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Experience with KINGSNAKE Website

When I first stumbled upon KS 6-7 yrs ago, I came across caresheets. It was another couple of years before I realized (or remembered) that they have forums and classifieds. I never joined their forums because the format is just too darn confusing. At one point, I had some snakes to sell and contemplated joining and posting ads. I never did and after reading all this, I'm glad I did not.

I agree....there's a few other sites that have potential to take away its title for top herp selling venue; Reptster, ReptileGeeks, and of course, here at FaunaClassifieds. The right people just need to make the changes.
 
Junkyard said:
As I type this, there are over 1,300 people on Fauna right now. Posting in the forums is not happening. It is people being active that is missing here. Back when I first joined, Fauna was extremely active in all the forums and each had an interaction that KS drooled over. Post after post sharing info, photos, and BSing with each other, Fauna was hopping, the discussion forums were on the move. At the time, we had an average of 150-300 people online. When a big scumbag was being called out, you would see 500 people online at a given time all reading the BOI.

There is more traffic today then there was a couple of years ago. The difference is that there are less people posting today then there was back then. To much of a rift and infighting occurred, as a result, people seem to be afraid to post on Fauna.

Forget about the traffic, we need the interaction. We have over 1,300 people online and they are not participating in the discussion forums, they are just onlooking wannabes.

I am calling all of you out right now!
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I have seen lots of comments on other sites from people that believe that they will be jumped on by people that are just lurking to jump on somebody if they post on fauna. Many others consider it an on line version of the Jerry Springer show and somewhere that they don't care to be associated with. There is much to offer on fauna and if an effort was made by the people that participate here to help bring others here it would go a long way in my opinion to raise the level of participation that has been waning for various reasons.
 
dsirkle said:
I have seen lots of comments on other sites from people that believe that they will be jumped on by people that are just lurking to jump on somebody if they post on fauna. Many others consider it an on line version of the Jerry Springer show and somewhere that they don't care to be associated with. There is much to offer on fauna and if an effort was made by the people that participate here to help bring others here it would go a long way in my opinion to raise the level of participation that has been waning for various reasons.
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Also when I look at "Who's online" I see many of those same people reading but never posting.
 
dsirkle said:
I have seen lots of comments on other sites from people that believe that they will be jumped on by people that are just lurking to jump on somebody if they post on fauna.
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Do you have any links to "lots" of those comments? I don't travel much outside of fauna forums, so any links you could provide would be terrific. I'd really like to see just who is doing all the whining and crying about being "jumped on fauna". Maybe I can jump them on that site and they wont feel safe anywhere and figure they may as well just stick around here.
 
Dale, I see comments from time to time complaining about Fauna(BOI) as you said but it's not "lots". It really only takes a few comments to stick in someones mind. You know what I do see lots of; when someone starts complaining about a bad transaction on another site the chorus always is "take it to the BOI".
If there are some that are too intimidated to post on the BOI then they probably wouldn't have been able to prove their case anyway. I am not too worried that scammers are getting off though because if someone gets really screwed they'll summon the courage to post.
 
kmurphy said:
Dale, I see comments from time to time complaining about Fauna(BOI) as you said but it's not "lots". It really only takes a few comments to stick in someones mind. You know what I do see lots of; when someone starts complaining about a bad transaction on another site the chorus always is "take it to the BOI".
If there are some that are too intimidated to post on the BOI then they probably wouldn't have been able to prove their case anyway. I am not too worried that scammers are getting off though because if someone gets really screwed they'll summon the courage to post.
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Absolutely agree.
 
critical bill said:
Do you have any links to "lots" of those comments? I don't travel much outside of fauna forums, so any links you could provide would be terrific. I'd really like to see just who is doing all the whining and crying about being "jumped on fauna". Maybe I can jump them on that site and they wont feel safe anywhere and figure they may as well just stick around here.
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It would serve no purpose to put forth the effort to do that.
 
kmurphy said:
Dale, I see comments from time to time complaining about Fauna(BOI) as you said but it's not "lots". It really only takes a few comments to stick in someones mind. You know what I do see lots of; when someone starts complaining about a bad transaction on another site the chorus always is "take it to the BOI".
If there are some that are too intimidated to post on the BOI then they probably wouldn't have been able to prove their case anyway. I am not too worried that scammers are getting off though because if someone gets really screwed they'll summon the courage to post.
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I've seen lots of such comments. Also the BOI is the place where people are told to bring their transactions that go bad as well. I made these comments in response to a "challenge post" not about the BOI but about the other forums on this site. I have seen posts by WebSlave lamenting the serious drop in traffic on the site also. You can insist that their are no problems and treat anyone that says that there are problems as a blasphemer much as the politicians that run the City of Detroit do, or you can acknowledge existing problems and try to constructively improve things.
 
dsirkle said:
It would serve no purpose to put forth the effort to do that.
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Oh, so I guess you really didn't mean it when you said.....

"There is much to offer on fauna and if an effort was made by the people that participate here to help bring others here it would go a long way in my opinion to raise the level of participation that has been waning for various reasons."

