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shrap said:
Same thing only different. It was the same species, same mistake. Splitting hairs. You get my point.

Hugs and Kisses,

Sammy
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While I do get your point I think you missed mine. IF an employee is putting up pictures then it is possible this employee simply does not know the difference or thinks that he/she knows better than Ken does.

That's why we need to hear from Ken.
 
Even if it was an employee Ken is ultimately responsible. It is his name the animals are selling under. You can never blame your employees because you are responsible for your employees.
 
shrap said:
Even if it was an employee Ken is ultimately responsible. It is his name the animals are selling under. You can never blame your employees because you are responsible for your employees.
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Oh, of course. I'm not trying to mitigate Ken's blame, it's 100% his fault. I'm just trying to figure out how it happened.

Bobby, if that is what you thought, that I was saying Ken wasn't responsible, no, that was not what I meant. I meant that he, himself personally, may not have made the mistake.

While he's responsible, he may not be guilty.
 
jsrocket said:
Well, no. First of all, it was not the same animal. Second of all, I don't have a problem with someone making a mistake. What I do have a problem with, is how the mistake was handled.
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What part didnt you like? The part where he pulled the ads in question? Was he then supposed to come here and personally kiss the worlds ass for there being a mistake on an ad or two?

Granted he was a jerk in the emails on the first tegu situation. I agree it was uncalled for, but I do believe he apologized for it.

I aint here to make excuses for the man, I dont even know him. I went looking for more misrepresented ads and could not find any. Which made me realize that 2 mistakes out of 400 is an isolated incident, not a pattern of behavior. Which is all I wanted to share here. The facts I found.

jsrocket said:
Are we reading the same thread?
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And you know where you can park your poor attempt at an insult dont you? If not I can give you directions.
 
shrap said:
Sorry I forgot this point as well....

For having that many ads I have not seen anyone come forward saying they got the wrong animal shipped to them. Or any other complaint about Ken for that matter. If he was selling misrepresented animals I think we would have heard about it by now with all of the animals he sells.
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Of course you you haven't. Duh, he sold them to people who don't know the difference.

Rock on, mon amis.
 
Wilomn said:
While he's responsible, he may not be guilty.
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I dont even think it is a matter of guilt Wes. 2 errors out of 400 ads.... it is a matter of being human. No one is perfect.
 
Hey guys, I am not saying Ken is a scammer, I am saying, if has to many ads to keep up with, then maybe he should cut back on them to where he can keep up with what he is selling.

IMO, it matters little if he has one ad, or 1000 ads, he needs to make sure of what he is selling. When a buyer buys that one animal that is misrepresented, it will matter little to them how many other ads Ken has.

IMO, I would not buy from him based on his actions here. His answers to the emails, as well as his way of handling the problem and the way he placed the blame on his help. It matters little who it was that screwed it all up, it is still his name, his workers, his business and he is the one collecting the profits.JMHO
 
Wilomn said:
Oh, of course. I'm not trying to mitigate Ken's blame, it's 100% his fault. I'm just trying to figure out how it happened.

Bobby, if that is what you thought, that I was saying Ken wasn't responsible, no, that was not what I meant. I meant that he, himself personally, may not have made the mistake.

While he's responsible, he may not be guilty.
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OK, I'm officially ready to puke now. That is exactly what you said. You said Ken was not responsible, bla bla , backpedaled a bit, yadda yadda.

I am reminded of Nero.
 
varnyard said:
Hey guys, I am not saying Ken is a scammer, I am saying, if has to many ads to keep up with, then maybe he should cut back on them to where he can keep up with what he is selling.

IMO, it matters little if he has one ad, or 1000 ads, he needs to make sure of what he is selling. When a buyer buys that one animal that is misrepresented, it will matter little to them how many other ads Ken has.

IMO, I would not buy from him based on his actions here. His answers to the emails, as well as his way of handling the problem and the way he placed the blame on his help. It matters little who it was that screwed it all up, it is still his name, his workers, his business and he is the one collecting the profits.JMHO
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On point, Bobby.
 
jsrocket said:
OK, I'm officially ready to puke now. That is exactly what you said. You said Ken was not responsible, bla bla , backpedaled a bit, yadda yadda.

I am reminded of Nero.
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Have another drink, find another girl.

I am trying to clarify and apparently not doing it well.

No wait, since it's ONLY you, a dimwit if ever there was one, who cannot seem to comprehend, I'm going to just let it go.
 
Wilomn said:
Have another drink, find another girl.

I am trying to clarify and apparently not doing it well.

No wait, since it's ONLY you, a dimwit if ever there was one, who cannot seem to comprehend, I'm going to just let it go.
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Yea, OK wes, whatever you say. When facts betray you, run away like a small child.
 
I know I've not really posted here before, but I do want to add something else to this thread. I just found another of his ads that disturbed me. He is selling three "proven male" crested geckos and posted pictures of the three. The first two look great, but the third looks like it's been bitten repeatedly in the head and has shed skin all over it.

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I emailed him tonight about it and he replied with, "I assume you mean the crested gecko that was in the middle of a shed when we took the photo. I can assure you that it was just a messy shed. There are no bites, no wounds, and no health problems with the animal with the exception of going through a shed while being shipped to us. Frankly, shedding in a box being kicked around by drivers and pickers for 24 hours would mess up my shed too. Once again, I assure you that the gecko is perfect, and after a good soak it looks just fabulous."

Now I don't believe a word about it being just fine... because there are obviously issues on its head. But what makes it worse is that he says it was just shipped, but then says in the ad that they are "all proven and breeding now." Obviously this isn't the situation if it was just shipped to him.

And why would you post a picture like that and not expect someone to question it? Honestly, I wouldn't buy from him after one email from the guy. Even if he's posting 400 ads, it is his responsibility to post in a way that is representative to the animal.
 
hhmoore said:
Does a proven breeder become less proven, once it is shipped?
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Nope, it sure dont.

But it sure sounds bad that he just received the animals and is immediately breeding them without any thought to quarantine. Dont you think?
 
I don't know the circumstances - for all I know, he took in a few groups in trade & kept them housed accordingly...saw breeding activity & decided to hold onto the females.
It's no secret than Ken deals with a lot of animals, and I know a lot of people that turn over animals pretty quickly (or try to). I have seen several members here take animals in one week and have them advertised the next.
 
Wow... was any of that supposed to be relevant to anything?
 
I figured you out.... that is enough.
 
My whole thought is why the heck would be post an animal that looked like that and not expect someone to ask? And if it looked so much better after a soak, why wouldn't you wait and post that picture? Then go and like that it was shedding in the box on the way there. Sorry, I've gotten shedding animals before and none of them looked like that. It looks like he was bitten in the head. It bothers me that someone hoping to have a good reputation would post a picture like that, then go and lie about it and the ad. Sorry if he says he doesn't take all the pictures; again, it comes down to taking responsibility for the ads your store posts.

Any good breeders and sellers I've worked with wouldn't take pictures of animals in shed and expect to get $100 for them, especially when they look damaged.

To go back to the breeding, it's not that they can't be proven, but he says they're doing it now and tells me that he just got shipped there. Well it's one or the other.
 
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