that Streamwood scum fest to be totally the full truth.Hey Lee do you have any black mambas for sell? Or any endangered reptiles? I can not wait for your come back to all this thats posted here :rolleyes: .I also could care less if you post that you do not like me or give me negative rep points.Do you know why i could care less what you have to say or do? Just like i told you to your face at the last show i attended at Streamwood a couple years back YOU ARE SCUM and you should not be allowed to even think about reptiles :angry: .Just like Even said you think you are a bigshot who has all this money :rolleyes: .When infact i was told you lost everything you owned due to high lawyer bills from the multiple arrests for selling illegal and endangered reptiles out of your home! Thats why your show was moved
 
i dont know lee , but he doesnt sound to good .

i've dealt with evan before and was quite pleased with everything about it .
 
I've never heard a bad thing about Evan. Lee Watson is FULL of bad crap. His 'show' should have been closed a long time ago.
 
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bbbxcursion said:
I've never heard a bad thing about Evan. Lee Watson is FULL of bad crap. His 'show' should have been closed a long time ago.
I totally agree with you here.What caught my eye was whom created this thread and who he was slamming.I have not had the honor yet to deal with Evan directly,although everything i have heard about him was positive remarks.Now Lee everyone in Illinois knows him and his scummy ways :angry: .Cmon Lee post your rebuttal to this before we all fall asleep :rofl:
 
Did you two ever decide on a price for the animal before it swapped hands?
 
Evan,
Did you walk away with the monitor at an agreed upon price, whether it was your intent to resell it, keep it, barbecue it, or drop-kick it though the goalposts of life ? Taking it "on consignment" is one thing, but while it s sounds like you wish that were the arrangement, you indicate it was not. If there were contingencies, what were they ? My interpretation of what you said is that you took it at an agreed upon price, perhaps lamenting it afterwards. If you may have had a pre-arranged deal prior to seeing it, then saw it and was disappointed, did you take it at the earlier deal price, or negotiate a new deal with Lee then and there, which would have been the prudent approach? IMO, all the other stuff about talking behind backs, shows, etc, is unfortunate, but it doesn't change the price. Enlighten us all without the fluff if possible.
 
Evan, Evan, Evan.

You have completely missed your calling in life. I truely feel sorry for you that you have to make up stories to avoid obligations. Have you ever considered printing your fiction? I'm not going to get involved in defending myself against he said she said. Your whole answer starts out as lies, I couldn't have called you cause I purchased the monitor at my show that morning. You came to my table, saw the monitorand said I need that. I told you I had just paid $400 If I didn't get more by the end of the show you could have it for that. By the way I don't sell venomous or indiginous out of my home, Although I am Licensed with Illinois and APHIS to do so. I think the last venomous I sold was the 3 Albino rattlesnakes You didn't pay me for cause they died 30 to 90 days later. Because of my not getting paid for them was the reason I said cash is the word NO credit. When you went to my table and handed my wife $115 and told her that was our agreement you were stealing. When I got back to my table I was furious and ran outside . You were gone.

By the way my show was shut down for emminate domaine. And then the best offer I could get was $200,000 per acre. That figures I got a million dollars just for my mud parking lot. I ran 24 shows a year with an average of
960 people thru the door. We averaged 1 DNR raid every 15 years with 16 misdemener tickets. These are facts not fiction like deadbeats would have you believe.

Lee Watson
 
When I took the animal I told Lee it was not as described and not worth as much as he wanted. He told me he would give me a better price but to see if I could sell it to my customer and that "we would figure it out later". After having dealt with the man so often for so many years I thought he would keep his word to me. It was not until almost a year after I took the animal that I found out what he thought the deal was and what he was saying behind my back. I did not even know he thought that I owed him money or that he was unhappy with the deal as he never said a word to me even when I called him at his house to talk to him. The money he thinks I owe him should have been the price reduction on the animal not being as it was described to me prior to my picking it up. I understand completely what you guys are saying but you have to understand that Lee is one of those good old boys who says vague things and sometimes there are misunderstandings. All that being equal, if I ever would have paid him the $285 he thinks I owe him to just be done with him for good, which I was going to do, once I learned that he set up one of his buddies to rip me off for $800, that was never going to happen.
 
Lee, you sold Evan three snakes that he never paid you for then turned around and sold him a monitor? :NoNo:

Evan, why punish Lee for someone elses wrong doing to you? Unless there is undeniable proof that Lee set you up to be ripped off, he can not be blamed for a bad deal between you and someone else.
 
Even, as much as hate to say it Michael and Jim are right. Regardless of what is going on else where, if you agreed on a set price on this deal, then the burden is on your shoulders. My advice would be to give him his said dollars and wash your hands of him. :eek: He does not sound like the type that needs to worry about my business, or many others. :thumbsup:

As the old saying goes: Every dog has his day. :yesnod:

You are good guy in our book, that is what matters. You will make this up and then some in the future. :thumbsup:

He will only loose much more in time.
 
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