You were just giving some good advice, right? That's nice....thanks so much. I'll just file that advice under G for garbage.
 
critical bill said:
Do you have any links to "lots" of those comments? I don't travel much outside of fauna forums, so any links you could provide would be terrific. I'd really like to see just who is doing all the whining and crying about being "jumped on fauna". Maybe I can jump them on that site and they wont feel safe anywhere and figure they may as well just stick around here.
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I was jumped recently ;) Where can I go whine at??? The big oak tree hurt my feelings it promised me a metal I never received :ack2:
 
critical bill said:
Oh, so I guess you really didn't mean it when you said.....

"There is much to offer on fauna and if an effort was made by the people that participate here to help bring others here it would go a long way in my opinion to raise the level of participation that has been waning for various reasons."

You were just giving some good advice, right? That's nice....thanks so much. I'll just file that advice under G for garbage.
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No I wasn't giving advice. I was giving an opinion. And when I choose to dance I also choose the tune.
 
I don't get being intimidated by on-line forums... it a computer screen. But some folks treat it as equal to public speaking. No one can insult you without your own permission. No matter where you go you'll meet all kinds & you may not like all the folks... it's a wee-little thing called life. Most stuff you'd come across online is about as harmless as it gets.

This can be a good site & useful tool if it's used... just have to want the benefits of it bad enough to use it, is all.
 
critical bill said:
Oh, so I guess you really didn't mean it when you said.....

"There is much to offer on fauna and if an effort was made by the people that participate here to help bring others here it would go a long way in my opinion to raise the level of participation that has been waning for various reasons."

You were just giving some good advice, right? That's nice....thanks so much. I'll just file that advice under G for garbage.
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Why should he have to post any links when you just proved his point?
 
NorthernRegius.com said:
I don't get being intimidated by on-line forums... it a computer screen. But some folks treat it as equal to public speaking. No one can insult you without your own permission. No matter where you go you'll meet all kinds & you may not like all the folks... it's a wee-little thing called life. Most stuff you'd come across online is about as harmless as it gets.

This can be a good site & useful tool if it's used... just have to want the benefits of it bad enough to use it, is all.
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Deb,

From my perspective, some people just prefer not to have to deal with negativity, even on screen. It still gets in your mind and can affect how one feels about the whole fauna/KS/Internet/forum environment.
 
jglass38 said:
Why should he have to post any links when you just proved his point?
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Oh boo hoo. I didn't say anything that could be remotely construed as "jumping him". You've been around long enough to have witnessed me jumping someone. I was asked to chill out and I have. Dale stated some things as a fact - comments he's seen about fauna with his own two eyes on other sites. I asked for those links to see it firsthand for myself and I was rejected. I don't have a problem with rejection - especially when I know its just a bunch of crap to begin with - people talking just to hear themselves talk. Never accepting the real challenge that to see a difference you have to make a difference.

Well...give me the links to those sites - to those who think people are laying in wait to jump them on fauna. I'll visit those sites and confront those folks and see if I can make a change in their opinion.

That's how you make a :censored: change. Everything else is just listening to peoples BS belly aching around here.
 
deborahbroadus said:
Deb,

From my perspective, some people just prefer not to have to deal with negativity, even on screen. It still gets in your mind and can affect how one feels about the whole fauna/KS/Internet/forum environment.
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Deb, I understand what you are saying. But it still is a choice. If they feel that it's best NOT to post, to lose a valuable tool for their business because they might encounter some negativity... then I guess they've stayed true to their priorities. For what is important to me, I refuse to let it stand in my way. IMHO life is about overcoming obstacles.

For me the perceived risk for posting here is a little thing- the benefit outweighs the "cost". Many of us have risked to make this hobby into something... how sad to let intimidation stop you. I respect the choice, but I don't get it.
 
True Deb,

I totally agree. But when it involves human nature and how business runs..it's simple math that if enough people don't want to deal with negativity then the business doesn't prosper or stagnates instead of improving and growing. And the goal is actually how to make Fauna a viable competitor to KS? (as I see it)

So the choice that the "members that don't participate" make because they don't want to deal with negativity..actually does affect Fauna also. The members will find other avenues to accomplish what they want without having to deal with negativity.
 
deborahbroadus said:
The members will find other avenues to accomplish what they want without having to deal with negativity.
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I hope they do find things that work for them & I use other venues too... in addition to here.

I've met some very good breeders that have little to no on-line presence at all, but I wouldn't want to narrow my contacts that way. To each their own.
 
Sorry gang, but this thread is going WAY off topic.

If you all wish to discuss the past, present, or future of FaunaClassifieds, then please note that there is a Feedback forum on this site which would be better used for this purpose. If you wish to discuss other sites, then please create a new thread about that site for that purpose.
 
Hi.
Twice I have bought a one month membership at KS.
Both times it resulted in selling what I had to sell, often when it had gone unsold through other venues.

I've not had advertisements pulled so I can not speak to that, but I do understand exactly why they do not want other breeders names mentioned in an advertisement.

They seem to make exceptions for established lines - such as "Abbott Okeekee" or "Lemke line Axanthic" but those are well established lines.

I don't agree with all their decisions on how they run that place but then again, I also do not agree with every decision Rich makes in how he runs this place. Differences of opinion are valuable.

Right now they are the defacto place to advertise if you want something sold, I do want to see other places increase in popularity but I do not want to see KS fail - I want several options to choose from when deciding where to list something.

Anyway - that's my two cents. It's fair to disagree with the TOS but if an add is pulled for a TOS violation, then it was fairly pulled.
 
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